CA DVC first dibs not really fair for old timers who live in CA

[disneydawn6]

I live in Nothern CA and bought DVC back in 2001 before there was a DVC in CA. My guide is in FL. While I was at Disneyland last week, I visited the DVC there. I was thinking of switching my guide to a CA one since I am only 400 miles from Disneyland. and 3000 from WDW. Anyway when I was there the guide in CA told me that people who bought out in CA would get the first priority on buying at the Grand Calif 50 units. Now this is a small amount of units and I'm sure they will go fast. I do not think it's fair since I live in CA that I can not get some sort of priority too. DVC was not at CA when I bought in. If it was I certainly would have bought in CA since that it where I live. But since I bought before they opened DVC, I will not even get a change to buy until people who bought later in CA get their chance.

Do you think that is fair????

 

[Deb & Bill]

When we were at DL last year, I talked to a Guide who told me a few wrong things as well.

Did you plan to do an add on or an entirely new contract?

 

[disneydawn6]

I just want to add on...

 

[MikeChan408]

Anyone know a direct number to get to california DVC?

 

[robinb]

Do you think that is fair????

No, I don't think it's fair to give priority to people who bought in a certain state or who live in a certain state. I don't believe that you should have a priority either just because you live in California.

If it makes you feel better I think that there will be plenty of points for you to buy at the Grand Californian as long as you purchase in the first few weeks that the points are available to the rest of us.

 

[wdw4life]

When we were at DL last year, I talked to a Guide who told me a few wrong things as well.

This is absolutely true. I have had it confirmed by two different DVC staff high in management and my guide in Florida confirmed it with management yesterday.

In answer to the OP's question no I do not think it is fair. The reason I was given that they are doing this is stupid. I bought in '03, almost two years before DVC even had a sales staff at DLR. So why am I, or anyone else, being penalized because we were unable to purchase our original master contract at DLR? At least DVC is not tying up all GCV points in the Founding Members program. There will be points available for the rest of us to buy even if every Founding Member added on the 160 points they have been guaranteed.

 

[RobDoc]

This may be because CA is the only state where DVC is currently registered to sell at that resort. Once other states have approved sales to their residents for the GCV resort you will be bale to purchase by simply calling your guide, but until that time sales are only open to those who buy in person at DL.

Stay Tuned!

 

[drusba]

From OPs post, that doesn't sound like the reason. They are apparently giving preference to those who purchase at Disneyland, regardless of which state they come from, and the OP, who actually lives in California is not getting such preference because he bought through a Florida sales rep. If California was the only registered state he should still be able to purchase by calling a California guide if the true reason was that registration exists only in California. They are just setting a rule to sell only at DLR when it begins.

I would guess the real reason is that they want this to be DLR not just a DVC promo at the start and they want to see early how well they do selling on-site property to people who are on the site when they buy.

I personally don't believe it is going to be much of an issue as they will have plenty to sell after the intial promo.

 

[RobDoc]

From OPs post, that doesn't sound like the reason. They are apparently giving preference to those who purchase at Disneyland, regardless of which state they come from, and the OP, who actually lives in California is not getting such preference because he bought through a Florida sales rep. If California was the only registered state he should still be able to purchase by calling a California guide if the true reason was that registration exists only in California. They are just setting a rule to sell only at DLR when it begins.
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If DVC is only registered to sell in CA, perhaps buyers cannot purchase thru their FL guide. Onsite at DL is the only way these early buyers are able to purchase. It would seem that no one is able to purchase from WDW at this time and only those physically at DL can purchase.

If there are other legal ramifications, please feel free to clarify.

 

[ACDSNY]

I'm not happy with this either; however, I think there will be enough points that we'll still get to add-on at GC. If we miss out I'll be one unhappy camper! I've been waiting for DVC at DL for many years.

 

[castleri]

If DVC is only registered to sell in CA, perhaps buyers cannot purchase thru their FL guide. Onsite at DL is the only way these early buyers are able to purchase. It would seem that no one is able to purchase from WDW at this time and only those physically at DL can purchase.

If there are other legal ramifications, please feel free to clarify.

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

 

[nunzia]

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

Really? Well, Heck..I don't want and can't really afford 160 points at DGC

 

[RobDoc]

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

Thanks for that information.

I would appear that the "DL only" policy is by design then. Once they have given the initial opportunity to DL buyers then others may be able to purchase add-ons at GCV. I'd be surprised if that opportunity was not available - but until that is the case it would seem that buying while at DL is the only option.

 

[wdw4life]

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

I thought is was odd that the only other state GCV was registered to sell in, other than CA and FL, was IL. Now I realize it's because of the new sales center there.

It is my understanding Founding Members can add on any amount they choose. The 160 points is just what they have been guaranteed will be available to them for an add on if they want that many. I don't know if there are any restrictions should they choose to add on more than the 160.

 

[castleri]

Found the following on another thread but couldn't figure out how to post a link so will just post the part I copied. The part about the 160 points could mean either of the intrepretations mentioned already.

From thread about staying at GC.
I spoke with a guide about the GCV. He confirmed that sales will initially be open to members who bought their master contract at DLR only. He said that there is a clause in those contracts guaranteeing that those members will be able to buy 160 points before the rest of the membership is able to purchase. He also said that once sales are open to the rest of the members that it will be open to everyone, general public included. So anyone who bought their master contract elsewhere or just did an add on at DLR will be on the same playing field as a non member

Just realized the thread was one you started wdw4life so guess you probably have a better understanding since you spoke with a guide.

It will be interesting to see how it is marketed when they officially open sales.

 

[wdw4life]

Found the following on another thread but couldn't figure out how to post a link so will just post the part I copied. The part about the 160 points could mean either of the intrepretations mentioned already.

From thread about staying at GC.
I spoke with a guide about the GCV. He confirmed that sales will initially be open to members who bought their master contract at DLR only. He said that there is a clause in those contracts guaranteeing that those members will be able to buy 160 points before the rest of the membership is able to purchase. He also said that once sales are open to the rest of the members that it will be open to everyone, general public included. So anyone who bought their master contract elsewhere or just did an add on at DLR will be on the same playing field as a non member

I am the OP of that thread. I should have written buy up to 160 points. That is the limit that is guaranteed as far as I know. I have no idea if there are any restrictions if a Founding Member wanted to do an add on greater than that but they will be able to add on less if they so desire. At least that's what I was told.

 

[dragonflymom]

I also spoke with my guide as well as a high level Sales Manager. The Sales Manager emphasized that the volume (sales through Disneyland) is a tiny, tiny fraction of the volume through WDW and he is skeptical that Founding Members will be able to purchase all of the available points for GC DVC.

My guess is that the DL guides really need this perk to keep DVC sales at DLR from stalling. Without this perk, I can even see sales volume going down at DLR when prospective buyers learn that new GC DVC sales is on the horizon--why commit 160 points now when they can do so in a year (or two) for a DVC that they truly want? I believe that people who purchase onsite at DL probably have a strong connection to DLR and are geographically more closely located to DLR than WDW, otherwise they would have purchased through a WDW guide. I personally believe this sales tactic may just work to snag people on the fence. I know for one I'm tempted to look for any way to become a Founding Member!

 

[dwelty]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

 

[nunzia]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

How about add ons for existing members..not founding members...of under 160 points?

 

[wdw4life]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

This is the reason I was given also and I think it is stupid.