Can I ask all you conservative people a question?

[momof2inPA]

Can you provide more information, a link perhaps with the 'republicans taking away all the fun'? Ive searched for this, and Ive found nothing.

This is what he was referring to:

"The reason I started this post was becuase now I hear FCC/Republicans want to go after satellite radios and pay channels on cable. I mean sorry but come on folks this is ridicoulous already. I am paying for that entertaiment........IT IS MY CHOICE"

It was in his second post on this thread, so maybe you missed it before you replied???

In my humble, liberal opinion porn is under-regulated. It's detrimental to society and the family, and I would bet that there are as many Conservative porn addicts as non-conservative. There have been a number of conservative preachers caught with their pants down in the past, if that's any indication.

 

[momof2inPA]

THe other side. "CHRIST"mas a christian holiday. Seems that the liberals want to change it to fit everyone. It is a holiday that celebrates Christ birth.

Maybe it's a regional thing, but I didn't notice that at all this year. If anything, there were more manger scenes displayed at private residences than past years and Christmas Eve mass was absolutely packed. So what, if there wasn't a Nativity scene at the courthouse, we can still always celebrate Christ in our own homes and in our hearts. I'm all for the separation of Church and state because, as Americans, we don't all worship the same way. It doesn't affect my family's observance of the holiday.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I don't disagree with you and thanks for the history lesson!

I don't think we can attribute rises in crime to any one thing specifically. There are many factors that come into play. How a child was raised is 1 factor. Economics IMO plays a HUGE part in crime, though many disagree with that too. More so than economics, I'd say education levels come into play and IMO, education is the KEY to really lowering our crime rates across the board. I also feel that porn plays a massive role as well. Now, I know the vast majority have no problems viewing porn, but the same can't be said of everyone out there. Go ask Sharon Rocha what her opinion of porn is. Go ask any family member that lost a loved one to rape/homicide. Many inmates have also gone on the record as saying porn played a huge role in their actions. Now, can you believe an inmate? Are they saying what they think their interviewer wants to hear? There are no clear cut answers, but I don't think they're all lying. Some had nothing to lose because they were being released from prison.

I don't think they are lying.I'm sure Porn has fed the sick fantasies of some.. And FTR I'm not a fan of Porn myself.. I just disagree with the idea that there are more sexual crimes now than there were say 100 years ago.I think they are just more likely to be reported and taken seriously,and that in fact the laws about what is a sexual crime have chaged..Just one example would be that marital rape was not recognized until around 1980 or so,and the fact that for centuries older men having sex with 12 year year old under the guise of *marriage * was commonplace..Nowday that man(rightfully so) is a pedophile.
I'd much rather live in this day and age where my DD can't expect to be sold off to the highest bidder before she hits puberty, to a man who can rape and beat her all legally .

 

[JennyMominRI]

We must have been on the same train of thought with our posts. I agree that poverty plays a major role in crime. Many disagree with that though. I even seen some totally blown away that the subject would even be brought up. They thought it was totally irrelevant.

Ah, see we agree on this.. I really don't see how anyone can disagree..Poverty makes people do almost anything

 

[RobinMarie]

I don't think they are lying.I'm sure Porn has fed the sick fantasies of some.. And FTR I'm not a fan of Porn myself.. I just disagree with the idea that there are more sexual crimes now than there were say 100 years ago.I think they are just more likely to be reported and taken seriously,and that in fact the laws about what is a sexual crime have chaged..Just one example would be that marital rape was not recognized until around 1980 or so,and the fact that for centuries older men having sex with 12 year year old under the guise of *marriage * was commonplace..Nowday that man(rightfully so) is a pedophile.
I'd much rather live in this day and age where my DD can't expect to be sold off to the highest bidder before she hits puberty, to a man who can rape and beat her all legally .

I agree. When we began treating women/girls/children as respected, valued members of society we saw an increase in reported crimes.

I also would not argue poverty produces increases in crime. It's the Maslow theory in action.

 

[momof2inPA]

Now that I've read the whole thread, I find it interesting that the Conservatives seem more pro-porn than the liberals. What does that mean and how does it fit in with the Christian conservative agenda? I'll have to think about it.

 

[N.Bailey]

I don't think they are lying.I'm sure Porn has fed the sick fantasies of some.. And FTR I'm not a fan of Porn myself.. I just disagree with the idea that there are more sexual crimes now than there were say 100 years ago.I think they are just more likely to be reported and taken seriously,and that in fact the laws about what is a sexual crime have chaged..Just one example would be that marital rape was not recognized until around 1980 or so,and the fact that for centuries older men having sex with 12 year year old under the guise of *marriage * was commonplace..Nowday that man(rightfully so) is a pedophile.
I'd much rather live in this day and age where my DD can't expect to be sold off to the highest bidder before she hits puberty, to a man who can rape and beat her all legally .

I really don't know how you can say this about rape when every aspect of crime across the board has gone up. Be it, murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny/theft, and vehicle theft. Are you saying none of this was reported earlier either, or are you saying, all these went up but rape stayed the same?

 

[momof2inPA]

I also would not argue poverty produces increases in crime. It's the Maslow theory in action.

I don't know what the Maslow theory is, but when people are hungry/ deprived enough, they will steal to eat or better their circumstance. Look at illegal immigration. It stems from poverty-- and it's a crime. Do you think if the standard of living in Mexico was the same as here, we would have the same problem with illegal immigration?

Also, crime decreased almost everywhere, when the economy improved under Clinton. Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Now that I've read the whole thread, I find it interesting that the Conservatives seem more pro-porn than the liberals. What does that mean and how does it fit in with the Christian conservative agenda? I'll have to think about it.

I do't know if I'm assumed to be a conservative on this thread or not,as I am one of the ones who doesn;t see a strong link between porn and sex crimes..FTR ,I'm a liberal..
I really think the violence in the media might have more effect on peope than porn... Janets ****ie caused a major uproar but violence is one TV every day with barely a cry.when my kids were younger,I preferred they saw neither,but frankly,I'd rather they saw Janet's breast than resevoir dogs.

 

[Talking Hands]

The reason I started this post was becuase now I hear FCC/Republicans want to go after satellite radios and pay channels on cable. I mean sorry but come on folks this is ridicoulous already. I am paying for that entertaiment........IT IS MY CHOICE

Personally I am a conservative Republican and I have no problem with Howard Stern being on satellite radio or cable tv that you have to pay for so long as he isn't on one that everyone has to pay for as the basic package. You want to pay to watch him that's your call. I perfer not to listen to him.

 

[N.Bailey]

I don't know what the Maslow theory is, but when people are hungry/ deprived enough, they will steal to eat or better their circumstance. Look at illegal immigration. It stems from poverty-- and it's a crime. Do you think if the standard of living in Mexico was the same as here, we would have the same problem with illegal immigration?

Also, crime decreased almost everywhere, when the economy improved under Clinton. Coincidence? I don't think so.

and you did mean to add that the Clinton administration fell on the heel of Reaganomics trickling up, right? I don't even think that's debatable anymore.

 

[momof2inPA]

I do't know if I'm assumed to be a conservative on this thread or not,as I am one of the ones who doesn;t see a strong link between porn and sex crimes..FTR ,I'm a liberal..
I really think the violence in the media might have more effect on peope than porn... Janets ****ie caused a major uproar but violence is one TV every day with barely a cry.when my kids were younger,I preferred they saw neither,but frankly,I'd rather they saw Janet's breast than resevoir dogs.

You're an exception and more what I expected to read- pro-porn freedom dems and anti-porn Christian righties.

 

[momof2inPA]

and you did mean to add that the Clinton administration feel on the heels of Reaganomics trickling up, right? I don't even think that's debatable anymore.

You're joking.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I really don't know how you can say this about rape when every aspect of crime across the board has gone up. Be it, murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny/theft, and vehicle theft. Are you saying none of this was reported earlier either, or are you saying, all these went up but rape stayed the same?

I think the reporting of crime in general hae gone up.. I think reporting of sexual crimes have probably risen the most because,finally the stima gien to the victims has started to go away.We have a long way to go,but a child being molested by his uncle is more likely to say somehting now,than he wa sin say 1950 ..
There were far more murders occuring percentage wise in the 17,1800's than there are now

 

[N.Bailey]

I do't know if I'm assumed to be a conservative on this thread or not,as I am one of the ones who doesn;t see a strong link between porn and sex crimes..FTR ,I'm a liberal..
I really think the violence in the media might have more effect on peope than porn... Janets ****ie caused a major uproar but violence is one TV every day with barely a cry.when my kids were younger,I preferred they saw neither,but frankly,I'd rather they saw Janet's breast than resevoir dogs.

I would too, but how about your child watching two women on Howard Stern? Would you say the same then?

 

[JennyMominRI]

You're an exception and more what I expected to read- pro-porn freedom dems and anti-porn Christian righties.

I hate the label pro-porn .. I think that what a full grown adult chooses to lok at is generally his own busines..Of course lines need to be drawn when it comes to child pornography and violent porn.. And I think internet porn laws need to be stronger

 

[N.Bailey]

You're an exception and more what I expected to read- pro-porn freedom dems and anti-porn Christian righties.

Why do you have to toss a label on someone because they don't see things the way you do? Every conservative isn't a Christian ya know!

 

[N.Bailey]

You're joking.

Actually, I'm not joking at all and I think most every economic analyst I've heard has concluded the same EVEN those that are liberal.

Now, don't get me wrong, as a conservative, I actually liked Clinton and am perfectly willing to admit that he made some great choices for the country during his time in office. I just don't see one side of an issue though and I don't think it boils down to us vs. them. We're 1 country, when are we going to start acting like it?

 

[RobinMarie]

I don't know what the Maslow theory is, but when people are hungry/ deprived enough, they will steal to eat or better their circumstance. Look at illegal immigration. It stems from poverty-- and it's a crime. Do you think if the standard of living in Mexico was the same as here, we would have the same problem with illegal immigration?

Also, crime decreased almost everywhere, when the economy improved under Clinton. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Momof2 - you get the idea!

You can't get to the next step without achieving the one before it.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I would too, but how about your child watching two women on Howard Stern? Would you say the same then?

While I don't have issues with gay people. I do prefer my kids not watch Stern, I don't watch Stern,and I expect they don't. I'd rather they didn't watch a male female couple get it on on stern,because I think he promotes emotionless sex and female sterietypes. I'd rate they saw two women on Stern than some of the senseless violence I see on TV. I'd rather they stumble across a loving , comitted couple having sex on screen that a scene from Kill Bill.
FTR it's happened when someone in the house has fallen asleep watching a movie on Cinemax and one of the kids has walked down to go to the bathroom and a *new* movie has started. I really think that repeated scenes of senseless violence are more harmful than,say the sex scene from the English Patient or Titanic