Can someone truly be this innocent/clueless??

I'll be the first to admit that there were some things I just didn't know when I got married-- like how to buy beef.

I really hadn't cooked a lot of different recipes beyond those that required ground beef---fresh out of college with a dining hall, I hadn't cooked much beef beyond tacos and hamburgers on m own. Our family wasn't a huge beef eating family....but my DH wanted a specific recipe and I remember looking at all of the different cuts of beef and having no idea which cut was appropriate for various uses.

I called my mom who laughed...but then gave me a tutorial!

When I was pregnant and having problems I wrote a shopping list and sent DH. He did ok until he got to the ground beef. Then he had to call me and I had to give him a quick run down on levels of ground beef.

I did tell him that would not get him out of shopping in the future.
 
I now know how lucky I am.

By the end of elementary school (6th grade) I knew how to:
write a check and balance a checkbook (our 5th grade teacher did an entire lesson on it)
cook from scratch
do laundry

Now at 21, away at college I:
pay my own rent every month
know exactly how medical insurance works (and what is wrong with it)
can make basically anything from scratch (I rarely eat out...I cook everything...very little frozen)
can change a tire and check the oil in my car
do laundry 1-2 times/week
have a credit card (and pay my own credit card bill each month...on time)
have a debit card that I always keep money in
have 2 savings accounts to keep track of
go grocery shopping 1-2 times/week (WITH coupons)
pay my own gym membership
etc.

It amazes me how many college students walk around the grocery store aimlessly (its is funny to watch)
how many college students dont know how to do their own laundry
how many college students dont get that to USE an ATM or debit card, you need money in the account (It is quite amusing to be behind someone like that at the ATM...especially when they start talking to themselves and wondering why it is happening...again)

I could go on.

The point is, parents should be teaching these basic things to their child before they leave the house. It amazes me at how many parents dont.

And dont get me wrong. I was spoiled. My parents did basically everything for me when I asked. I definitley grew up in a suburban bubble. But I knew all of this stuff anyways. They made sure that I would be able to take care of myself. I dont graduate for another 1 1/2 years and I have already set up a separate account for rent, insurance, etc for when I do graduate. I dont expect anyone to take care of me. I expect to be able to take care of myself.

But this is also the generation that still wants their parents to fight their battles at college for them. The stories that I heard form a couple of my professors (and my counselor) back at community college amazed me. I am part of that generation and I do think that as a whole, my generation is too spoiled and too sheltered and too dependent on their parents. And I admit....I do depend on my parents because they are here. Because they are around and only 2 hours away. And because I have certain circumstances (medical related) that make it more necessary for me to rely on them then I would like. But if something were to happen, I could do all of that stuff by myself. Would it be difficult, yes. But I could do it.
 
Parents are doing a disserve to their kids, by fighting their battles, doing their homework and buying them out of situations. We have hired two girls in college to do basic office work and they don't know how to do anything and then one of them complained that $10 an hour is slave pay so she quit. $10 an hour was great pay for someone who did nothing but text all day! She also wanted to bring her ipod to listen to music while she worked.
A women I used to work with texts her daughter who is first year college all day! Where are you, did you eat lunch???? Etc.
 
She also wanted to bring her ipod to listen to music while she worked.

Well, if it's against your rules, that's fine, but I am a degreed paralegal working in a law office that's been in business for 35 years, and 90% of us have headphones in our ears most of the day. It's the best way to avoid the distraction of people around you talking so that you can focus on your own work. I don't think listening to music while you're working is strange at all.

(Mine is turned up enough to drown out conversations happening around me, but so that I can hear if my phone rings. Perfect.)
 

My dd 17 is a senior in HS and she is taking "Independent Living." They have learned lots of life skills, and she mentioned to me that she is the only person in her class that has a debit card! It's her own money (she has a job) and she also has a savings account (direct deposit). I did ask if they had learned about loans, credit cards and interest, and at that point, they had not yet. My dds have known how to write out a check since they were younger, and also understand that you have to have money in the bank to write a check. I am proud of them, and yes, this type of course SHOULD be taught in all high schools!
OTOH, I work with a young woman, 35ish, who is extremely naive about the ways of the world. She is as sweet as pie, though, but does get taken advantage of at work. We tell her she should stand up for herself more often. She had her son "classified" in school for whatever reason. She states things she thinks are facts and we just look at each other and shake our heads. One of our other co-workers went to school with her, so she knew her back then and says she was the same way then. I just think her family was very dysfunctional and she had no solid role models.:confused3
 
Special Snowflake kids grow up to be Special Snowflake adults..but it's even worse because most people will cut kids some slack- not so much as an adult. I was in nursing school with a woman whose mother would call her workplace or her school and tell them she wouldn't be in . Not suprisingly, she never finished the nursing program.
 
well, I do hope you don't forget to teach your children anything at the risk of them being mocked. :goodvibes The whole thing is just WAY too judgemental to me. People should show a little more kindness towards others. It's how we learn and grow as human beings.
Not saying this to be mean, but this is why people are so coddled and have a victim mentality these days. God forbid someone tell it like it is because someone's feeling will be hurt. We have to stop encouraging people to be soft and weak.

Sorry, if you are over 18 and can't do basic things to take care of yourself, there is something wrong. I'm not talking about those with MR, or those who have been in an accident. I'm talking about supposedly normal people.
 
:thumbsup2:thumbsup2 this was my first reaction too.

Why be so judgemental ? Maybe her parents didn't use coupons, maybe they were lucky enough not to have a mortgage. People aren't born knowing everything. If you're going to be judgemental of her, perhaps you should just tell her to ask someone else. It just seems kind of mean to slam someone for not knowing everything.

What you're saying is very nice, open, understanding and accepting but there is a huge difference between not knowing everything and barely knowing what is necessary to live successfully in this society as an adult. Most of the people on this thread don't seem to be saying "Bad you for not knowing everything" they are saying "How sad that you don't know enough to get by on your own like practically everyone else in the real world". Note I said "practically" and not actually everyone.
 
Not saying this to be mean, but this is why people are so coddled and have a victim mentality these days. God forbid someone tell it like it is because someone's feeling will be hurt. We have to stop encouraging people to be soft and weak.

Sorry, if you are over 18 and can't do basic things to take care of yourself, there is something wrong. I'm not talking about those with MR, or those who have been in an accident. I'm talking about supposedly normal people.

WOW. how hateful.
 
WOW. how hateful.
Lol, nope not hateful- just don't hold with celebrating weakness and stupidity. You don't do anyone any favors by enabling them..

But, I think sometimes, parents like to render their kids helpless- gives them more control. I've known men and women in their 30's and 40's who have very controlling parents. Sometimes, there is culture and religion behind it( this explains some women who are helpless- they go right from their parents house to marriage), sometimes just parents who can't let go. Either way, these helpless adults are in a precarious position.
 
my roomate is sweet, but clueless. i came from divorced parents and by the time i was in 5th grade i did my own laundry, made all my school lunches, and even cooked half my meals. i was "spoiled" in the sense i lived at home until recently rent free, but it was a trade off b/c i have huge student loans. i have learned a lot in the past few years by myself, including how to save, invest, budget, coupon, etc. i was booksmart when younger but i think its a lack of motivation that causes people to continue to be that dumb.

my roomate has been out on her own foor a year or two, but still does not know basic things. for example, i had to roll my eyes when i heard her call the vet to get a quote on having her cat neutered and de-clawed. i told my mother she would eventually find out you dont neuter female cats when she brings it to the vet and they inform her it already has those parts missing. :rotfl: she had her family here and proudly declared that she cleaned up after they left. which is why when i cleaned up a week later i found toy parts on the floor and an entire tub of dried play dough behind our tv stand....and its on an angle so you can see behind it. i should have known when i asked her what we needed for the apt. and she said a broom it was not good. she left the vacuume i bought in the box for two weeks too. she seriously doesn't understand that a broom can move dirt but does not pick it all up. im currently home sick with a viral infection and she doesnt understand why i dont want to watch tv with her. i informed her i was contagious and was staying in my room to keep her from getting sick. the only thing i can do is have patience and be kind enough to try to steer her in the right direction.
 
A women I used to work with texts her daughter who is first year college all day! Where are you, did you eat lunch???? Etc.

:eek::rolleyes: That is "helecopter parenting" I guess! Yikes! I have a friend like this, and her (very, very bright) son is withdrawing from the university because he got sick and wants to come home. I understand that he caught a bad bug, but it's nothing that he needed to withdraw over. She also texts him all day long, calls him all the time and even visits every couple of weeks. I just don't think that she was ready to cut the cord and he's done nothing to discourage that. How is this helping the boy to become a man? I'm just not sure, but it seems like she's doing him a disservice.
 
Obviously her parents didn't spend any time getting her ready for the real world while she was in their house. What a shame. Never baked cookies?

Since we know so very little about this person, I think it's a bit premature to say that her parents "obviously" didn't send any time getting her ready for the real world.. There could be all sorts of situations going on that we aren't aware of..

Oh - and DD's MIL is in her late 60's and has never been able to bake a cookie or a cake in her entire life.. ;)


I think people act stupid to get attention sometimes. This person went to college so she should know those things, but she may be book smart & not have common sense. :confused3

I'm not picking up on the part where she's acting stupid to "get attention".. Again - we know so little about her - although I will admit that I know people who have earned numerous degrees and don't know enough to come in out of the rain..:confused3

Some people are just stupid.

Is that a general statement - or your opinion of this particular young woman? While I agree that there are some people who aren't terribly smart (for many different reasons) - I don't feel that there is enough information here to label this particular person "stupid"..:confused:

Why be so judgemental ? Maybe her parents didn't use coupons, maybe they were lucky enough not to have a mortgage. People aren't born knowing everything. If you're going to be judgemental of her, perhaps you should just tell her to ask someone else. It just seems kind of mean to slam someone for not knowing everything.

well, I do hope you don't forget to teach your children anything at the risk of them being mocked. :goodvibes The whole thing is just WAY too judgemental to me. People should show a little more kindness towards others. It's how we learn and grow as human beings.

I agree whole heartedly with both of your posts..:thumbsup2 There is just so much we don't know about this woman.. Maybe she wasn't "always" a part of this family - perhaps she was lucky enough to be rescued from the foster system.. Maybe she has learning disabilities - that she has chosen not to share with other co-workers.. Maybe she has emotional issues and has to take medications that make her thinking "fuzzy".. (And yes - there are some that are so strong they make people act extremely abnormal.. Maybe at some point in her past she had a prior head injury; meningitis; a brain tumor; etc.. All information we don't have - so why the need to call her "stupid"; accuse her parents of doing a poor job; or imply it's attention-seeking behavior? I really think it's sad to assume so much - based on so little..:(

Not saying this to be mean, but this is why people are so coddled and have a victim mentality these days. God forbid someone tell it like it is because someone's feeling will be hurt. We have to stop encouraging people to be soft and weak..

Are you speaking of this particular coworker that is being discussed here? Because if you are, without knowing the "cause" of her actions (or lack of) it's really not fair to say she's been "coddled" and has a "victim mentality" - don't you think?

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I have a coworker friend that constantly amazes me with her cluelessness! At first I honestly thought it was an act. We've been working together 6 years now and I am still going :scared1: at some of her comments/questions.

Sometimes I know the work related questions are fake and her way of getting others to do her work for her! She grew up sheltered and spoiled but is really a sweet girl. Still very close to her family but is very immature overall. She got married this summer. She is late 20s.

When we first started working together (we started at the same time) she asked what a mortgage was, when we explained she asked why someone would have one and not just pay for the house. At the times she was in her early 20s and this was only her second job out of college so i sort of understood she just wasn't aware of financial things. Her father managed her checking account, paid her bills, etc. She is still on her family's phone plan.

Over the years she has made a lot of comments that I feel my 10 year old would know. At Christmas she made cookies for the first time and came in crying because they didn't turn out. She didn't know you could not put all the ingredients in at once. I asked if she read the recipe and she said yes but thought she could skip the steps.

OVer the years i've told her about ff miles, hotel rewards, credit card rewards, etc. I've shown her how to use coupon codes and printable coupons. Those things I get a lot of people don't know about.

However, today another co worker dropped off the coupon section from the paper for her for her favorite soup and something else i forget. She asked where she could use them. When the other co worker said anywhere she was in complete shock. She thought you could only use coupons if they came from the store and only at that store. She has gone around asking everyone if they knew you can use coupons in the grocery store that you can get in the paper.

She asked me if i thought it was weird she didn't know. I held my breath for a moment and said well, YES.

I mean seriously how can you not know about coupons? whether you use them or not you have to know they are out there. She goes to the grocery store every few days.

Great opportunities await those who give more than what is asked.. To get more out of life, give more of yourself.. If you have the desire - and you truly want to help this woman - answer her questions to the best of your ability without wondering about the "why's" of her circumstances.. You may find yourself in a position of develping a wonderful friendship - simply because you "cared"..:goodvibes
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And above all else - in regards to some of the comments here - remember that only God is in a postion to look "down" on anyone.. Be thankful that you aren't in this type of situation yourselves..:goodvibes
 
I think people act stupid to get attention sometimes. This person went to college so she should know those things, but she may be book smart & not have common sense. :confused3

:thumbsup2
 
Wow...for those who post about not standing in judgment of others...and you stand in judgment of others' posts here....seems really judgmental.:confused3
 
Lol, no kidding. I love how the morality police always chime in on posts like this. Some people have learning problems, and some people are just ditzy. Far too many people are the result of helicopter parenting. Like it or not, we all make judgments. Anyone who claims they don't is full of it.
 
Wow...for those who post about not standing in judgment of others...and you stand in judgment of others' posts here....seems really judgmental.:confused3

I find it a bit of a trend on budget/frugal/debt free type boards that there is an air of arrogance for those that possess common sense when discussing the financial shortcomings of those who apparently "lack it".

The difference, I am observing what you have post, but I'm not trotting off elsewhere talking about it in be third person in a condescending manner which calling someone clueless conveys.

Opinions, by nature are judgements. However there is a way to judge something without coming across as judgemental, isn't there?

I'm sure folks here can tell the difference.


It isn't coddling the young woman whom the OP is talking about by pointing out that it isnt nice to call someone clueless.


Regardless, for whatever reason she doesn't know what she doesn't know and it is a great thing that the OP is able to share her knowledge. What I cannot determine from the OP is if she is truly bothered to share her knowledge or if she is indeed shocked that someone doesnt know as much as she.


We are all " clueless" in one subject or another. I'm sure none of us would appreciate being mocked for it. I don't get how some folks can't do math, but I don't call them clueless.

I am wonderful at math. Household finances make my head hurt though.
 
The woman in the OP was coddled. It was mentioned that her father paid her phone bill and managed her checkbook for her. She was in her 20s at the time.
 
While in my mid 20's, and finishing off my University degree, I was working at an office for the summer. I was living on my own, riddled with school debt and life's expenses. I had an old car that I just needed to last until the end of school (I had one semester left). I ended up becoming friends with a couple of the workers there. One of the guys was younger then me, and we were talking about buying a new car. He came from an affluent family...and he didn't pay for one single cent of his education. They paid his MORTGAGE on his NEW condo while he was in school, and they gave him an allowance, while stocking his fridge and cupboards with food, paying his insurance AND fuel. He probably got all utilities covered too. As a bonus, his place had a second bedroom that he rented to his friend, so pocketed that money. He literally had zero expenses while in school.

We started talking about me buying a new car, since my car really needed to be replaced sooner than later. He seriously looked at me and said, "why would you get a car loan? why not just buy it straight out?" Like everyone on the world could afford a brand new BMW (yes...thats what his parents bought him). Even if I could buy a brand new POS, I could never have afforded to after school, with $80,000 debt from student loans, to buy a new car straight out....wishful thinking.

He was totally serious by the way.....He just didn't get it.

So yes, there are people out there who just don't get it. I worry there are more of them then we think.
 
I can see both sides of being 'clueless'. I grew up on a 900 acre farm in Mississippi. I ran out of gas when I was 17 years old...why...because I did not know that I had to fill the gas tank. Dad had several guys that worked for him. He would have one of the guys to fill my tank so that I wouldn't have to. Well 25 years ago there was no cell phones so my younger brother and I walked to a house to call Dad to tell him car wouldn't work & didn't know why. Once problem was found out and fixed, lots changed in my world. My parents realized that I had been too sheltered and started with life lessons real quick. I am very glad that I ran out of gas when I was 17 and my parents realized just how sheltered I was. Now I will admit that I don't know how to change a tire but I can read my owner's manual and yeah I keep a charged cell phone with me at all times.
 





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