Car Seats on Air Flights

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My sister is flying for the first time with her two children. Someone told her that airlines are requiring car seats. She will be flying Southwest and was going to bring the car seats but check them so they could be used when we pick her up at the airport. Anyone know if they are required? Her children are 2 and 4. If they aren't required, do you have to put them in a bag of somekind inorder to check them as baggage?

Thanks!
 
Carseats are not required on any us carrier but they are recomended by the AAP, FAA and most major carriers for children up to 40lbs.

If it were me I would use one for the 2yo on the flight but the 4yo should be fine in the seatbelt. If she does decide to use one, have her check the back for a sticker indicating it is approved for use on aircraft. Only seats with an integrated harness that have the sticker will be allowed.

As far as transporting the seats to be used on arrival she can check them through as luggage or gate check them. I have done both and if you pack them properly I prefer checking them through. Just get a good quality car seat bag (sold at toys r us et al) or other bag to store them in and tag them with the other checked bags.

TJ
 
I agree with tjmw. I would put the 2yr in the car seat and use the seat belt for the 4 yr. I have flown with my DD a few times. The first when she was 2 we used her car seat (most name brand seats are FAA certified). When DD was almost 4 we did not use the car seat. Warn her that it is very difficult to put in and must be put by the window.

As for the car seat bag, I have no suggestions. I do know Toys R Us sell them online.
 
Is that true for all airlines? I hadn't heard that one. I'll be traveling with a 1 and 4 yr. old and I was going to put myself in the middle with the car seat on the aisle and my 4 yr old at the window.

Can this be done?

Thanks,
Linda
 

If she is flying alone with 2 kids she may not want to take the seat on the plane. It is very hard to manuaver 2 kids and a car seat alone in the airport and people can not help you to the gate anymore. I only took our seat once and it was so hard to carry everything onto the plane alone I have never done it again. The flight attend. will not help you -you may find a rare one who will but most will watch you struggle. SW was the only helpful group.
I have since always checked the seats in a bag and the kids did fine from 6wks up . Personal choice but it is very difficult alone . I have in a pinch just used a big heavy trash bag it is mostly to keep them clean and dry.
 
WDWLinda said:
Is that true for all airlines? I hadn't heard that one. I'll be traveling with a 1 and 4 yr. old and I was going to put myself in the middle with the car seat on the aisle and my 4 yr old at the window.

Can this be done?

Thanks,
Linda
No. The carseat cannot be between any passengers and the aisle. It has to go in the windowseat.
 
Thank you for all your replies. She is traveling alone so I was also worried about her hanging onto the kids, the car seat and all other needed items. I will pass along the information and let her make up her own mind.
 
I know about the car seat having to be in the window seat but a question just popped up for me... what would an adult flying on their own with two children in car seats do? Surely they would not make the adult put one of their children in a window seat next to strangers somewhere else on the plane, would they?
 
My suggestion - if she is gate checking a stroller, she could put the car seat on the stroller and go through airport. It could work if she had a double stroller and let the 4 yr old walk and keep the 2 yr old in stroller also.

I know that it might be a hassle, but I would prefer to have my child in their car seat than just the regular seat. It would probably be more comfortable for the 2 yr old also. If it were me, I'd find a way to do it. Maybe she could get an escort to the gate. I know that there are older people who are not handicapped but because it is a long walk can't handle it that do get the ride to the gate. Maybe call the airline and see what the options are.
 
Hannathy said:
If she is flying alone with 2 kids she may not want to take the seat on the plane. It is very hard to manuaver 2 kids and a car seat alone in the airport and people can not help you to the gate anymore. I only took our seat once and it was so hard to carry everything onto the plane alone I have never done it again. The flight attend. will not help you -you may find a rare one who will but most will watch you struggle. SW was the only helpful group.
I have since always checked the seats in a bag and the kids did fine from 6wks up . Personal choice but it is very difficult alone . I have in a pinch just used a big heavy trash bag it is mostly to keep them clean and dry.


ITA! The car seat nazis are always pushing, pushing for you to take the seats on the plane without any regard to the reality of your situation (i.e. traveling alone with one or more small children....)

I had to travel with DS, who had just turned 3, by myself. Between lugging the car seat and stroller and diapers and juice, etc., then making sure he didn't wander if, it was HIGHLY stressful.

And nobody helped me...but I got lots of nasty looks from the passengers lugging the car seat, back pack and purse on the plane, all the while trying to wrangle my son, too.

Tell her to do what she feels comfortable with. It also depends on the temperment of the children...will they stay with you, or do you have a runner?
 
jodifla said:
ITA! The car seat nazis are always pushing, pushing for you to take the seats on the plane without any regard to the reality of your situation (i.e. traveling alone with one or more small children....)
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I wouldn't consider myself a "car seat nazi" (couldn't find a marching smiley face - darn) but thanks for the generalized label anyway. Nobody is discounting the situation, but at least I did try to offer some suggestions to help find a resolution.

Also, OP whenever I have checked a seat (because we check ds's booster seater) we never use a bag - just use the oldest of our 2 booster seats. Never had a problem.
 
I know about the car seat having to be in the window seat but a question just popped up for me... what would an adult flying on their own with two children in car seats do? Surely they would not make the adult put one of their children in a window seat next to strangers somewhere else on the plane, would they?

If you have one adult and two carseats, you may place the carseats next to one another, with the larger at the window and the smaller in the center, if they are different sizes. (FYI: Delta FA's have been known to allow people in this situation to sit between the carseats, though technically that violates the rule of not placing the carseat where it "may impede egress.")

There is a real exception to the window seat rule, *if* you are traveling on a widebody with two aisles. In that situation, a carseat may be placed in a center seat of the center section. (With two aisles, you are directed to evacuate via the one closest to you, so no one would need to climb over the seat to get out.)

Another important rule about placement: Carseats may not be placed within one row's distance of the emergency exit. This means that they may not be placed in the row directly in front of, or the row directly behind, the exit row. If seats are pre-assigned in either of those rows, call and try to get them changed before the flight.

Also, regarding getting to the gate: Yes, you *can* have someone you know accompany you if you really need help. Airlines are allowed to issue gate passes for non-flyers who are needed to provide special assistance. The helper goes with you to the counter, shows ID, and asks, and if you clearly have too much to handle on your own, you can usually get a gate pass for the helper. However, I really don't recommend this if you are not being met at your destination, because you have to get off, too, and it is best to limit yourself to what you can handle without help, if that is possible.

The key to dealing with kid paraphenalia in airports is to have the right gear and use it efficiently. Invest in equipment that is meant for travel. Kids who can walk should wear their own toy backpack, and the diaper back should be on your back, with a spare change of clothes and your purse essentials in it. No other carryon bags. If you are using a backpack carseat satchel, put your diaper pack in it until you get to the gate. I've found that while airline employees are not allowed to secure the carseat(s) for you, if asked, gate agents can usually arrange to have someone take the seats onto the plane and set them down in your seats, so that you don't have to maneuver them onto the plane. (SWA will often have someone available who can help you preboard, at least to the point of carrying the carseats for you.)

None of this is going to happen if you don't ask, but don't demand it, either: attitude is everything. I've always had success when I ask nicely and make it clear that I am asking in order to make boarding go more smoothly. (On an flight that has 1st class seats, it usually doesn't hurt to mention that you are concerned about accidentally hitting seated passengers as you try to board with those unwieldy carseats.)

BTW, I'm not a nazi about anything; as long as whatever you wish to do is legal, then feel free to do it; they are your kids. I personally found that keeping squirmers in their carseats was easier on me during flight, and since carseat use is recommended by aviation authorities and guaranteed if the seat is approved, I chose to always use them (and always was pretty often, as I fly a lot.) To me, the logistics of transporting the seat did not outweigh the advantage of using it on board. Once I got the hang of tricks to make transporting seats easier, it ceased to be an issue in my mind. I also insist on gate-checking older childrens' carseats to be absolutely sure that they arrive when I do, which again, is my choice.

(Edited to correct an unclear sentence.)
 
The airports will not give you an escort (ride the cart) unless you are a Senior citizen or disabled or have a medical reason. I forgot to mentioned if she has a connection she would have to walk (run usually) with the carseat then also, and keeping two preschoolers with her. I have used one of the airport carts you rent for 2.00 if one happened to be close but they aren't always near.

I would definitely put the seat in at least a plastic bag because the few times we didn't it came back very dirty and wet one time. Rarely an airline will have a big clear one if you forget. Regional airports are better at this.

I agree that the pro carseaters are very aggressive in their oppinions and I don't believe my child was more comfortable in their seat. I do know from experience it is very miserable to do by yourself.
 
Notursula I am not trying to argue with you but I am amazed you have recieved this service, on what airlines? I have flown all the biggies with kids and have had flight attendents stand and watch me struggle (one memorable one on united) They have told me no in various ways we can't leave the door, do the best you can, And I have asked nice and was then a member of United's premium class.
I am very glad you got help but I would never tell someone to count on it because you are the first person I have ever heard (friends, family, myself) getting this help.
 
NotUrsula said:
The key to dealing with kid paraphenalia in airports is to have the right gear and use it efficiently. Invest in equipment that is meant for travel. Kids who can walk should wear their own toy backpack, and the diaper back should be on your back, with a spare change of clothes and your purse essentials in it. No other carryon bags.



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The trouble with this theory is leaving a 4 year old responsible for a bunch of potentially expensive/favorite toys, all while walking through the hustle and bustle of an aiport with all it's distractions.
 
jodifla said:
ITA! The car seat nazis are always pushing, pushing for you to take the seats on the plane without any regard to the reality of your situation (i.e. traveling alone with one or more small children....)

I had to travel with DS, who had just turned 3, by myself. Between lugging the car seat and stroller and diapers and juice, etc., then making sure he didn't wander if, it was HIGHLY stressful.

And nobody helped me...but I got lots of nasty looks from the passengers lugging the car seat, back pack and purse on the plane, all the while trying to wrangle my son, too.

Tell her to do what she feels comfortable with. It also depends on the temperment of the children...will they stay with you, or do you have a runner?

Not one person on this thread "pushed anyone" to do anything. In fact I stated that carseats were not required :confused3

Having traveled as the solo adult with my dd's when they were using carseats I know its difficult but I know it can be done.

Its up to the OP or in this case the OP's friend to make the decision. All I have seen here is advice. I have seen ideas as to how to make it work if she decides to bring the carseat as well as the fact that she isn't required to bring it at all.

I really don't understand the car seat Nazi comment and I don't think it was necessary or productive to the thread.

TJ
 
We will be taking our first airplane ride with our 3 and 5 year olds. Both will be at or over 40lbs. The 3yr old (2&1/2 now) is busy.
 
Of course the FA's cannot leave the door; I never suggested asking them, and I apologize if that was not clear. You ask the gate agent, as soon as the plane is parked at the gate and unloaded, and always well before boarding begins. 4 times out of 5 the g.a. can, at her discretion, ask one of the folks who are servicing the aircraft to carry the seats to the plane and drop them in the seat. I've had a few refuse, but most of them will do it, as long as I make it perfectly clear that I don't expect them to install the seats, which they are almost always forbidden to do for liability reasons. On SWA it is harder since you don't have a seat assignment, but someone working the jetway will often help out if you are moving slowly. It probably helps that I have everything very organized, and I don't dither in any way, so they seem to size me up and decide to trust me to not cause unnecessary delays. I don't depend on anyone to volunteer to help me; if I want help I ask for it, and I *always* make it a point to phrase the request so that the advantage to the airline is clear.

I'll agree that no one should DEPEND on being helped by airline personnel -- as I said previously, I always recommend limiting yourself to what you can handle unaided. However, getting down the jetway is always the hardest part, and the point where you have the most potential to inconvenience others, so if you can get help with that, I suggest doing it. My overall point was that with the right equipment and careful planning, most people really can handle what at first glance may look nearly impossible.

As for the 4 yr.old carrying his own toys, we have always done it with complete success starting no later than age 3. Our rule is that if you want to bring it, you are responsible for carrying it. DH & I both do this, and we're strict about when and under what circumstances kids are allowed to take out said toys. We don't do gameboys or DVD players. If a child is too small or unreliable to keep a hand on the baby's stroller and walk with you, then put him IN the stroller or put him on reins. Kids who travel with me know that if they disobey in an airport (or in a train station, or on a ferry, etc.), the consequences are going to be VERY unpleasant, much more so than if we were at home. I'm a drill sergeant when traveling.
 
Hannathy said:
The airports will not give you an escort (ride the cart) unless you are a Senior citizen or disabled or have a medical reason. I forgot to mentioned if she has a connection she would have to walk (run usually) with the carseat then also, and keeping two preschoolers with her. I have used one of the airport carts you rent for 2.00 if one happened to be close but they aren't always near.

I would definitely put the seat in at least a plastic bag because the few times we didn't it came back very dirty and wet one time. Rarely an airline will have a big clear one if you forget. Regional airports are better at this.

I agree that the pro carseaters are very aggressive in their oppinions and I don't believe my child was more comfortable in their seat. I do know from experience it is very miserable to do by yourself.

My experience with the escort ride is different. I had to make a connection in DFW when the first flight was slightly delayed. My dd's would definately not have been able to walk fast enough. I simply told the FA on the flight my dilemma and she arranged for me to have help from gate to gate.

FWIW I don't feel my comments are aggressive. I am simply giving my experience and hopefully some helpful hints. Being called names like aggressive and Nazi isn't going to stop me when I feel I have something of value to add to a thread.

TJ
 
agoofylover said:
We will be taking our first airplane ride with our 3 and 5 year olds. Both will be at or over 40lbs. The 3yr old (2&1/2 now) is busy.


No booster seats on planes, unless you are still using the 5 point harness. Booster seats rely on shoulder belts, which airplanes don't have.
 






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