Can 5 people stay in 4 person room?

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nicksmom

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We're leaving for Disney on Saturday and are pretty sure we're signing on for the DVC, but.....in looking over everything one last time (I went thru the presentation last yr at VB w/o my husband) my husband noticed most rooms are for 4 people. We have a 7 yr, 2 yr and I'm expecting in July so we will soon be a party of 5. I don't mind and know the kids won't either, if we all squeeze into a 4 person room (since the next option is 8 person in most cases), but was not sure how Disney felt about this. Does anyone know the 'rules' on this? I'm sure we'd be ok for several years since the kids are young, but what happens when they are all older than 3yr???
Thx.
nicksmom
 
The DVC resorts have reported their occupancy as "sleeps" 4 in a studio or 1BR, 8 in a 2BR and 12 in a Grand Villa. All of these will allow an additional child under 3.

This is a very passionate topic for discussion, so I'll refer you to a current thread which will provide more insight into the situation.

<a href="http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140007"> Occupancy Debate (and other assorted concerns)</a>

Enjoy!
 
Yours is an issue that has been oft discussed and heatedly debated on these boards. For a 1BR or studio the stated max is 4 plus a child under 3 in a crib (thus 5 total in that situation but otherwise 4). Thus, in your current situation you will be within the stated max but not within it once all kids are 4 or over. BWV has dedicated studios with a daybed where max is stated as 5 and thus later you are safe there. Beyond that as to whether you can actually put 5 in a room for "4" is something that causes many to express strongly held opinions both ways. What actually happens is that Disney apparently allows it despite the stated max although it says the room does not have and Disney will not supply the extra bed. However, there is always the risk that Disney will decide later to enforce the 4 rule.
 
Personally, I couldn't imagine sleeping in a studio with three kids, a one bedroom offers little more comfortability.

With a two bedroom, the kids get their own room, you can stay up watching tv with the kids sleeping. The beauty of DVC is the comfort it allows us to experience.
 

Read through your documents carefully before you sign them. Remember that although the limits are not strictly enforced as written now, in the future you could find yourself in a situation that doesn't work for your growing family.
 
To answer your question, I think. . .

We have stayed in a studio plus with 6, within the rules. (Me, DW, 3 small kids and one infant in pack and play). It is a tight fit and there are some problems at bed time because it is difficult to do anything without disturbing the kids. Once they fall asleep you can watch TV, but you need to sit near the bathroom if you want light to read. It is also difficult to move around the room to get things ready for the next day. On the other hand, the kids are usually so tired that they fall asleep pretty easily and will stay asleep. Also, if you are like we are, you don't spend much time in the room anyway.

Then again, on the negative side, if one of the kids needs to take a nap the other kids and their chaperone need to stay out of the room for a while, be it an afternoon or morning. While it is not difficult doing this by spending time at the pool, it is a bit inconvenient having to stay out of the room.

Also on the negative side, the room gets a bit dirty with the kids eating in such a small space and housekeeping only every fourth day.

I don't think that it is fair that as a result of one additional child, or even an adult, changing your group from a party of 4 to a party of 5 ( a 25% increase) results in you having to more than double your spending on accomodations. Disney should offer a one bedroom option where the bedroom has two double or queen beds and the living room has a fold out bed, giving an occupancy of 6. They could even charge for the fifth and sixth persons in the room. An extra $10 or $20 charge per night should be in line with the increased wear and tear, extra towels etc. Or, I wouldn't mind paying more as long as it is in proportion to the extra number of people. i.e., a one bedroom for 6 would cost 50% more (dollars or points) than a one bedroom for 4.

That being said, although a studio plus was adequate, with the kids getting older, we bit the bullet and bought enough points to stay in a 2 bedroom. After staying in the 2 bedroom at HH I agree with Richyams, our vacation was much more enjoyable and relaxing with the kids having their own room. DW and I were able to entertain, watch TV, play cards, have dessert and coffee, etc. at our leisure ( I only wish it didn't cost so much more)
 
Disney in general would lose a small fortune if they strictly enforced the four person rule across their various resorts. Some families would trade up to a larger room or book two rooms, but thousands every year would stay elsewhere, making them more likely to visit Universal/SeaWorld etc.. Many of the other trickle down expeditures that go along with a vacation would be spent elsewhere as well.

DVC is a different story as the members are the owners and have a direct interest in the wear and tear on the facilities. But from Disney's standpoint I don't think they will ever care enough about that to enforce the four person rule, certainly not in a one-bedroom, especially when the extra person is a child.

Why do they have the rule then? I'm sure they've done every statistical study imaginable to make sure that whatever the policy is, it maximizes the bottom line. They ultimately compute the balance between profit and guest comfort... how crowded is the pool, how long a wait for an elevator, how many rings before housekeeping picks up the phone, THEY STUDY EVERYTHING! They compute an optimim number of guests that can be accommodated and average it amongst the number of rooms.

If they set the rule at four and enforce it, they would probably be below the <b>optimum</b> number of guests. But setting the rule at five, or not having a rule, might be too much (maybe inviting people to squeeze six). So they came up with a compromise that matched their statistics.

Let me put it this way, I would be willing to take the following wager. If Disney was made to stricly enforce (without any exception) an occupancy limit at DVC resorts, that limit would not be four to a studio/one bedroom, not in a million years. I invite anyone to survey their DVC guide with the following question. How would they like to pitch their prospect (family of five) four nights in a two bedroom off-season in place of their two week vacation at an on-sight Moderate (oh, and by the way you actually get to stay on the weekend once every four years!)? How would Disney like having that family spending four days a year instead of ten+ days a year at their theme parks, restaurants, gift shops, golf courses, night clubs, etc.? I don't think they would save enough on the re-fillable mugs to make up the difference :p.

So, are you breaking the rules? My answer is that it is a matter of semantics. There are laws and rules and guidlines and suggestions and recommendations. My advice is to tell Disney the truth at all times and do exactly as they say. If they tell enough people that the rule is four and there are no exceptions (if they do this and you sneak in five you are most definitely breaking the rules), they are going to have to change their marketing of the club significantly, and the resorts will take much longer to sell out. The fact that Disney even offers financing is a red flag that they are not marketing this thing to people who can matter-of-factly afford to stay five to a two bedroom [BTW, do the ladies maid and valet get their own studio in this case? What about the nanny and chef?:D]. If enough well-to-do DVCers are put off by the number of guests staying in a particular room, they may be successful in pressuring Disney into strictly enforcing an occupancy limit (turning the psuedo-rule/guideline into an actual rule, some might say). But they shouldn't be surprised when that limit turns out to be five to a studio and six to a one bedroom, that's all.

John
 
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And the heck with anything you sign.

Why do some people feel bound by their signature and agreement? Those wacky people.
 
If your guide tells you something different than is in the written contract (i.e. more than 4 is OK) ask him/her to put it in writing so there is no question later. It would be interesting to see if they would do it.
 
As always, this topic has turned into it's usual debate and will have to continue on the Debate Board.

Here is a link to an <a href="http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140007">ongoing discussion over there.</a>

Thanks!
 
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