Cables for Transferring Video - Does it Matter?

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I have a Sony HD Camcorder. I don't really know a lot about it at this point. I have some video of Christmas Wishes and MVMCP. I transferred the videos to my PC with the USB cable and the video does not look good like it does on my camcorder.

There is an HDMI cable option. If I go purchase the HMDI mini and use that to transfer the video with, will I notice a difference? I also notice that when I take the videos I currently have on my PC to YouTube that the quality is lost - I am wondering if they would have looked better on YT if I would have transferred them with the HDMI Mini.

Any thoughts or experience on this would be greatly appreciated.
 
It could improve quality if you are streaming to a device, but that does not sound like what you are doing. A transfered file is the same file it was on the device. The quality cannot change unless some type of compression is taking place. So, it is possible a program used to transfer the file changed the quality, but the cable should not have been a factor.
 
You cannot "transfer" with an HDMI cable, from a practical standpoint.

I know my Canons allow transfer as DVD OR transfer as HD. Check your settings in your xfer program, or better yet, just copy the files and THEN deal with them on the PC.

What are you using to play the video back? Is it an HD player (player that supports HD) or is it down-converting everything to 480p?

Your video should probably be excellent quality unless you set something to save recording space which overly compressed it. Remember that "excellent" on your camcorder is on a 4" screen. It's easy to make video look good on a screen that small.

Like I said, I suspect your video is fine. Something else is likely going on here.

BTW, YT is a POOR evaluator of what your video looks like. The YT uploaders compress the hell out of everything. It's fine for what it is and it should look decent, but don't use it as your standard of quality.
 
Thank you for this information. :) So if I am understanding correctly, "fine" does not mean best quality, although on a DSLR, it takes up more space and pixels?

I will need to go into the settings of the camcorder and check it out.

When the video transfers to my computer, it uses PMB, which is what came with the Sony. I have used 3 different applications to play it back and all 3 are pretty cruddy looking. When I put it on my TV, which is HD, the quality looks the same as it does on my video camera screen, although my TV is 55".



I agree with you about YT and the quality. I did expect better, however. Just so you can see what I am comparing it to:

Here is my video taken with an HD camera:
Indoor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBs_8_snCwk
Outdoor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBs_8_snCwk


Here is video taken by somebody else that I found on YT. This was shot at night, which is usually very grainy and this looks amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMywRKwKfYA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLC84AD34623A393A4
 

What you posted is most certainly HD. Both links link to the inside the villa footage though, so it's hard to tell what your well/better-lighted footage may have looked like.

PMB most certainly COULD HAVE done something to the footage. I don't know anything about it. Somewhere on your camera or a card in it are the native .mp4 files. Taking them off via copying them and pulling them into something like Premier Elements is about the only way to truly know what you've got. You've got to get the native files into a disinterested third party software to see what they really look like, IMO.

Again, on the camcorder you're looking at the same number of pixels jammed into a 4" screen (basically). Of course it's going to look better than on a 55" set but your video should look basically as good as your 6:00 local newscast in HD (within reason, of course).

Post a link to the YT of the outside stuff. I'd like to see it.

I have a ton of recordings I've done of Wishes! with everything from my iPhone 3Gs to my iPhone 4s and every pocket camcorder and the top of the line Canon camcorders and even a 60D and all of mine look just as good as the guys link you posted. Yours should look that good too if you had your settings right.

What MODEL Sony is it?

I'm not sure what nomenclature your Sony camcorder uses (I'm a Canon man.) but Fine is generally reserved for DSLR stuff but your camcorder should have something similar. You don't have to use the highest setting to get acceptable results, if that's what you're asking.
 
I gotta be honest with you. I'm not sure what your expectations were/are. That video, albeit maybe a little over-exposed, looks fine to me. It's certainly noticeably HD, even on YT. I could critique it to death, as I could most of my own, but at the end of the day, it's perfectly fine for homemade video. There's nothing inherently wrong with it.

What do you think's wrong with it? Does it look like this on your PC? I'm missing something here and I'm trying to get you to tell me exactly what you see that I don't.

That 150 is not Sony's top-end consumer solution, but it's certainly a capable camera for shooting consumer HD video. I'm not going to get into the Canon v. Nikon v. Sony thing here. That's been argued ad-nauseum. What you have is a perfectly capable camcorder when used correctly.

So let's analyze this together. Exactly what's wrong and let's see if we can try to help you fix it during production next time if you can. Lots of things can be fixed in post too with the proper tools.
 
First, I want to say thank you for being willing to help. That means loads to me! :)

The outdoor footage to me looks fine. That was (literally) my first time using the camera and my only complaint on that was really of my own doing, which is the shakiness and zoom. The zoom is very sensitive and I have not really used it enough to know when too much is too much - if you understand what I mean.

The indoor and night footage is where my complaint is. It seems quite grainy. On my PC, the quality is not quite like that, so I know some of it is what YT does when moving the data over. For example, I shot Christmas Wishes in December and it looks really horrible to me, nothing like the one I posted above from Sunocox on YT. Maybe he has professional equipment, but I was expecting something better than grainy footage.

I shot my daughter's baptism, which was outdoor, and it looks awesome - I also used a tripod. Maybe that is what the biggest issue is as far as what I am looking for vs what I am getting. Just like the difference with using a tripod with my DSLR. Also, I have been using Windows Live Movie Maker - I work in SW, so I contacted my Adobe rep today to ask for a copy of Premiere Elements. I will see if that makes a difference.
 
I think your inside video looks just fine. Now you're into the fine element of arguing a $500 v. $1500 camcorder. The real difference is how they deal with available light. That's the biggest thing you really pay for when spending more money on a camcorder, IMO.

White balance seems to be a much bigger problem for me. I NEVER use auto-white balance and would suggest that you might see an improvement in the quality of your inside and outside video if you learn to manually white balance your camera for conditions before you begin shooting. Sometimes the moment requires you to do the best you can in the moment but when you can prepare, there's a lot you can do to make things better and to make the situation favor you.

As far as zoom goes, all the image stabilization in the world (at least until you jump into REAL stabilized cameras and mounts which can run into the thousands of dollars) isn't going to help when you're zoomed in to a long focal length. All the long focal length does is to amplify the shakes and though consumer image stabilization has come a long ways, it's still in its infancy IMHO. We'll get there but we just aren't there yet, at least not at a cost effective solution.

Having said that, most people zoom WAY TOO MUCH, especially when shooting video. Why? Because they can. They don't really know why. It just seems cool, I guess. If you're going to zoom, zoom first and then start the sequence. End it and zoom out. The next time you're watching your local news, notice that most zooms are done in segments. You never see pros zoom much at all and if they do, they segment it in edit. Zoom with your feet whenever you can and stay wide angle (short focal ranges/not zoomed). That's always the BEST choice, IMO. When you need it, use it, but use it sparingly and for emphasis between segments.

Movie Maker is a nice bait and switch. It's not bad, but Premier Elements is a two magnitude leap over it. PE also has quite a learning curve so be prepared to spend some time learning it. If you're really into making memories by video, and it's obvious that you are from your YT posts, it will be time well invested.

LEarn to get the videos off your camera in RAW (file copying) form and then dealing with them in PE. You'll be glad you did. BTW, you can DL a fully functional 30 day copy of PE from Adobe while you wait for your copy to come in. All you need is the key that will come with your copy to activate it. It's not even necessary to uninstall and reinstall it.

I think your work looks good. You're probably like me and you're probably your own worst critic. Do that but be constructive with yourself and remember this is a hobby for enjoyment, not a job. ;)
 
Thank you very much for your help. I will see how PE works out and let you know. :)
 

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