Can we talk cars?

[BRERALEX]

speaking of cars.......ya i know i havent heard much about the cars (GCURLINGS BABY!!!!!!!) in a long time and i always liked hearing which car people liked so.....................I was wondering with so manyy new faces and stuff and time has passed, which car are you in

Car # 1. Generally believe that today's business processes are able to produce products that people consider Magic with the same consistency as throughout Disney's past.

Car # 2. Generally believe that today's business processes aren't producing products that people consider Magic with the same consistency as throughout Disney's past, but there is a personal belief that those processes will be changed soon to regain that consistency.

Car # 3. Generally believe that today's business processes aren't producing products that people consider Magic with the same consistency as throughout Disney's past, and there is a personal belief that those processes are unlikely to soon change and regain that consistency.

Car # 4. Generally believe that today's business practices mirror non-Disney practices that never produced consistent Magic, and Six Flags is as likely to produce a product that people consider Magic as is Disney.

i dont like polls i just wanted to get a feel of where everyone was at and where everyone was comming from. how strongly do you feel about your car and well is it running.

i used to be in car number #1 driving blindly till i hit the Dis. then i was in #2 'hey theres always hope' i thought but two years later really im in car #3 more and more leaning to less disney and more cancun.

 

[WDWHound]

I am still in car number 3, as I have been for many years. I must admit that Car number 4 may be a possiblity for me if things don't change in the next 5 years.

 

[Cricket2]

I'm not sure which one I like better:

-or-

 

[space42]

Originally posted by Mr. J. Cricket
I'm not sure which one I like better:

-or-

Cool! But I think we are going to need a bigger car.. make it a stretch.... wait, better make it a super stretch

 

[daannzzz]

Car 3 here. I think they are capapable though it is more difficult in todays business climate. I do think they can still do it. It is a question of bowing to pressure of percentages, the street and profit and all that.

 

[Cricket2]

Originally posted by space42
Cool! But I think we are going to need a bigger car.. make it a stretch.... wait, better make it a super stretch

Ok, but if we are going to go nuts, I'm putting in a pool with a diving board too.

JC

 

[KNWVIKING]

I'm 43 and never gave a rats butt about Walt,DL or WDW. Our 1st trip was in '95 with DW and two DS's. We absolutely loved the place. Went back in 98,still loved it,bought into DVC. Since then we've added onto original contract & bought into VWL and BCV. We go 3-5 times a year, still love it. I guess I'm a car #1.5. WDW has yet to not WOW me. I do notice more CM's who are lacking that Disney magic,but I chock that up more to todays workforce rather then an internal problem at Disney.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm still in car no. 3 where I've been for quite a while now and unfortunately I see no reason to change at this time. I do remember when I was practically running in front of car no. 1, I still have hope to get back to the front running car someday.

(GO AWAY, M.E.!)

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Surely I don't have to post a preference, do I?

And I assume I'm still driving?

 

[BRERALEX]

Surely I don't have to post a preference, do I?

people that dont even know you baron can see it written all over your face D3V3C3-L3a3n3d3b3a3r3o3n .

I just wanted to make sure you were renewing your license!!!!

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I'm in car 1.5.
I get a good chuckle reading this forum, as no matter what news happens, it will get a negative spin. Disney could master mind something that would bring the house down, and somehow it would be spun and portrayed as a tactic for Eisner to build a bigger house. No matter what Disney does, folks here will find a way to blame Eisner/Disney, even if it is something positive. Seriously, this is not a 'Disney Rumors and News' forum, it is a 'Disney Doom and Gloom' forum.
I do understand that most here rag on Disney simply because they love Disney and want to see it get better, and not go down the toilet....I agree with that.
Don't get me wrong...things are not perfect, and I understand that work needs to be done. I am not wearing rose colored glasses, but neither am I wearing black ones.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Seriously, this is not a 'Disney Rumors and News' forum, it is a 'Disney Doom and Gloom' forum.

Ah, we don't all feel that way on this corner of the DIS.

things are not perfect, and I understand that work needs to be done. I am not wearing rose colored glasses, but neither am I wearing black ones.

I'm with you. Disney does have it's warts as of late (the fact that that "late" is going on 3+ years has me shading closer and closer to car 2), but I'm another car 1.5er here. Ok, maybe 1.75 , or 1.85 ......ummm 1.95 .

No mistaking, it is a rather tough love crowd in these here parts!

 

[mickey1010]

I've firmly planted my butt in car #2. I am an eternal optimist so I believe things will soon get better...If I was a shade more pessimistic, I'd probably be sittin' on the trunk of car #2 trying to decide if there was enough room for me to jump to car #3.

 

[Cricket2]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Disney could master mind something that would bring the house down, and somehow it would be spun and portrayed as a tactic for Eisner to build a bigger house. No matter what Disney does, folks here will find a way to blame Eisner/Disney, even if it is something positive.

Not everyone will spin things a bad way whether or not the general consensus be bad or good. However in just about every case, there will be differing opinions on the positive or negative impact on ANY changes made.

Being in a certain car shouldn't have much effect on the opinion of a passenger. Your ride preference just shows an overall picture.

If I have a gripe over any decision that is made, who should I "blame" if not Eisner/Disney?

JC

 

[All Aboard]

Violating my own rule here (the one hoping we would stop categorizing thoughts into car groups.) But, hey, I did start the whole thing a couple of years ago.

I'm still the driver of Car #2. The return of EE, the loss of Pressler, the new opening ceremony at MK, the hint that some $ may be flowing to Epcot, the hope of another E at AK are all keeping me out of Car #3.

Where's my buddy YoHo, shouldn't his Harley be rolling down the road somewhere between my car and Baron's??

 

[larworth]

I continue to classify myself as a 2.5'er. This represents my stance on a couple of different levels.

The stated car definitions differentiate largely on our different levels of optimism. Just as important a difference is how FAR we each think the company has drifted away from those business processes that had consistently produced the Magic.

I only think there will be a change if they get a clear disapproval message from customers, if they are open to admitting their mistakes, and if business conditions give them the freedom to take the necessary corrective action. I'm only moderately optimistic these stars will align in the near future.

I don’t think everything they have done over the last 5 or so years is devoid of Magic, nor is every decision borne out of the wrong philosophy. But the batting averages have swung enough in the wrong direction to make 2.5 feel about right.

 

[WEDWAY100]

I have to dissect the car 4 definition to really figure out where I am. Here goes:

Car 4 part I

Car # 4. Generally believe that today's business practices mirror non-Disney practices that never produced consistent Magic

I agree completely. The key word here for me is consistent. Their current practices can and do produce magic, but certainly not consistently. The current practices are far from the original practices that created DL.

Car 4 part II

Car # 4. ...and Six Flags is as likely to produce a product that people consider Magic as is Disney.

I disagree with this part. Disney’s current business practices do have a better chance of producing magic than Six Flags. But not much more of a chance.

Since fractional cars seem to be the trend, I’ll go with car 3.5. Maybe that means I am being dragged behind car 3, with the Baron taking the corners as fast as he can.

 

[HB2K]

Once the pandora's box is opened, it's not going to be shut.

You can't make an omlett without the eggs.

If you don't have the talent, you can't put on a show. The Disney company got rid of, or lost most of the talent they had...thinking that people would buy because of a name.

They did. Once they realized the name meant something different than what it used to, they don't keep buying because of the name.

The Disney brand name does not mean what it used to to the general public....evidenced by the recent results of DAK, the embarasment in California, Treasure Planet, etc. Heck, the main reason Treasure tanked, IMHO, is because of the name.

 

[raidermatt]

Full-fledged three here. The dark side is truly engulfing the company. I feel like one of the last Jedi fighting an unwinnable battle.

Uncertain the future is. The dark side clouds everything...

Disney could master mind something that would bring the house down, and somehow it would be spun and portrayed as a tactic for Eisner to build a bigger house.

Please, oh please tell me of something significant they have master-minded recently that brought the house down...

There have been a few success in the family film area (Princess Diaries, The Rookie), and one in animated films (L&S). Very nice, but "bringing down the house"? Signs? Ok, there's one. What about Pearl, Country Bears, endless animated sequels, etc.

Then there's the parks, AK, including the DR addition, DCA, DLP, everything except Tokyo Disney Seas, and then only because somebody else wanted to spend the money.

What are these things they are doing that are "bringing down the house", yet getting panned here?

Tell me, because I would love to find out that those numbers coming out in the quarterly reports were wrong, as were the attendance figures, and that Treasure Planet, Dinosaur and Atlantis didn't really tank, and that Pixar isn't itching to get out of their Disney deal, and Dinorama was some kind of mirage, and DCA was an elaborate April Fool's joke, and Epcot hasn't really been neglected for the last 10 years, and Eisner didn't really bring in Ovitz, and Disney truly is planning a celebration befitting Disneyland's 50th birthday, and Pop Century was built by trespassing hobgoblins....

 

[pooh071567]

I'm fairly new this forum and in car 1.5 I would have to agree to Maistre Gracey. Disney can't please everyone. I'm of the opinion that if you don't like something, don't buy it, don't visit it, etc. Life is too short to get excited about the little things.