California legalizes dogs in restaurants

[tvguy]

Sort of.
http://on.news10.net/1totA1h

 

[Luv Bunnies]

Interesting. I've been seeing dogs in restaurant patio areas in California for years. I had just assumed that it was up to each individual restaurant to set their own policy.

 

[LBIJim]

Sort of.
http://on.news10.net/1totA1h

Hopefully plenty of restaurants will choose not to participate.


P.S. Wasn't sure what to expect when I opened the thread. I know there are a lot of Vietnamese and other Asians in California, but.....

 

[luvwinnie]

awesome! We travel with our dog and have no problem finding places that allow this...the key of course is that dogs should be WELL BEHAVED. We once left because she was barking. Just antsy that day I guess. Not sure why. But I'd never have her annoying people and interrupting their pleasant dining experience. I'd be mortified if someone ever complained.

 

[bcla]

Seen it for years. Not really a priority for law enforcement.

I have seen signs at farmers' markets stating that dogs aren't allowed except for service animals.

 

[Ceila]

When we were in Europe, dogs were everywhere. All of the dogs were very well behaved, though. I'm not sure that I trust some people in the US to leave their dog at home if it can't behave properly.

 

[TLSnell1981]

When we were in Europe, dogs were everywhere. All of the dogs were very well behaved, though. I'm not sure that I trust some people in the US to leave their dog at home if it can't behave properly.

A big difference between entitled and responsible.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Nice to hear. We leave the dogs at home when it is so hot. But once in a while we do take them and it would be nice to sit outside while it is cooler for them and us to just eat out.

 

[Hrhpd]

Sort of.
http://on.news10.net/1totA1h

Meh, has been allowed in our area for years. Most outdoor patios even have water bowls on the patios for dogs.

Have never run into unruly dogs.

 

[Jeff in BigD]

On a surface level, it seems cool (as a dog owner), but I could see a few potential problems.
-Accessibility: Some businesses don't have direct access to their patio without going through the restaurant first.

-Messes: It's only a matter of time before someone refuses to clean up after their dog claiming that it's part of the full service package, expecting that it's the restaurant's responsibility.

-Fighting & Biting: Even the best behaved dogs act out if there's a perceived threat.

-Allergies: Assuming that some restaurants might allow inside dining (if the patio is full for instance), that completely disregards the customers & employees that are allergic to dogs.


I really have an issue with the so-called "anxiety dog" though. Legitimate service animals (like guide dogs) are amazing & go through rigorous training. No such training is required for an "anxiety dog" though. There needs to be a lot more scrutiny about this growing issue, but since it's tied to the ADA, no one really wants to address it.

Links:
Growing trend of people passing pets off as service dogs & how easy it is to fake it.

Plane Makes Emergency Landing After Dog Poops Twice in the Aisle

Fake service dogs a real problem at airports and other public buildings, experts say

The growing problem of fake service dogs

 

[usnuzuloose]

On a surface level, it seems cool (as a dog owner), but I could see a few potential problems.
-Accessibility: Some businesses don't have direct access to their patio without going through the restaurant first.

-Messes: It's only a matter of time before someone refuses to clean up after their dog claiming that it's part of the full service package, expecting that it's the restaurant's responsibility.

-Fighting & Biting: Even the best behaved dogs act out if there's a perceived threat.

-Allergies: Assuming that some restaurants might allow inside dining (if the patio is full for instance), that completely disregards the customers & employees that are allergic to dogs.


I really have an issue with the so-called "anxiety dog" though. Legitimate service animals (like guide dogs) are amazing & go through rigorous training. No such training is required for an "anxiety dog" though. There needs to be a lot more scrutiny about this growing issue, but since it's tied to the ADA, no one really wants to address it.

Links:
Growing trend of people passing pets off as service dogs & how easy it is to fake it.

Plane Makes Emergency Landing After Dog Poops Twice in the Aisle

Fake service dogs a real problem at airports and other public buildings, experts say

The growing problem of fake service dogs

Some dogs can act up. The one I have is perfectly with sitting next to my husband. The other has her moments, I put her in a dog stroller and fully enclosed. That way she won't bother anyone. I don't mind even if the patio is full and they can set up a table on the outside of it. I am not very picky. The one town we always visit is very dog friendly, so I know where to go and eat without any issues.

 

[HunterRose]

P.S. Wasn't sure what to expect when I opened the thread. I know there are a lot of Vietnamese and other Asians in California, but.....

I mean, seriously? How do eight people post after reading something like that and let it pass without comment? Is everyone here who reads this board okay with this?

I think the fact that Jim here seems to think what he said was perfectly fine is of more concern than whether dogs are allowed in restaurants.

 

[Jeff in BigD]

Some dogs can act up. The one I have is perfectly with sitting next to my husband. The other has her moments, I put her in a dog stroller and fully enclosed. That way she won't bother anyone. I don't mind even if the patio is full and they can set up a table on the outside of it. I am not very picky. The one town we always visit is very dog friendly, so I know where to go and eat without any issues.

Good point.
I'll go out on a limb & say that 99.9% of dog owners are the responsible sort & are considerate of what their dogs can & can't handle. Our dog is an older dog & she loves children, but she has no patience for over-active puppies, so we know to avoid dog parks. It's the .1% that will cause the drama.

Where I see it being an issue is that once it becomes a law (regardless of the actual points of said law), the sense of entitlement comes as a package deal. When it's viewed as a special treat or a privilege, people tend to be on their best behavior & are willing to compromise. The moment people start to perceive it as a right is when the crappy attitudes come out & any whiff of inconvenience is met with righteous indignation.


Meanwhile, a lot of beaches have banned dogs - which doesn't make sense in comparison.

 

[JanaDee]

I mean, seriously? How do eight people post after reading something like that and let it pass without comment? Is everyone here who reads this board okay with this?

I think the fact that Jim here seems to think what he said was perfectly fine is of more concern than whether dogs are allowed in restaurants.

And your point is...?

Some cultures eat dogs and cats. Some cultures eat beef. Some cultures eat bugs.

 

[kmb584]

I mean, seriously? How do eight people post after reading something like that and let it pass without comment? Is everyone here who reads this board okay with this?

I think the fact that Jim here seems to think what he said was perfectly fine is of more concern than whether dogs are allowed in restaurants.

While I personally would never eat dog meat there are several countries, mostly in Asia, where it's a diet staple. It's not right or wrong; it's part of their culture. For most people a dog is a pet but that isn't true worldwide. Many of the Hindu faith don't eat beef as they view cows to be sacred animals. Me? I love a good porterhouse. What's the difference?

 

[sunshinehighway]

I mean, seriously? How do eight people post after reading something like that and let it pass without comment? Is everyone here who reads this board okay with this?

I think the fact that Jim here seems to think what he said was perfectly fine is of more concern than whether dogs are allowed in restaurants.

Sometimes its best to just ignore some comments. People here believe all kinds of outrageous things and will defend all kinds of posts. It's not always worth it to get into it with them.

 

[tvguy]

I mean, seriously? How do eight people post after reading something like that and let it pass without comment? Is everyone here who reads this board okay with this?

I think the fact that Jim here seems to think what he said was perfectly fine is of more concern than whether dogs are allowed in restaurants.

Well, at least here in California, there are deep historic roots to that statement, whether we like to admit it or not.
In the city of Woodland, California a street was named Dead Cat Alley, named some time prior to 1873 (137 years ago) in the city's China town. It was so named because cats who wondered into the alley were eaten by the residents.

http://fromthedemocrat.com/specials/2007_150/heritage_story03.html

http://woodlandrecord.com/dead-cat-...sage-should-remain-open-from-cl-p2663-146.htm


https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...2!3m1!1s0x8084d0e5ab08cb77:0x5cd52dca4ee4914e

 

[bcla]

While I personally would never eat dog meat there are several countries, mostly in Asia, where it's a diet staple. It's not right or wrong; it's part of their culture. For most people a dog is a pet but that isn't true worldwide. Many of the Hindu faith don't eat beef as they view cows to be sacred animals. Me? I love a good porterhouse. What's the difference?

There's no place in the world where dog is a diet staple. It's generally a delicacy or luxury food. They're carnivores, and the raising of dogs for meat is very expensive. Now occasionally strays are rounded up, but my understanding is that dogs sold for meat are supposed to be fed specific diets that might affect the meat.

"Domesticated animals" are illegal to slaughter for meat or keep a carcass for meat in California. Farm animals are of course not considered domesticated animals, although horses were made illegal to slaughter for meat or consume in California because of a ballot initiative in the 90s.

 

[CPT Tripss]

A big difference between entitled and responsible.

Yep! Europeans are entitled to health insurance, lengthy paid maternity and child care leave, higher education, guaranteed benefit pensions and more.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Sometimes its best to just ignore some comments. People here believe all kinds of outrageous things and will defend all kinds of posts. It's not always worth it to get into it with them.

Report that type of offensive post . . .