Can I ask all you conservative people a question?

[N.Bailey]

I think the reporting of crime in general hae gone up.. I think reporting of sexual crimes have probably risen the most because,finally the stima gien to the victims has started to go away.We have a long way to go,but a child being molested by his uncle is more likely to say somehting now,than he wa sin say 1950 ..
There were far more murders occuring percentage wise in the 17,1800's than there are now

I don't disagree with you, but I don't think with statistics like this that it's a very strong argument to say that while murder may have gone up, the others didn't. I do think mostly all murder has always been reported and I believe most crime in general has always been reported. You've got a point on rape/incest perhaps not carrying the weight that it does in today's courts, but just statistically alone, it's had to rise too.

 

[RobinMarie]

I would too, but how about your child watching two women on Howard Stern? Would you say the same then?

I don't think Howard Stern is a program suitable for children.

 

[N.Bailey]

While I don't have issues with gay people. I do prefer my kids not watch Stern, I don't watch Stern,and I expect they don't. I'd rather they didn't watch a male female couple get it on on stern,because I think he promotes emotionless sex and female sterietypes. I'd rate they saw two women on Stern than some of the senseless violence I see on TV. I'd rather they stumble across a loving , comitted couple having sex on screen that a scene from Kill Bill.
FTR it's happened when someone in the house has fallen asleep watching a movie on Cinemax and one of the kids has walked down to go to the bathroom and a *new* movie has started. I really think that repeated scenes of senseless violence are more harmful than,say the sex scene from the English Patient or Titanic

I just want to make it crystal clear that my opinion is the same as yours where gay people are concerned. I didn't ask that question because of personal opinions, but rather just if you'd think it appropriate for kids. I agree that it is not! And, just for the record, one of my best friends is gay.

I can admit that violence in TV and the big screen probably plays a part in violence too. I just find it funny how some can say it's one thing but can't possible be another. If you're saying the TV has that influence, then why can't see porn on that TV/monitor have influence as well?

I would NEVER wish it on anyone, but I think lots of opinions would change if it was your loved ones killed. God forbid that ever happens! It amazes me; though I understand, the changes in opinion that some people have when it does hit that close to home for them. This can run the gamut from the death penalty all the way down to violence in a video game.

 

[momof2inPA]

Momof2 - you get the idea!

You can't get to the next step without achieving the one before it.

Oh, gee, I remember that thing.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I just want to make it crystal clear that my opinion is the same as yours where gay people are concerned. I didn't ask that question because of personal opinions, but rather just if you'd think it appropriate for kids. I agree that it is not! And, just for the record, one of my best friends is gay.

I can admit that violence in TV and the big screen probably plays a part in violence too. I just find it funny how some can say it's one thing but can't possible be another. If you're saying the TV has that influence, then why can't see porn on that TV/monitor have influence as well?

I would NEVER wish it on anyone, but I think lots of opinions would change if it was your loved ones killed. God forbid that ever happens! It amazes me; though I understand, the changes in opinion that some people have when it does hit that close to home for them. This can run the gamut from the death penalty all the way down to violence in a video game.

My mother was molested as a child in the 190's..No one reported that sort of thing..She spent most of her life thinking it was her fault. But no one in my my family has died in that sort of situation.
I also think there is a difference between eeryday ordinary porn and child porn..One is not my thing,but is a fact of life..The other is harmful and thankfully illegal

 

[luvwinnie]

Guess what? I usually vote Republican and I listen to Howard too (used to all the time, then just didn't have time...now I will on Sirius).

 

[momof2inPA]

I hate the label pro-porn .. I think that what a full grown adult chooses to lok at is generally his own busines..Of course lines need to be drawn when it comes to child pornography and violent porn.. And I think internet porn laws need to be stronger

I said it that way for a reason. No porn, is good porn.

 

[momof2inPA]

Actually, I'm not joking at all and I think most every economic analyst I've heard has concluded the same EVEN those that are liberal.

Now, don't get me wrong, as a conservative, I actually liked Clinton and am perfectly willing to admit that he made some great choices for the country during his time in office. I just don't see one side of an issue though and I don't think it boils down to us vs. them. We're 1 country, when are we going to start acting like it?

The trickle down theory is nonsense. If there is anything Reagan proved, it's that trickle down economics doesn't work. Clinton created a positive economic environment. Bush has created a negative environment. I don't have to listen to economists for opinions, I can look at my investments.

 

[N.Bailey]

My mother was molested as a child in the 190's..No one reported that sort of thing..She spent most of her life thinking it was her fault. But no one in my my family has died in that sort of situation.
I also think there is a difference between eeryday ordinary porn and child porn..One is not my thing,but is a fact of life..The other is harmful and thankfully illegal

Why is child porn anymore harmful than other types (other than the harm to the child by taking their pic)? I agree with you btw, but to say one has the power to do X damage and not see that the other has that same power is just something I don't understand.

IMO, anyone looking at child porn is automatically a nutcase, just by the association. There are many nutcases out there who aren't looking at the child porn and getting that same type feeling. Because the deed itself doesn't distinguish who's sane and who's the psychopath when looking at adult porn, it's easier to pretend the same thing isn't happening in their minds.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Why is child porn anymore harmful than other types (other than the harm to the child by taking their pic)? I agree with you btw, but to say one has the power to do X damage and not see that the other has that same power is just something I don't understand.

IMO, anyone looking at child porn is automatically a nutcase, just by the association. There are many nutcases out there who aren't looking at the child porn and getting that same type feeling. Because the deed itself doesn't distinguish who's sane and who's the psychopath when looking at adult porn, it's easier to pretend the same thing isn't happening in their minds.

No,I don't think that every single person who views child porn is a nutcase,but I do think that is may skew some peoples perception as to what is *normal *and what is not.. Sex,with a willing,adult female is not the same as sex with a minor of any age..

 

[N.Bailey]

The trickle down theory is nonsense. If there is anything Reagan proved, it's that trickle down economics doesn't work. Clinton created a positive economic environment. Bush has created a negative environment. I don't have to listen to economists for opinions, I can look at my investments.

I never said trickle down, I said trickle up. The trickle down effect would produce a total opposite effect. You knew that though, right? I'll not argue about what Bush is doing, but Reaganomics has worked and that has been proven even by present day liberals. For you to say anything else just shows how informed you really are.

When Reagan took office, the rich were paying about $0.90 on every dollar to tax. You wanna tell me how jobs were created under that plan? It wasn't until that tax was lowered that these companies started hiring again. That did not happen overnight and a lot of it came into play during the Clinton years. Clinton got credit, but looking back, every analyst that I've ever heard speak on the subject says there was no way Clinton couldn't have had a good economy.

From there, Clinton made some good decisions for the country too.

As for Bush lowering taxes, the rich aren't paying $0.90 on every dollar, so by cutting taxes now, IMO he's hurting the economy. We can't pay for a war and get tax cuts, yada, yada, yada...... at the same time.

You look at your investments all you want, but there is a very good chance if it weren't for Reagan, you wouldn't have those investments to look at.

The history books will favor the Reagan administration quite well. IMO, you can take that one to the bank!

 

[JennyMominRI]

I never said trickle down, I said trickle up. The trickle down effect would produce a total opposite effect. You knew that though, right? I'll not argue about what Bush is doing, but Reaganomics has worked and that has been proven even by present day liberals. For you to say anything else just shows how informed you really are.

When Reagan took office, the rich were paying about $0.90 on every dollar to tax. You wanna tell me how jobs were created under that plan? It wasn't until that tax was lowered that these companies started hiring again. That did not happen overnight and a lot of it came into play during the Clinton years. Clinton got credit, but looking back, every analyst that I've ever heard speak on the subject says there was no way Clinton couldn't have had a good economy.

From there, Clinton made some good decisions for the country too.

As for Bush lowering taxes, the rich aren't paying $0.90 on every dollar, so by cutting taxes now, IMO he's hurting the economy. We can't pay for a war and get tax cuts, yada, yada, yada...... at the same time.

You look at your investments all you want, but there is a very good chance if it weren't for Reagan, you wouldn't have those investments to look at.

The history books will favor the Reagan administration quite well. IMO, you can take that one to the bank!

Except on the issue of AIDS... And that' said by someone who generally likes Reagan.. I wish Bush was on half the Human being Reagan was

 

[N.Bailey]

No,I don't think that every single person who views child porn is a nutcase,but I do think that is may skew some peoples perception as to what is *normal *and what is not.. Sex,with a willing,adult female is not the same as sex with a minor of any age..

I don't disagree, but you do realize that all child porn isn't only about children having sex? I don't think most of it is. It's mostly just naked pictures of children. Agree that it's wrong though and I hope they capture every pedophile in this country and lock them up for life.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I don't disagree, but you do realize that all child porn isn't only about children having sex? I don't think most of it is. It's mostly just naked pictures of children. Agree that it's wrong though and I hope they capture every pedophile in this country and lock them up for life.

Yes,good point

 

[N.Bailey]

Except on the issue of AIDS... And that' said by someone who generally likes Reagan.. I wish Bush was on half the Human being Reagan was

You do have me there!

I think in today's world, Reagan would feel differently. That's no excuse though!

As a conservative, I can't wait till the Bush administration is out of office. I'd love to see a Powell/Rice ticket, but it's not going to happen.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You do have me there!

I think in today's world, Reagan would feel differently. That's no excuse though!

As a conservative, I can't wait till the Bush administration is out of office. I'd love to see a Powell/Rice ticket, but it's not going to happen.

I like Powell,but not Rice

 

[N.Bailey]

I like Powell,but not Rice

Well, if she runs, we're bound to have a female president!

 

[eclectics]

Well, if she runs, we're bound to have a female president!

Doubtful. Lot's of people can't stand her, even if she was somehow able to get the Republican nomination.

 

[Free4Life11]

Sort of top with the current discussion, but I've never liked the philosophy "if you don't like it, turn it off." Why should I?? If I see something I don't agree with, why in the world should I simply ignore it? I think companies, stations, etc. should be held accountable for their programming/advertising, etc. I take a stand for some things I don't agree with, not all, but some. I think it's sick the way the hip hop and rap stars treat the women like meat. I could just turn off the TV or change the radio station and ignore it, but what good does that do?? I have the right to call a station and tell them I don't agree with it and make my voice known. And OTHER PEOPLE have the right to call a station and they ENJOY it. Public pressure is powerful and I think it's a right I cherish.

If you are that concerned about your entertainment choices going away, then you can whine and moan about how people are making choices for you. OR you could actually do something proactive: start a petition, call the station and tell them how much you enjoy something, etc.

In the end, it's the group who makes their voice the loudest that often "wins".

Frankly I'll never get mad at someone who exercises their right to stand up for what they believe in, whether it be getting rid of sex on TV or making sure Howard Stern is on primetime, broadcast TV.

 

[Free4Life11]

http://www.fcc.gov/

So I would have to disagree that the FCC "has never been forthcoming with the rules and regulations".

Oh I know they have a website. But what are the indecency standards?? It seems like the only time the FCC responds is if they get a complaint.

The FCC also has a history of being very very subjective. They fine FOX for showing some trashy reality show (man with a stripper in vegas or something), while Dr. Phil, in the middle of the afternoon, can discuss oral sex and husbands who like to, sorry for saying this, ejaculate in their wives mouths?? I am not kidding, I saw this one day and I was disgusted. There have been many times when I've forgotten to change the channel when Oprah comes on, again an afternoon show primarily, and the subject matter can get VERY raunchy!

What words can be said and not said? Does context matter? What nude body parts can be show? Does it differ at certain times? What subject matter is inappropriate??

These are the standards I'd like to know but I have trouble finding them.