Can we have 5 in a one bedroom at OKW?
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Ann K,
I just spent a half hour writing a post telling you not to bother arguing with Rich and telling him why.
I trashed it because even though it was tactful and polite, it would probably be considered a "personal attack". (Moderators: Could someone post a definition of "personal attack". It seems to mean different things on different DIS boards.) And I never called anyone a liberal, a cheater or a thief...
Oh well, suffice it to say; don't waste your time or breath. Even if you make a salient point that disproves an argument, you'll just be labeled as a liberal or a cheater.
Oh well...
Maybe I should catch the carpool with JeffJ and Landbaron.
BTW Rich: I agree with you on many issues both political and DVC. I just don't care for the way you present your opinions and the way you treat those who disagree with you.
Dave
I just spent a half hour writing a post telling you not to bother arguing with Rich and telling him why.
I trashed it because even though it was tactful and polite, it would probably be considered a "personal attack". (Moderators: Could someone post a definition of "personal attack". It seems to mean different things on different DIS boards.) And I never called anyone a liberal, a cheater or a thief...
Oh well, suffice it to say; don't waste your time or breath. Even if you make a salient point that disproves an argument, you'll just be labeled as a liberal or a cheater.
Oh well...
Maybe I should catch the carpool with JeffJ and Landbaron.
BTW Rich: I agree with you on many issues both political and DVC. I just don't care for the way you present your opinions and the way you treat those who disagree with you.
Dave
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Wow! I am amazed that this question, on behalf of someone who is exchanging into DVC, generated this type of response. It seems much like those local news stories where some condo board or gated community board is suing to have a resident remove wind chimes from their door.
The rules are part of the sales agreement which I signed. If I want to bring 4 persons over the age of 3, I'll use a 2 bedroom, gladly. It's not worth the tsuris! I just don't see the need for this kind of overbearing response to a planning issue. Please don't flame me for this.
Thanks.
The rules are part of the sales agreement which I signed. If I want to bring 4 persons over the age of 3, I'll use a 2 bedroom, gladly. It's not worth the tsuris! I just don't see the need for this kind of overbearing response to a planning issue. Please don't flame me for this.
Thanks.
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I was trying to avoid getting involved in this debate again, but I feel I need to. As many of you know, I was definitely on the side of the "you signed the papers, the rules are clear crowd" for a long time. As many of you have been on the board for a while may remember, I got so frustrated with the last debate on this topic that I ended up emailing MS for a response. Their answer was that the limit was four, but that they would allow a fifth person (child or adult) in a studio or 1BR but would not provide any extra bedding to accomodate the extra person. The full text of their email is in a locked thread I posted on January 11, 2001. Frankly, I was a little disappointed in the answer, but this was a written answer from MS on their policy. Sorry I am link challenged and can't provide you with the hot link
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Oh, Ann so refreshing to hear someone talk with their feet planted in reality and common sense!
Horizons, don't know what you're "trashed" post had to say, but the one you posted was pretty clear and concise! Not only does the definition of "personal attack" vary from board to board, but there definitely seems to be different standards depending on WHO the poster is. No carpool for you!
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Horizons, don't know what you're "trashed" post had to say, but the one you posted was pretty clear and concise! Not only does the definition of "personal attack" vary from board to board, but there definitely seems to be different standards depending on WHO the poster is. No carpool for you!
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I agree that the rule is the rule. 4 to a room.
Most moderate and deluxe resorts are about 400 sq ft. The OKW studios are 400 sq ft. All of those units permit 4 per room which works out to 100 sq ft per person.
The OKW 1 bedroom are about 1000 sq ft. That works out to 250 sq ft per person. Five adults would fit very comfortably in that size and would give them 200 sq ft per person.
A 2 br - which is 400 sq feet bigger - permits 8 people - which is 175 sq ft per person.
Seems like the rule is the problem?
[This message was edited by gscott8075 on 03-22-01 at 11:09 AM.]
Most moderate and deluxe resorts are about 400 sq ft. The OKW studios are 400 sq ft. All of those units permit 4 per room which works out to 100 sq ft per person.
The OKW 1 bedroom are about 1000 sq ft. That works out to 250 sq ft per person. Five adults would fit very comfortably in that size and would give them 200 sq ft per person.
A 2 br - which is 400 sq feet bigger - permits 8 people - which is 175 sq ft per person.
Seems like the rule is the problem?
[This message was edited by gscott8075 on 03-22-01 at 11:09 AM.]
Its not about "fitting", its about the level of experience you bought. Its about the number of people the resort was designed to entertain. Its about not being able to get a reservation for the unhappy birthday party because there are too many kids sleeping in sleeping bags.
Its also about agreements and contracts. We all signed agreements and contracts. The fact that some timeshare sales people lied to some purchasers, is the purchasers fault. If someone was being told to sign something that was contrary to what the sales person was representing, they should have had that part of the contract nullified before signing it or not sign it.
Its also about inflicting the costs associated with cramming extra people into the units on the rest of the members.
The units are designed with s specific number of beds and bedding. Why didn't they put queen size bunk beds in the studios? Because that would have made for an overcrowded resort and they wouldn't have had the level of experience they were trying to sell.
I think it comes down to a pretty basic idea, does your signature count?
Do you tell your kids that rules are meant for other people?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?
Its also about agreements and contracts. We all signed agreements and contracts. The fact that some timeshare sales people lied to some purchasers, is the purchasers fault. If someone was being told to sign something that was contrary to what the sales person was representing, they should have had that part of the contract nullified before signing it or not sign it.
Its also about inflicting the costs associated with cramming extra people into the units on the rest of the members.
The units are designed with s specific number of beds and bedding. Why didn't they put queen size bunk beds in the studios? Because that would have made for an overcrowded resort and they wouldn't have had the level of experience they were trying to sell.
I think it comes down to a pretty basic idea, does your signature count?
Do you tell your kids that rules are meant for other people?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?
SAKPEG99OKW
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Enough already, the rule is the rule is the rule. We all and I mean "all" singed the contracts when we purchased which clearly stated 4 to room.... Now if people are concerned or do not agree with that rule then they don't have to purchase or they can sell their points. Either way their are rules all around us in life which we do not agree with, but the solution is not to disregard the rule and break it anyway. IMHO that's whatâÂÂs wrong with this country today. Children have parents who choose to make up their own rules to suit their needs instead of abiding by the rules that have been set by society.
I truly feel that this thred is all about getting what you want no matter how you affect other people, that's not the Disney way, it's not the American way and it's not the human way. Let's all just abide by the rules and there will be no more problems or threds like this.
Have a great day.
Scott and Peg
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I truly feel that this thred is all about getting what you want no matter how you affect other people, that's not the Disney way, it's not the American way and it's not the human way. Let's all just abide by the rules and there will be no more problems or threds like this.
Have a great day.
Scott and Peg
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The rule and all occupancy statements say 4 in a studio or one-bedroom, 8 in a 2-bedroom, 12 in a villa. This has been amended to allow a child under 3 to sleep in a crib in any unit and also for a child small enough to fit on the daybed in some studios at BWV. If the child is 3 and fits in the crib I don't see a problem. I don't see a problem for the initial request of this thread.
Indications are that Disney has bent the rule for some members and allowed them on occassionto have an extra person in the unit. They will not provide towels, bedding, cots, etc. for this extra person. I think this is to allow the family to bring along an extra person once in awhile. Nothing has changed in the rules and no member has received anything written saying the rule has changed. DoctorP posted the response he got along these lines. Once again I think the Internet has changed what was a wink to some people as a favor into a problem. If 5 becomes the established norm then the "wink" becomes 6 in unit. This kind of increase won't be good for anyone.
We can't do anything about this except let DVC know how we feel pro or con and hope that they monitor the situation. I can't imagine that they don't have the same thing happen in the moderates where folks are sticking one or two extra in the room. Hopefully, they will deal with DVC members or renters who cause a problem with overcrowding the same way they deal with them at the resorts.
As for being told by a salesperson it is okay, I was told by my salesperson it was not okay and would be enforced...so much for what salespeople have to say.
Indications are that Disney has bent the rule for some members and allowed them on occassionto have an extra person in the unit. They will not provide towels, bedding, cots, etc. for this extra person. I think this is to allow the family to bring along an extra person once in awhile. Nothing has changed in the rules and no member has received anything written saying the rule has changed. DoctorP posted the response he got along these lines. Once again I think the Internet has changed what was a wink to some people as a favor into a problem. If 5 becomes the established norm then the "wink" becomes 6 in unit. This kind of increase won't be good for anyone.
We can't do anything about this except let DVC know how we feel pro or con and hope that they monitor the situation. I can't imagine that they don't have the same thing happen in the moderates where folks are sticking one or two extra in the room. Hopefully, they will deal with DVC members or renters who cause a problem with overcrowding the same way they deal with them at the resorts.
As for being told by a salesperson it is okay, I was told by my salesperson it was not okay and would be enforced...so much for what salespeople have to say.
It has nothing to do with the level of the experience that someone buys. People choose to experience life in different ways. A parent may have one child that is certainly a different experience than one who chooses to have five. Who's experience is better? A person who stays in a GV with family and friends and spreads out just chooses a different experience than someone who chooses a smaller unit. It doesn't make one experience better than the other, just different.
If a your child has a friend sleep over and they sleep in a sleeping bag, do you really worry about the wear and tear? A family with a 3 year old in a pack and play should not be an issue for anyone. Why do you care how old the child in the pack and play is? They HAVE bedding.
For the most part I stay out of this debate. I have read it before and it sounded like a bunch of whining about contracts. I wouldn't go around and question someone's intergrity . I am certain they DON'T tell their kids that rules are for someone else, in this instance I am certain the kids don't know/care about occupancy limits in some document somewhere. I don't sleep 5 in a 1 bdrm, but I am not patrolling to see if a FAMILY has their three year old sleeping in a pack and play in their room.
This thread was about someone who is TRADING into OKW, I am certain that they will have no problem with Disney. I hope they never encounter any of you mean people, who might go nuts when you realize their baby is three, and sleeping in an unauthorized room
If a your child has a friend sleep over and they sleep in a sleeping bag, do you really worry about the wear and tear? A family with a 3 year old in a pack and play should not be an issue for anyone. Why do you care how old the child in the pack and play is? They HAVE bedding.
For the most part I stay out of this debate. I have read it before and it sounded like a bunch of whining about contracts. I wouldn't go around and question someone's intergrity . I am certain they DON'T tell their kids that rules are for someone else, in this instance I am certain the kids don't know/care about occupancy limits in some document somewhere. I don't sleep 5 in a 1 bdrm, but I am not patrolling to see if a FAMILY has their three year old sleeping in a pack and play in their room.
This thread was about someone who is TRADING into OKW, I am certain that they will have no problem with Disney. I hope they never encounter any of you mean people, who might go nuts when you realize their baby is three, and sleeping in an unauthorized room
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I don't consider myslef a liberal, and I don't think liberals are silly. They just feel more strongly towards certain issues as I feel more strongly about other issues. We are not a family of 5 or more. Just my wife and I, and our upcoming baby. I totally agree with AnnK and with RamVa. Thank God not everything in life is black and white and just a small percentage of people are too anal to let small things ruin what otherwise is a fun and relaxing vacation time. Unfortunately for those people, they have to put up with us, fellows with a more (liberal..carefree..easygoing...irresponsible...whatever...pick your word). Unfortunately for us, we have to put up with those stiffies when we encounter them. Such is life in a free country like America (Thank God). Different strokes for different folks.
I don't believe that the rules should be abused, but there should be some flexibility regarding any rule, and a small child should be considered within that flexibility. I know Disney resevations think that way too. If you don't believe me, talk to a CM, ask them if you can fit a fifth child in a 1 BR and then get back to me.
If I ever find myself in the situation of having 3 children and one of them is small to fit in a crib, I will not be asking permission to anybody in this board to go to a 1 BR and I will not be taking a 2 BR for the purpose. If all of the children are older, then I will get the 2 BR. That was not the case in this thread.
I am sure that the vast majority of guests (both DVC and regular), think like I do. SOmetimes DVCers in this board seem to think that we represent a large percentage of WDW visitors...We don't, and, although I am sure Disney sometimes reads our opinions, they just take them like they are, as the voice of a small percentage of their visitors.
I don't believe that the rules should be abused, but there should be some flexibility regarding any rule, and a small child should be considered within that flexibility. I know Disney resevations think that way too. If you don't believe me, talk to a CM, ask them if you can fit a fifth child in a 1 BR and then get back to me.
If I ever find myself in the situation of having 3 children and one of them is small to fit in a crib, I will not be asking permission to anybody in this board to go to a 1 BR and I will not be taking a 2 BR for the purpose. If all of the children are older, then I will get the 2 BR. That was not the case in this thread.
I am sure that the vast majority of guests (both DVC and regular), think like I do. SOmetimes DVCers in this board seem to think that we represent a large percentage of WDW visitors...We don't, and, although I am sure Disney sometimes reads our opinions, they just take them like they are, as the voice of a small percentage of their visitors.
JoeBlack I agree with you that DVC should be able to be the voice of reason and determine what is a hard and fast rule and what can reasonably be allowed to happen...a 3 year old in a crib (vs. under 3), a bending of the banking rules "once in a lifetime", etc. It is DVC who makes the rules and who can bend the rules. They have a much clearer look at the total picture than we do.
It isn't up to DVC members to decide which rules need to be broken or upheld. We should be able to go on vacation assured that things are running smoothly at "home". If I'm going to manage DVC then I should be on the payroll.
It isn't up to DVC members to decide which rules need to be broken or upheld. We should be able to go on vacation assured that things are running smoothly at "home". If I'm going to manage DVC then I should be on the payroll.
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Blah, blah, blah!! Here we go again!
DVC or MS or CRO DOES allow 5 in a 1BR or even a studio. You all know it, I know it, they know it, they've even "confessed" to it.
vacationlover tell your friends that they will be allowed to have 5 in a room. And please, please, please don't let the harsh tones of some of the posters intimidate you. I am absolutely sure that none of these people who so sanctimoniously refer to the rules have ever broken a law in their life-NOT!
Kimberly-Lucas and Ripley's Mom
DVC or MS or CRO DOES allow 5 in a 1BR or even a studio. You all know it, I know it, they know it, they've even "confessed" to it.
vacationlover tell your friends that they will be allowed to have 5 in a room. And please, please, please don't let the harsh tones of some of the posters intimidate you. I am absolutely sure that none of these people who so sanctimoniously refer to the rules have ever broken a law in their life-NOT!
Kimberly-Lucas and Ripley's Mom
Blah, blah, blah, here we go again, people just caring what is convinient for themselves with no regard to anyone else.
Typical of liberal attitdes.
If 5 are the norm, why is no bedding supplied?
Whay are there no extra towels?
Its because they will bend for someone once but are trying to disuade people from doing it.
Its because it is against the rules and they assume people will be responsible and do the right thing....typical of the liberal attitude, whats also typical is the abuse that goes on. We have already heard reports of six and seven in a one bedroom. Again, typical.
I smell a lock....
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?
Typical of liberal attitdes.
If 5 are the norm, why is no bedding supplied?
Whay are there no extra towels?
Its because they will bend for someone once but are trying to disuade people from doing it.
Its because it is against the rules and they assume people will be responsible and do the right thing....typical of the liberal attitude, whats also typical is the abuse that goes on. We have already heard reports of six and seven in a one bedroom. Again, typical.
I smell a lock....
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?
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