Caitlyn Jenner

[Alice Royal]

Really?

Yes. I am not an 'average' young adult. I am autistic, but that has nothing to do with this conversation. If you have any more questions or insults, you may contact me privately.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Alice, while I admire your need to defend people and try to educate others, sometimes it falls on deaf ears and you'd probably do better for yourself if you were less condescending.

I don't agree with many posters here on a variety of topics and for a variety of reasons but it is what it is. No need to basically call people dumb and out of touch because of their age. She is not the first person to transition in 20 years.

You're not going to change the world on a Disney message board.

Perhaps put some of your tenacity out into the real world and maybe get some real results

(And there was no snark in any of that.)

 

[NewRVLady]

My "really" was in reference that all teenagers are repulsive

 

[Alice Royal]

Alice, while I admire your need to defend people and try to educate others, sometimes it falls on deaf ears and you'd probably do better for yourself if you were less condescending.

I don't agree with many posters here on a variety of topics and for a variety of reasons but it is what it is. No need to basically call people dumb and out of touch because of their age. She is not the first person to transition in 20 years.

You're not going to change the world on a Disney message board.

Perhaps put some of your tenacity out into the real world and maybe get some real results

(And there was no snark in any of that.)

^^Thank you for explaining that in the last bit--I actually do not understand spoken or written tone due to my autism. I currently am involved in plenty of LGBT+ and disability activism in the 'real world' these adults loooooove to talk about, and this is a really great opportunity to continue that.

I used to frequent the CB a few years ago and was often harassed about my age then, too. I see nothing has changed. Time to 'keep moving forward'.

 

[OhMari]

I hope every single person who has made ignorant and/or transphobic comments will eventually have to interact with a trans* person in their daily lives. Maybe then you'll understand why these basic principles of gender identity vs. biological characteristics/correct pronouns/basic common sense and courtesy are so important. What I'm saying here is not my opinion AT ALL. It is FACT. It is essential. It is confirmed by experts in the field of gender studies, psychology, and social justice. Those who stand around and say the things I've seen in this thread, to me, are like people staring at a blue sky screaming that it's purple. I do not know of any analogy I could make that would make you all understand the hurt that these misstatements cause. Until you have to see someone go through it who is close to you, you will never underst
I'm glad the new DIS has an 'ignore' feature.

My first was at Disney in February. checked in at the Beach Club, wiped my surprised look off my face and treated her like any other CM, just couldn't figure out the full beard.

I think Caitlin/Bruce at least waited till Kendale and Kylie were grown. I just don't get why he married Kris and had 2 more kids.

 

[hereyago]

I just don't get why he married Kris.

Do not even get me started on her,lol. The only one I like is Khloe from that brood.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Well, if he were the father of six children, it sure would be hard to call him female.

Why? Would you call someone named Chris, Tim? Then why call someone that wants to go by Caitlin and become a female Bruce? What harm does it do anyone to use Caitlyn and She? Absolutely none.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

The point is that he is still a man, even if he thinks he is not.

And that point is moot, even if you think it is not.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

How old do you think we all are

While I agree that suicide is a serious issue, I'm not sure you are preaching on the right platform here. Caitlyn isn't going to be bothered by some people on a Disney message board referring to her as he. Like a poster said, She has been a very public HE for decades. People are going to say what they are used to saying, there really is no other meaning behind it.

Let us not pretend that everyone on this thread that used Bruce and He and argued that Caitlyn was still a man in this thread did so out of mere force of habit.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm not one to put down Caitlyn and people like her but I admit that I can't wrap my mind around what it means to 'feel' like a man or 'feel' like a woman. To me you simply are whatever you are and I disagree that gender isn't physical at least to a point. However I would never ever look down on someone for changing because me not understanding isn't enough reason to disrespect that person's feelings.

 

[Art 1]

So if you knew someone who felt like a woman, physically looked like a woman with breasts and female genitalia, lived as a woman, you'd call her "he", or by her male name because she had been born with male DNA?

I would call him whatever he wanted to be called, including the King of Siam if he wished. And I would also make sure he felt comfortable around me. But I would also know what he is. And that is a man even if he thinks otherwise.

 

[sunshinehighway]

^^Thank you for explaining that in the last bit--I actually do not understand spoken or written tone due to my autism. I currently am involved in plenty of LGBT+ and disability activism in the 'real world' these adults loooooove to talk about, and this is a really great opportunity to continue that.

I used to frequent the CB a few years ago and was often harassed about my age then, too. I see nothing has changed. Time to 'keep moving forward'.

Perhaps you have a hard time on the CB because you have difficulty understanding tone. Maybe posters don't like you lecturing them, especially when you make assumptions and misinterpret them.
It's also ridiculous to lecture people on being tolerant and accepting of one group of people and turn around and make insulting comments about another group of people.

 

[ilovefh]

I'll have to see if I can find it, but there was a quote in the article I read where Caitlyn said that she is doing this publicly to help others. But then she also said something along the line of of course she is making money on it too, she has bills to pay. Basically she was acknowledging that yes, she is making money too.

ETA: Found it.
“I’m doing it to help my soul and help other people. If I can make a dollar, I certainly am not stupid. [I have] house payments and all that kind of stuff. I will never make an excuse for something like that. Yeah, this is a business..[but] you don’t go out and change your gender for a television show."

 

[Buzz-Light-Beer]

When I saw the cover photo I was amazed how good it looked. Caitlyn Jenner looked incredible. She should be really proud and happy with herself.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I'll have to see if I can find it, but there was a quote in the article I read where Caitlyn said that she is doing this publicly to help others. But then she also said something along the line of of course she is making money on it too, she has bills to pay. Basically she was acknowledging that yes, she is making money too.

ETA: Found it.
“I’m doing it to help my soul and help other people. If I can make a dollar, I certainly am not stupid. [I have] house payments and all that kind of stuff. I will never make an excuse for something like that. Yeah, this is a business..[but] you don’t go out and change your gender for a television show."

I think it's the anything to make a buck attitude that turns me off from the whole thing. Again let me be clear, my negativity towards this has nothing to be with the transgender people in general. I don't think a transgender person should hide in shame, be ridiculed or anything like that. My negative thought on this are all about the Kardashians machine that Caitlyn is clearly a part of.
It's all great and noble to say you are doing this to help people but how is a mindless reality show about things like learning to golf with boobs (yes, that has been given by people involved with the show as the type of things the show will deal with) any different from any of the other crap on E!

 

[NewRVLady]

It's also ridiculous to lecture people on being tolerant and accepting of one group of people and turn around and make insulting comments about another group of people.

exactly


I do still think of this person as "him" out of habit-I have been watching him for so long on the Kardashian show (I now don't watch it) I found him to be very submissive and tolerating lots of put downs by his family-esp Kris. It was disturbing to watch

 

[SLP958]

I hope for Caitlyn/Bruce that this makes her happy. She does look really good though.

I think we have seen photoshop at its finest.

 

[ilovefh]

I think it's the anything to make a buck attitude that turns me off from the whole thing. Again let me be clear, my neg activity towards this has nothing to be with the transgender people in general. I don't think a transgender person should hide in shame, be ridiculed or anything like that. My negative thought on this are all about the Kardashians machine that Caitlyn is clearly a part of.
It's all great and noble to say you are doing this to help people but how is a mindless reality show about things like learning to golf with boobs (yes, that has been given by people involved with the show as the type of things the show will deal with) any different from any of the other crap on E!

I get what you mean. But I appreciate the honesty. I appreciate her owning the fact that she is making money off this.

 

[cabanafrau]

Well, I am a young person, but that just means that I've spent more time being aware of the LGBT+ community and therefore I DO know more about the terms and etiquette. I stand by my original point. This media surge is an educational moment for those generations who have not been aware of the trans* community. It's time to stop making snide comments or gossiping about these issues and start learning what it's like to be in a world where more and more people are brave enough to come out regardless of what people say. I'll stop being 'pedantic' when trans* people stop killing themselves because they're too afraid of being attacked for who they are.

I may not always use the pronouns as you wish to dictate them, however I did not and will not attack anyone because of who they are. Demanding a pronoun change within hours of photos and a Twitter account appearing is simply a knee jerk goosestep in an attempt to appear politicly correct and/or tolerant. That is meaningless drivel on the surface. I treat people with the respect they deserve -- all people. I find that works anywhere, anytime, with anybody. IMO the minute you start singling people out for deferential treatment it seems as if you're implying they are some how less than and you are benevolently granting them something from your perch above them. It also keeps opening divides between people, perpetuating animosity and fear.

As for your youth granting you more time to be aware of the LGBT community, I don't see the logic in that statement. What I do see is blatant intolerance of those in a different generation to yourself. I guess it's not politicly correct or trending on Twitter or Instagram right now to accord people of a different age or generation with either respect or tolerance.

 

[NewRVLady]

Well, I am a young person, but that just means that I've spent more time being aware of the LGBT+ community and therefore I DO know more about the terms and etiquette. I stand by my original point. This media surge is an educational moment for those generations who have not been aware of the trans* community. It's time to stop making snide comments or gossiping about these issues and start learning what it's like to be in a world where more and more people are brave enough to come out regardless of what people say. I'll stop being 'pedantic' when trans* people stop killing themselves because they're too afraid of being attacked for who they are.

I might be old enough to be your grandma-but I was studying art in the "swinging 60's" and there sure were a lot of lesbians and gays back then. I have even been in the Ladies Bathroom during a Big gay Mardi Gras ball with some transgendered or cross dresser individuals-about 20 years ago -its not a new phenominon