Can we talk about how bad FastPass+ is?

[JanaDee]

Might wanna leave that phone home if worried about tracking.

Yes, I can be tracked off what cell tower I am using. My exact location? No.

 

[ajfd]

I also don't agree with the premise that so many less people were using fast pass-, these numbers are coming from Disney itself. The company who is trying to hype this 1.5 billion dollar expenditure. The company who takes down negative feedback on facebook. The company that won't release attendance numbers. When we were at the parks the fp- kiosks got tons of use! Not buying it at all.

I don't have to trust Disney for the numbers. The data is right there in MDE available for all to see, collect, and analyze. I did enough analysis to confirm my suspicion that many issues attributed to FP+ are actually due to capacity and increasing FP usage.

As far as "glitches" are concerned, while I have not experienced any over 3 FP+ trips (19 park days) that have ended up negatively affecting my plans, I don't doubt that there are those that have had issues. And when thing go wrong, you don't have to tell me how frustrating it can be.

With regards to "scheduling" considerations, I was originally very upset with FP+. Disney changed the "rules of the game" and I didn't like it. Luckily the vast majority of the changes happened between trips so I was able to learn and adjust our family's touring style to the new rules. We are hoppers that do RD, often closing multiple parks each day; the changes ended up being minimal. In the end, I don't think the family has noticed much of a difference (other than me who was the FP- runner).

Would I prefer FP-? If I could keep the old uptake rate ... sure. But that is not realistic. Given current uptake, FP- would be horrible. If anything, I'd rather have Disney tackle this from a capacity standpoint.

 

[jade1]

Yes, I can be tracked off what cell tower I am using. My exact location? No.

Depending if a smart phone or not of course.

 

[JanaDee]

Another valid possibility. Please don't take my comment as that everyone who disliked it before now loves it. I really was just throwing that out there as a possibility.

And to the rude condescending people, they don't deserve anyone's time or attention.

No worries, I didn't.

 

[Airb330]

Yes, I can be tracked off what cell tower I am using. My exact location? No.

Most phones will hit multiple towers, thus allowing triangulation; yes they can track you down to a few feet if needed.

 

[jade1]

Most of us view these 2 features in the same context.

Yep-and has there ever been a more obvious "next step" in the history of the solar system?

Swimming at the resort:

"Oh I see there is still TT FP available from 7PM to 8PM, lets run up to the room, get ready walk over and get on a bus to EPCOT, walk over to TT grab them for later".

Or "click here to reserve"..duh. Just keep swimming.....

 

[OtherScott]

So again, I'm curious where you're getting information that there are no long range sensors in the parks, except for on rides for photos?

Take it a step further: where does PP get information that specifically contradicts Disney's published claim that are using readers already in the parks?

 

[JanaDee]

On another Disney site, a member posted pictures of RFID readers mounted on the ceilings in the new shops at DTD. If you google "long range RFID readers", you will see they come in all different shapes and sizes and can be easily hidden in the architecture. I have not been yet but I will look for them. I do not for a minute believe they are only being used for ride photos.

I honestly have no idea why some refuse to believe Disney isn't using them to data mine and track guests movements. They've told you they are.

 

[JanaDee]

Depending if a smart phone or not of course.

If I have location services and Find My Iphone turned off, no. Within a few hundred feet, yes.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Most of us view these 2 features in the same context.

I thought it was rather obvious that booking/changing wasn't a feature of.legacy. Didn't really think I had to detail that out :confused

But I have seen many posts where people have made the comment that you had to schlep across the park to find out what a return time was under legacy fp. My response was directed at those sentiments, as once apps came out, there were apps that gave this information.

 

[jade1]

If I have location services and Find My Iphone turned off, no. Within a few hundred feet, yes.

I basically agree with you-just pointing out that folks scared (no idea why) of WDW tracking could easily buy into the GPS on your phone being tracked as well that week and the other 51 weeks of the year.

Jogging apps are within feet. So the phone has the capability-it's just how the access is set up/granted etc.

http://www.strava.com/how-it-works

 

[kay1864]

You didn't qualify that statement in this post with anything about photos.

Again, I was replying to posters who claimed Disney was tracking guests' every movement in the parks. MM photos don't exactly do that.

I highly doubt Disney put in place a system and have flat out said, of their own accord, that there are long range sensors in the parks, if there aren't any except on rides for photos.

Well for one thing they're covering themselves for any future LR sensors they may add--which (as I've said several times) they may still do. That way they don't have to rewrite their policy. Policies are generally written broadly. Doesn't mean that the policy says "our LR sensors are everywhere".

Why wouldn't they put the long range sensors in place with the intent of using them in the future?

Why would they wait for "the future" to use them? Once they are in place, I fully expect Disney to use the sensors and the data. Just as they started using the Mickey scanners which replaced the turnstiles.

So again, I'm curious where you're getting information that there are no long range sensors in the parks, except for on rides for photos?

As I've said, it would be all over the DIS boards if they were. It was posted here quickly when ride photos started showing up on PhotoPass, and people figured out that LR sensors were being used on the rides. You really think this wouldn't be known by a few CMs? Plus Disney isn't exactly hiding the LR sensor at DTD. Once they're spotted in the parks, there will be a whole new thread on it

And if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy another roll of aluminum foil

 

[ajfd]

Yes, I can be tracked off what cell tower I am using. My exact location? No.

Actually, if Disney wanted to they could track you down to a resolution of few meters using your cell phone. You are carrying a uniquely identifiable transmitter with you and by just listening to cell, bluetooth, wifi traffic, triangulation is not that hard.

 

[kay1864]

Take it a step further: where does PP get information that specifically contradicts Disney's published claim that are using readers already in the parks?

You do realize that "readers already in the parks" includes LR sensors for ride photos, yes? And we're pretty sure Disney is using those readers.

 

[OtherScott]

I thought it was rather obvious that booking/changing wasn't a feature of.legacy. Didn't really think I had to detail that out :confused

But I have seen many posts where people have made the comment that you had to schlep across the park to find out what a return time was under legacy fp. My response was directed at those sentiments, as once apps came out, there were apps that gave this information.

Didn't mean to suggest you didn't know this, just wanted to point out the 2 features were sort of like 2 necessary parts of a single thing for most of us.

The apps did provide some real time information, and the accuracy was based on user participation. The usefulness was also limited precisely because it couldn't be acted upon in real time - the trip still had to be made.

In a lot of circumstances, the time it took to walk over based on a favorable app report did not significantly impact the actual return time. But in some instances involving popular attractions, a 15 minute walk changes the return time significantly (subjective, apply your own standard).

So yes, apps sort of did what + does wrt to base information, but not wrt actionable information.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Depending if a smart phone or not of course.

And whether or not your GPS is turned on. I keep mine turned off unless I need to navigate, because it drains battery.

 

[kay1864]

I honestly have no idea why some refuse to believe Disney isn't using them to data mine and track guests movements. They've told you they are.

I'm right here on this thread, kind of rude to be so oblique. If you're going to call people out, at least be honest enough to do so directly.

and track guests movements. They've told you they are.

I for one would appreciate a reference that this is currently being done in the parks, and not just conjecture and/or "Disney has a policy allowing them to do so".

 

[Angel Ariel]

So yes, apps sort of did what + does wrt to base information, but not wrt actionable information.

I.never said they were exactly like.+. As I said, my response is to the "you had to.schlep to the ride to see the return time" comments. You didn't have to if you used the apps, unless you felt the return time on the app was a good time frame.

We never used that method for the hard to.get fps that disappeared for the entire day quickly. We headed to those attractions first, used the app the rest of the day.

And as I said,.I am pretty sure mobile magic.showed return times if you were physically in the park, and that information would have been direct from Disney, not.user based.

 

[OtherScott]

You do realize that "readers already in the parks" includes LR sensors for ride photos, yes? And we're pretty sure Disney is using those readers.

Yes. They would be included in this part of the statement:

MagicBands can also be read by long-range readers located at Walt Disney World Resort used to deliver personalized experiences,

but it goes on with

"as well as provide information that helps us improve the overall experience in our parks."

Not sure why you'd think this was an either/or situation. They have them they're using them.

 

[DISNEYD14]

Does anyone know if Disney let's you make your 4th FP selection from app yet? Can't keep up with changes, or kiosk only still?