Canon - full frame or cropped?

[mom2rtk]

Personally I can't wait to get my 6D on some dark rides this weekend! My last trip was with my 50D and while I got some great shots, I'm excited to shoot with a useable ISO 12800.

That makes me very jealous. Have fun with it!

 

[SkaGoat]

You're making a lot of comparisons there but not the one that everyone seems to overlook. Compare the 6D to the 5DII, a camera many professionals still use, and you'll find it's equal or better spec'd in every area save one (sync speed). And the 6D does have the best ISO performance of any Canon on the market right now.

If we leave out the mostly plastic body, 5D is magnesium, 6D is half plastic. (not a big deal to me, but it may be to some people)

The 5DIII was a huge jump from the 5DII, both in features and price, and the 6D was released to fill that lower price point. Having used all of the cameras you mentioned I'll also strongly disagree that the 70D is basically a 7D with a new processor. It's not even close on some levels to the 7D. And the 6D and the 7D are two entirely different cameras that fill different needs... I could go on.

I own a 7D, and have used a 70D, they are very similar, 7D is heavier, has a bigger, brighter viewfinder, faster and tougher. But the 70D has the same AF system, a better sensor, SD Card slot, WiFi, plastic body and a touch swivel screen. They are very similar.

It just shows how highly subjective this all is. Buying a camera shouldn't be about is it full frame, crop or what anyone else thinks of it. It should be about what camera has the features and performance YOU need.

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I completely agree with you, I was only commenting on the fact he was waiting for a 6D with 5DmkIII specs, still don't think it'll happen. I could see them moving to the 19-point AF system in the 7D, and 70D, but not the 61-points in the 5D. And it'll always be around 5 fps.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I believe if you'll look back at my post, and my post over on POTN, you'll see that I want(ed) the feature set of the 70D on the 6Dxx. I didn't say anything about the 5D MkIII as a reference.

There will be a 6Dxx inside 24 months with 90-110% of the feature set of the 70D on a FF sensor. It may not be called a 6D xx, but it will be the next evolution of the 6D.

I don't need the 6D because I don't have to have FF right now, so I can wait it out. Indefinitely if need be. I'm just betting that I won't have to wait that much longer and in the mean time, I'm very pleased with my upgrade to the 70D, which would fine in the hands of 90% of the people that frequent this forum anyway.

I still may buy a 6D. My local dealer got his shipment in today so it's tempting. VERY tempting. What I'm stressing over right now is that glass loses very little value. Cameras lose value quickly. I just have to decide if +-24 months of having a FF is worth what I'll gain (quality-wise) and lose ($-wise) over the period. I think I'm talking myself into riding to Raleigh tomorrow. Gee, thanks a lot.

 

[SkaGoat]

I believe if you'll look back at my post, and my post over on POTN, you'll see that I want(ed) the feature set of the 70D on the 6Dxx. I didn't say anything about the 5D MkIII as a reference.

There will be a 6Dxx inside 24 months with 90-110% of the feature set of the 70D on a FF sensor. It may not be called a 6D xx, but it will be the next evolution of the 6D.

I don't need the 6D because I don't have to have FF right now, so I can wait it out. Indefinitely if need be. I'm just betting that I won't have to wait that much longer and in the mean time, I'm very pleased with my upgrade to the 70D, which would fine in the hands of 90% of the people that frequent this forum anyway.

I still may buy a 6D. My local dealer got his shipment in today so it's tempting. VERY tempting. What I'm stressing over right now is that glass loses very little value. Cameras lose value quickly. I just have to decide if +-24 months of having a FF is worth what I'll gain (quality-wise) and lose ($-wise) over the period. I think I'm talking myself into riding to Raleigh tomorrow. Gee, thanks a lot.

I strive to help others spend their money

I have a 7D, and there are days I wish I had the dynamic range of the 6D, but then there are days I'm happy to have the burst rate, and 19 AF points, and few EV less DR isn't a big deal.

Just depends on the situation.

 

[havoc315]

I totally agree that they seem to look more at niche markets and individual needs rather than putting out products that fall in a linear scale. The single digit designation tells you that they intended the 7D to be an APS-C "pro" camera. The fact that it out specs the 5DII, which was the most popular Canon "pro" camera at the time, speaks to that as well. But because there is this obsession with full frame a lot of pros dismissed the 7D. I think in the same way a lot of people dismiss the 6D. Yes, it is totally set up as the low end full frame in the Canon line and because of that people see it as stripped down and ill equipped. No, I wouldn't use a 6D to shoot wildlife or fast action sports. But at the same time it still has some areas where it excels even more than the 1Dx does. In the end which of the choices is right still all comes down to what you need.

Personally I can't wait to get my 6D on some dark rides this weekend! My last trip was with my 50D and while I got some great shots, I'm excited to shoot with a useable ISO 12800.

Can't wait to see your results, have fun.

I'm a bit jealous of the amount of choices you have as a Canon shooter.

I'm very happy with the Sony a99, but Sony has been reducing their a-mount offerings as they push mirrorless.
If they only offer one full frame at a time--- a lot of Sony shooters want the replacement for the a99 to be 36 mp. I'm at least a couple years from an upgrade regardless, but I really wouldn't want 36mp to be my only option for full frame.
To me, the large file sizes would be a negative.
Just as the 1dx isn't automatically the best Camera for all Canon shooters.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I strive to help others spend their money

I have a 7D, and there are days I wish I had the dynamic range of the 6D, but then there are days I'm happy to have the burst rate, and 19 AF points, and few EV less DR isn't a big deal.

Just depends on the situation.

'Preciate that. My wife tends to think I don't require much help. Go figure that!

 

[photo_chick]

If we leave out the mostly plastic body, 5D is magnesium, 6D is half plastic. (not a big deal to me, but it may be to some people)

The 6D is a lot less plastic than people like to think. Only the top plate is poly, the rest is magnesium alloy. Everything I've read points to the built in wifi being the reason for that particular design choice. If so, as wifi becomes integrated into every new DLSR I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more poly in the bodies.

I own a 7D, and have used a 70D, they are very similar, 7D is heavier, has a bigger, brighter viewfinder, faster and tougher. But the 70D has the same AF system, a better sensor, SD Card slot, WiFi, plastic body and a touch swivel screen. They are very similar.

I've used the 7D extensively and used a 70D a bit, though not as much. There are a number of features the 7D has that the 70D lacks. They're less used features by most photographers but the features that to many set it apart as a more "pro" level camera than the 70D. That doesn't make one or the other better or worse, just different bodies for different needs.

I completely agree with you, I was only commenting on the fact he was waiting for a 6D with 5DmkIII specs, still don't think it'll happen. I could see them moving to the 19-point AF system in the 7D, and 70D, but not the 61-points in the 5D. And it'll always be around 5 fps.

I think you hit why so many knock the 6D. They want it to have the 5DIII specs for the $2K price tag. And that's never, ever going to happen so they bash the cheaper camera as being retched. If the line continues it will not have the AF system updates until after the 5DIII and 1Dx lines see a new AF system. Same with the burst rate, double card slots, etc. Canon has to keep that gap or they'll loose what entices some buyers to go for the higher dollar models.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Thanks for not answering your PM, photo_chick, and talking me down off the wall.

I'm now the owner of a brand new 6D with a 24-105 AND a new 70D and it's all your fault.

Yep. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

PS--> Anybody wanna buy a T2i? The 60D's already gone to its new home.

 

[photo_chick]

Thanks for not answering your PM, photo_chick, and talking me down off the wall.

I'm now the owner of a brand new 6D with a 24-105 AND a new 70D and it's all your fault.

Yep. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

PS--> Anybody wanna buy a T2i?

Did I answer too late? I always miss that notification at the top of the page.

Seriously though, useable ISO 12800 and great center point AF in low light. This is what makes this camera a dark ride shooter's best friend. And if it's any conciliation as soon as I have the cash I'm picking up a 70D so our gear will match! I want a crop body for certain things and it fits the bill. Because one can never have too many toys.

 

[mom2rtk]

Thanks for not answering your PM, photo_chick, and talking me down off the wall.

I'm now the owner of a brand new 6D with a 24-105 AND a new 70D and it's all your fault.

Yep. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

PS--> Anybody wanna buy a T2i? The 60D's already gone to its new home.

Congrats!

 

[boBQuincy]

The 6D is a lot less plastic than people like to think. Only the top plate is poly, the rest is magnesium alloy.

That, and there is a misconception that metal is "better" than plastic and that plastic = cheap. Modern plastics can surpass metal in many ways for some applications, our automobiles (and engines) use a considerable number of plastic parts in applications we would not have thought possible not long ago.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Yea. That was the good news. Now the bad...

Think I'm going to have to slow down for a while though I'm chomping at the bit for some EF glass. That stuff's SPENDY! I'll have to work on that one.

For now, I have a nifty fifty, the 24-105/4 that came with the kit, and the 70-200 IS 2.8 I bought about a month ago (See what I mean about needing to slow down?).

I've got some gaps to fill but it's not a bad start. Gonna have a lot of fun next month at WDW. Can't wait!

 

[havoc315]

Yea. That was the good news. Now the bad...

Think I'm going to have to slow down for a while though I'm chomping at the bit for some EF glass. That stuff's SPENDY! I'll have to work on that one.

For now, I have a nifty fifty, the 24-205/4 that came with the kit, and the 70-200 IS 2.8 I bought about a month ago (See what I mean about needing to slow down?).

I've got some gaps to fill but it's not a bad start. Gonna have a lot of fun next month at WDW. Can't wait!

Sounds like you really have most of your needs met. Truthfully, I wouldn't need half my lenses if I had a 70-200/2.8. (I don't have a 2.8 long zoom.. but I have a 85/2.8 prime, 100/2.8, 135/2.8, 200/2.8 -- I could probably sell those 4 lenses and get a 70-200/2.8).
Sure, you're missing a long zoom --- but the cheapest solution may simply be to eventually buy a 2x tele.
You're missing ultrawide, but 24mm is already pretty wide for most applications.
The only other gap I see, is a macro lens, *if* you shoot macro.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Sounds like you really have most of your needs met. Truthfully, I wouldn't need half my lenses if I had a 70-200/2.8. (I don't have a 2.8 long zoom.. but I have a 85/2.8 prime, 100/2.8, 135/2.8, 200/2.8 -- I could probably sell those 4 lenses and get a 70-200/2.8).
Sure, you're missing a long zoom --- but the cheapest solution may simply be to eventually buy a 2x tele.
You're missing ultrawide, but 24mm is already pretty wide for most applications.
The only other gap I see, is a macro lens, *if* you shoot macro.

I actually got a 2x II in the deal with the 70-200 (it's a gen I and I got a great deal and it's fine for my needs). I just hate giving up 2 stops when using it. It will probably be a lot better on the 6D, and let's face it, most of the affordabel Canon stuff that has long reach gives up 2 stops anyway.

I'll probably buy a 1.4 II soon. As soon as I can run across a good deal on eBay from somebody trustworthy. I hear you can actually stack the gen 2's. that would be interesting.

You're right. I just want something wide but I have an EF-S 10-22 for the 70D so I'm just going to have to be happy with that for now. I could buy primes and macros until I broke the lottery, but to be truthful, if I had a nice wide zoom for the 6D, I would probably calm way down for a while and just enjoy what I have now. I am quite fortunate and I know that.

Fortunately, I have a wife that's very understanding of my addictions. I just bought a Surface 3 last weekend too.

I really need to stop for a while. Technology is my career and unfortunately, it's my vice as well.