Can prices keep going up/ financing...

jerseyduke

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Just to fuel the debate more. (And I state before hand that 10+% to me is in general a bad deal)

For reference:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2823943

January 2001 VWL goes on sale at 72 per point.
If you were to buy 200 points, put 20% down, and finance the rest at 10.5%
Down payment: 2,880
Financed for 10 years at 10.5%: 11,520
Total paid to repay load: 18,654

Makes the total purchase price : 21534 or 107.67 per point

January 2011 (when the loan is payed off):

BLT is going for 130 per point.


i.e. price per point went up faster than 10.5%
 
Just to fuel the debate more. (And I state before hand that 10+% to me is in general a bad deal)

For reference:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2823943

January 2001 VWL goes on sale at 72 per point.
If you were to buy 200 points, put 20% down, and finance the rest at 10.5%
Down payment: 2,880
Financed for 10 years at 10.5%: 11,520
Total paid to repay load: 18,654

Makes the total purchase price : 21534 or 107.67 per point

January 2011 (when the loan is payed off):

BLT is going for 130 per point.

i.e. price per point went up faster than 10.5%

Pretty interesting... Financing will always be more expensive, but all in perspective.
 
Just to fuel the debate more. (And I state before hand that 10+% to me is in general a bad deal)

For reference:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2823943

January 2001 VWL goes on sale at 72 per point.
If you were to buy 200 points, put 20% down, and finance the rest at 10.5%
Down payment: 2,880
Financed for 10 years at 10.5%: 11,520
Total paid to repay load: 18,654

Makes the total purchase price : 21534 or 107.67 per point

January 2011 (when the loan is payed off):

BLT is going for 130 per point.


i.e. price per point went up faster than 10.5%

Except for the fact that you are comparing VWL to BLT. They are two separate resorts. In 2011 you could have bought VWL direct for $102, which is almost the equivalent of $72 in 2001 dollars and is less than the number your calculations produced.

I appreciate the attempt, but this is one of those situations where analyses bend and blur in order to prove a point. The bottom line is that when financing, you literally throw thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) of dollars away on finance charges. That is money you never get back and that you do not receive any benefit for. I think that is what people should be focusing on, and not these complex financial gymnastics meant to distract the eye from seeing the reality of paying interest.
 

Interesting topic.....though with the way prices are today there probably not many that can afford the full nut up front, especially at $130 a point.
 
Sorry, but I agree. The only people that dvc could make financial sense for are those that can pay the entire thing up front. Once you add finance charges and dues, forget it. To be honest I am shocked people buy through Disney. You can buy AKL at Disney for 133 per point or buy it resale for under 75. Big deal - you can't use it for the cruise or adventures. That's a ripoff anyways. Other than fear of what Disney might do to people who buy resale, there is no good reason to buy through Disney. At least not at AK or BLT. And I can't justify the additional 15 years for literally double the price, if you buy one of the older resorts resale.
 
Personally, I do not like financing, because it is like throwing money in the garbage. I've seen what it can do to people, family members and friends getting in over their heads.

But there are some things in life that we can't always get around, how can normal working class buy a house or a car without financing? We can't. The best we can do is get a good rate and try to pay it off early.

I'm not an expert with mathematics or accounting, or financial planning. I have learned from my parents mistakes, and my own, and made my own choices accordingly, and I think that DH and I have done pretty well with what we had to work with. I've always been really careful with spending, and always have tried to save. My dad never was concerned with paying off their house soon, and always had the mentality that he was benefiting from having the loan, since it's a tax deduction...:rolleyes1 I did the opposite.

If I knew about DVC years and years ago, I, against all my personal discipline and against my basic principle of not financing if it's possible, would have probably bought into it with at least a 100 point contract. It would have been an emotional purchase rather than logical one, it is a luxury that I would have wanted if I could have afforded it. DVC would have been my kryptonite, so I understand that people will continue to finance DVC even if it's a bad deal.

I can see the OP's point and most likely would have used this logic to say that in the long run, I would have had all the years of enjoyment and ended up paying less than the cash price after they raised the point cost.

There are extenuating circumstances to consider. For those who may not necessarily afford to purchase DVC outright, are those people purchasing $3-5k vacations and paying cash yearly? Are their buying habits undermining their ability to purchase DVC? If someone had a certain yearly vacation budget that was being spent anyways, wouldn't it be better used towards purchasing the timeshare they wanted? I don't know. I compare it to renting vs. owning. The rent money is going to be spent anyways. At least I would have had years and years of vacations...:wizard: But, we went the other route, didn't know about DVC until last year, and we bought a resale outright.

One thing sticks out in my mind the most is that DVC makes me happy. Hard to explain to other people, but just owning it makes me happier. Hard to put a price on that.
 
Personally, I think people should do what's right for them. For some, financing makes sense. For example we bought at Grand Californian when there were strong enough incentives that it made sense to buy, even though we had to finance.

But at the time, we also only had four car payments left on a car that should have lasted us another good 10 years. So, we were planning on throwing the money that we were spending on our car payment as extra to pay it off faster. The problem was a couple months later a drunk driver decided to hit it while it is parked on the street by our house. Well, that totaled the car and now we have a car payment.

That being said, we have looked at it and for us it still makes sense to keep our DVC membership, even with the financing based on the interest rate, dollar amount, etc. we still throw extra money at it when we can, but not as much as we were going to be doing.

Will we save money in the long run? Probably not, because if we didn't have it we would stay at the value resorts and quite often at a discount of some sort. But we will be able to stay in nicer accommodations and it will cost us just a bit more than staying in the values in the long run.

Bottom line is I don't compare cost of points from one year to another year, I compare the cost of points (including financing) to the cost of staying elsewhere.

Then there are the intangible benefits, such as it feeling more like a home away from home than a hotel room, the little extras you get by being a member around the parks, on the cruises, etc. In other words you feel like you get a little bit of special treatment being a member. Some of these things are difficult to put a price on.

Add in the fact that you know you will be taking a vacation every year and really that is why financing may make sense (maybe not on paper, but by good old gut feeling) for some people.

And yes, we made sure that we could easily afford the monthly payments, even with the car payments before purchasing because you never know what might happen.

The PP posted while I was writing this. The situation he describes is us. We would spend $3,000-$5,000 or so a year on the hotel room portion of our vacations to Disney World and were doing them yearly. It works out where about 5 years worth of these vacations will pay for the DVC membership. Things have happened that has slowed our ability to get that payed off in the 5 years we were planning on, the car, the economy, etc. So it will probably take us a little longer, but still not bad and then we won't have to pay for a room anymore. Just our yearly dues. So again, financing made sense, because we couldn't do the yearly trips and save the money to pay cash for DVC. Some might say skip the yearly trips for a few years, but it is truly one of the chances I get to recharge each year and my work has a use it or loose it policy with vacation. And since I get three weeks a year, I definitely need to use it somewhere. We usually do about 10 days at Disney World after about a week with my family for Christmas and then a few others throughout the year. By doing this at Christmas time, I get a couple of extra days as well. Usually this equates to about two weeks of my vacation time, unless the holidays land strange and they give us the week between Christmas and New Years off paid, which sometimes happens as well. So, as you can see I can get a fair amount of time off, leaving the idea of skipping vacations for a few years a very unappealing one.
 



















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