Buying multiple tickets for more fastpasses

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This.

If you buy a ticket for a flight, you get one seat. If "space is valuable" to you, (to paraphrase), you buy two tickets and get two seats. If space is really valuable to you, you buy three seats and occupy a whole row. If time is valuable to you, you buy two tickets for park entrance. If it is really valuable, then you buy three. Now, I suppose one could argue that if you are linking these tickets to a room reservation and lying about how many people are actually going to occupy the room, then a wrong has been committed. But if you book a room and get the proper number of tickets for the actual number of people, and then supplement those tickets with extras that are bought from Disney or Undercover Tourist, I can't see how that could be twisting the system or breaking a rule. Granted, those extra tickets can't be used to book FP+ 60 days ahead of time and would have to be activated and used to book FP+ on the day of use. But I hardly think that matters. One can pre-book 3 FP+ and then add on 3 (or 6) more once in the park and still do quite well. I don't really see this as being any different from someone in 1975 who bought two "11 Adventure Coupon Books" instead of the one that most people would buy.

I would think lying about the number of people in your room in order to get extra DP credits or extra magic bands to get more FP's is definitely scamming the system if not downright blatantly breaking the rules.

Buying extra tickets to use two in a day rather than one may not be breaking official rules but since they don't let you use two days on a park pass in the same day to enter two different park that implies they want one pass per person not people using multiple passes per day.

I look at it like this......the pass entitles you to certain things, access to rides, 3 FP+'s, access to shows and everything else the park has to offer. Just like buying an airline ticket entitles you to a seat and going to the Jersey Shore entitles you to take a dip in the ocean. So, let's say you don't like the experience you get when you go to the shore because the water is too salty. Do you demand they provide areas of fresh water for you to swim in or do you go somewhere else that provides the experience you want?

With the airplane example, if space is important to you and you don't like the space you are entitled to you with your one ticket so you throw money around to make the experience fit your comfort level. Say you bought out three entire seats so you could stretch out to your hearts content. Do you ever stop to think about the two people who perhaps tried to get seats on that flight and couldn't because you are hogging three of them?

Say you buy extra park passes for your family of 4 to access 3 extra FP+'s each on Thanksgiving weekend when the park is in real danger of being closed due to capacity. The park gets busy and the computer thinks they are at capacity and closes because they think there are more people there than actually are. Is it fair to the family of four that got there after the park closed to capacity that they can't get in because you're hogging twice as many places in the computer than you should simply because you didn't want the experience with lines that come with a theme park visit?

Perhaps I am unusual in that I try to think of how my actions affect other people but that is how I think of these situations. We are likely going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

 

[Robo]

Buying extra tickets to use two in a day rather than one may not be breaking official rules but since they don't let you use two days on a park pass in the same day to enter two different park that implies they want one pass per person not people using multiple passes per day.

The "one-park-per-day" on a MYW ticket does not imply that at all.

That rule is distinctly about the rule of "park hopping."
Guests must pay for a Hopper option in order to park hop.

A guest may certainly choose to buy more than one stand-alone ticket
to enter a second (or more) park(s,) if they like.

 

[FireDancer]

If someone wants to buy a second ticket just to get 3 more FP+ reservations I think Disney would be quite happy. I think they will end up selling additional FP+'s eventually anyway either directly or indirectly via incentives for on-site stays or upgrades and I am 100% on-board with that scenario.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I would think lying about the number of people in your room in order to get extra DP credits or extra magic bands to get more FP's is definitely scamming the system if not downright blatantly breaking the rules.

Buying extra tickets to use two in a day rather than one may not be breaking official rules but since they don't let you use two days on a park pass in the same day to enter two different park that implies they want one pass per person not people using multiple passes per day.

I look at it like this......the pass entitles you to certain things, access to rides, 3 FP+'s, access to shows and everything else the park has to offer. Just like buying an airline ticket entitles you to a seat and going to the Jersey Shore entitles you to take a dip in the ocean. So, let's say you don't like the experience you get when you go to the shore because the water is too salty. Do you demand they provide areas of fresh water for you to swim in or do you go somewhere else that provides the experience you want?

With the airplane example, if space is important to you and you don't like the space you are entitled to you with your one ticket so you throw money around to make the experience fit your comfort level. Say you bought out three entire seats so you could stretch out to your hearts content. Do you ever stop to think about the two people who perhaps tried to get seats on that flight and couldn't because you are hogging three of them?

Say you buy extra park passes for your family of 4 to access 3 extra FP+'s each on Thanksgiving weekend when the park is in real danger of being closed due to capacity. The park gets busy and the computer thinks they are at capacity and closes because they think there are more people there than actually are. Is it fair to the family of four that got there after the park closed to capacity that they can't get in because you're hogging twice as many places in the computer than you should simply because you didn't want the experience with lines that come with a theme park visit?

Perhaps I am unusual in that I try to think of how my actions affect other people but that is how I think of these situations. We are likely going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

We will have to agree to disagree, because these types of views are tied to our political leanings. The comment in bold makes your political view pretty clear. This isn't about people "gaming" the system, it is about people having the means to buy more and leveraging that means.

The thing is, as we go through life our political leanings tend to change as our means change. You may feel this way today, and feel completely differently a year after winning the lottery.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

If someone wants to buy a second ticket just to get 3 more FP+ reservations I think Disney would be quite happy. I think they will end up selling additional FP+'s eventually anyway either directly or indirectly via incentives for on-site stays or upgrades and I am 100% on-board with that scenario.

The fact that people are talking about it demonstrates a market for the product. IMO, there is no way that Disney will ignore a market that generates almost 100% profit. It would cost them nothing to implement or manage this. Every cent drops straight to the bottom line.

 

[morethananyonex]

Using Disney's rule that you can't use more than one day from a ticket per day to reason that they would be against the purchase of two tickets to do the same thing is all kinds of incorrect. In one scenario you are using their decreasing cost per day to your advantage to get around purchasing a park hopper. In the other scenario you are paying double for your tickets, much more than the cost of a park hopper.

It's pretty obvious why one is perfectly fine with Disney, although a giant waste of money if not considering the FP+.

 

[magicbob]

I would think lying about the number of people in your room in order to get extra DP credits or extra magic bands to get more FP's is definitely scamming the system if not downright blatantly breaking the rules.

Buying extra tickets to use two in a day rather than one may not be breaking official rules but since they don't let you use two days on a park pass in the same day to enter two different park that implies they want one pass per person not people using multiple passes per day.

The "one-park-per-day" on a MYW ticket does not imply that at all.

That rule is distinctly about the rule of "park hopping."
Guests must pay for a Hopper option in order to park hop.

A guest may certainly choose to buy more than one stand-alone ticket
to enter a second park, if they like.

If someone wants to buy a second ticket just to get 3 more FP+ reservations I think Disney would be quite happy. I think they will end up selling additional FP+'s eventually anyway either directly or indirectly via incentives for on-site stays or upgrades and I am 100% on-board with that scenario.

Using Disney's rule that you can't use more than one day from a ticket per day to reason that they would be against the purchase of two tickets to do the same thing is all kinds of incorrect. In one scenario you are using their decreasing cost per day to your advantage to get around purchasing a park hopper. In the other scenario you are paying double for your tickets, much more than the cost of a park hopper.

It's pretty obvious why one is perfectly fine with Disney, although a giant waste of money if not considering the FP+.

Agreed. You cannot use another day on a multi-day ticket to hop (or for that matter to re-enter the same park), but there is a monetary reason for that (adding an extra day costs less than adding park hopper). However, you absolutely CAN purchase and use a separate one-day ticket to enter another park on the same day (or by extension to re-enter the same park... but there was never a reason to contemplate doing so until now). This costs MORE than adding park hopper.

From Disney's perspective, spending more=good.

Now, lying about the number of people in the room to get additional entitlements you AREN'T paying for?

All I can say is lying=bad.

 

[yesmylove]

l like the fast pass system but sometimes l think life was easier before it existed, everyone was on equal footing. Just my thoughts.

 

[Turn the Page]

We will have to agree to disagree, because these types of views are tied to our political leanings. The comment in bold makes your political view pretty clear. This isn't about people "gaming" the system, it is about people having the means to buy more and leveraging that means.

The thing is, as we go through life our political leanings tend to change as our means change. You may feel this way today, and feel completely differently a year after winning the lottery.

Many people do feel they have the right to leverage any and all situations in their favor by throwing money at anything they don't like.......that doesn't always make it right for you to affect anyone else's vacation experience because you have enough cash to do so.

If you have the cash to go on a Keys to the Kingdom tour that's great, knock yourself out. That doesn't affect anyone else's park experience. You start buying more tickets to get more fast passes and that may affect other peoples ability to get the fastpasses they want. That is where the issue is for me.

You can call out my political leanings all you want I will not engage in that discussion. As far as I know the board has a policy against any and all political discussions. I believe there is even a sticky about it.

 

[themommy]

It all just looks like too much work to me. But hey, if you have money to throw away I say go for it!

 

[magicbob]

Many people do feel they have the right to leverage any and all situations in their favor by throwing money at anything they don't like.......that doesn't always make it right for you to affect anyone else's vacation experience because you have enough cash to do so.

If you have the cash to go on a Keys to the Kingdom tour that's great, knock yourself out. That doesn't affect anyone else's park experience. You start buying more tickets to get more fast passes and that may affect other peoples ability to get the fastpasses they want. That is where the issue is for me.

But it's a slippery slope... There are limited slots for that tour. Because I booked the tour, someone else wasn't able to. And those ADRs I booked at CRT and BOG? Someone did without.

 

[Turn the Page]

l like the fast pass system but sometimes l think life was easier before it existed, everyone was on equal footing. Just my thoughts.

That's what I liked so much about legacy FP. Everybody had the same opportunity to use the system. A majority of people didn't but they could have. A premium wasn't placed on it, there wasn't a charge for it, information was readily available, but many people still didn't use it that could have. You charge for a feature like this and the whole dynamic changes. That's what I don't like.

 

[Robo]

You cannot use another day on a multi-day ticket to hop (or for that matter to re-enter the same park),

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[JimmyV]

I would think lying about the number of people in your room in order to get extra DP credits or extra magic bands to get more FP's is definitely scamming the system if not downright blatantly breaking the rules.

I don't disagree with this.

Buying extra tickets to use two in a day rather than one may not be breaking official rules but since they don't let you use two days on a park pass in the same day to enter two different park that implies they want one pass per person not people using multiple passes per day.

I look at it like this......the pass entitles you to certain things, access to rides, 3 FP+'s, access to shows and everything else the park has to offer. Just like buying an airline ticket entitles you to a seat and going to the Jersey Shore entitles you to take a dip in the ocean. So, let's say you don't like the experience you get when you go to the shore because the water is too salty. Do you demand they provide areas of fresh water for you to swim in or do you go somewhere else that provides the experience you want?

With the airplane example, if space is important to you and you don't like the space you are entitled to you with your one ticket so you throw money around to make the experience fit your comfort level. Say you bought out three entire seats so you could stretch out to your hearts content. Do you ever stop to think about the two people who perhaps tried to get seats on that flight and couldn't because you are hogging three of them?

Say you buy extra park passes for your family of 4 to access 3 extra FP+'s each on Thanksgiving weekend when the park is in real danger of being closed due to capacity. The park gets busy and the computer thinks they are at capacity and closes because they think there are more people there than actually are. Is it fair to the family of four that got there after the park closed to capacity that they can't get in because you're hogging twice as many places in the computer than you should simply because you didn't want the experience with lines that come with a theme park visit?

Perhaps I am unusual in that I try to think of how my actions affect other people but that is how I think of these situations. We are likely going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

Unless and until the proprietor places a limiting rule on the purchase of a commodity that is available in limited quantity, there is nothing wrong with someone else buying as much as they want. It applies to gasoline, airline tickets, bowls of soup at the deli, and park tickets. Major corporations book out the entire MK for their private use, allowing 1,000 people private access to a park that will hold 40,000. If the California Grill has a Rack of Lamb special one night, but only has 30 available, I am allowed to order one for an appetizer, main course, side dish and dessert. Eating 4 racks makes me a Mutton Glutton, but it does not break any rules. So, yes, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on the moral or societal aspect of this. But there is a "right or wrong" answer as to whether or not this is against the "rules" (your word). I am unaware of any actual "rule" that is being broken. If this is reduced solely to a discussion of an individual's role in consuming goods available to society as a whole, then I would agree that there is no "right or wrong" in this, and we just disagree.

 

[morethananyonex]

Many people do feel they have the right to leverage any and all situations in their favor by throwing money at anything they don't like.......that doesn't always make it right for you to affect anyone else's vacation experience because you have enough cash to do so. If you have the cash to go on a Keys to the Kingdom tour that's great, knock yourself out. That doesn't affect anyone else's park experience. You start buying more tickets to get more fast passes and that may affect other peoples ability to get the fastpasses they want. That is where the issue is for me. You can call out my political leanings all you want I will not engage in that discussion. As far as I know the board has a policy against any and all political discussions. I believe there is even a sticky about it.

I'm sorry, but that's a very strange attitude to take on a board where people throw money at things they don't like to improve their vacation experience all the time, even at the "expense" of other people.

Yeah, this is a new way to spend more money to get more, but to pretend Disney was completely equal to anyone who wanted to visit before is false. I'm not even going to touch on people having better experiences than others by "throwing money at it" because some people can't even afford to go to Disney at all.

Do you take exception to VIP tours that allow people to cut lines? Do you take exception to EMH hours that give people who pay more at Disney resorts more park time? Do you take exception to people who stay at more expensive resorts to improve their vacation? Do you take exception to people who buy tons of souvenirs? Do you take exception to people who pay more for park hoppers? Do you take exception to people at universal who pay for FOTL access?

There are SO many ways people can pay for things that put them at an advantage over others. It's weird to choose one and get all high and mighty about it. There's nothing unusual about wanting to spend more money to improve your experiences.

 

[Turn the Page]

But it's a slippery slope... There are limited slots for that tour. Because I booked the tour, someone else wasn't able to. And those ADRs I booked at CRT and BOG? Someone did without.

There's no way to objectively draw the line on what is acceptable and what is "inconsiderate."

Oh that's ridiculous. Did you buy out the entire restaurant because "space is valuable to you" or did you get a table appropriate for your party size?

Did you buy out every spot on the tour because you had the cash to do so and thought a private tour would be fun thereby blocking others from taking it?

There are a finite number of resources out there be it seats at BOG, FP's, or spaces in a tour. These spaces run out eventually. There is a difference between taking enough of a finite resource to suit your needs and the spaces running out and you taking up two or three times what you need at the exclusion of others.

Is it splitting hairs? Perhaps. I see a difference, clearly you don't.

Oh gee, I guess I'm really showing my political leanings now aren't I?

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Many people do feel they have the right to leverage any and all situations in their favor by throwing money at anything they don't like.......that doesn't always make it right for you to affect anyone else's vacation experience because you have enough cash to do so.

Always? Of course not. Would you be opposed to WDW granting additional FP+ to guests who stay in their deluxe resorts, or to WDW selling additional FP+ for a fee?

 

[magicbob]

You cannot use another day on a multi-day ticket to hop (or for that matter to re-enter the same park.

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Well, yeah... this couldn't happen because of the technology. Scanning the same ticket at the same park would not deduct another day. I guess I was trying to draw an analogy. If the tickets were physically "punched" each time you use them, you wouldn't try to use another day to get into the same park, because they will already let you back into the same park. But IF there are additional entitlements attached to entering with a separate "punch" then using another day on the multi-day ticket would be prohibited because it costs less than using a separate ticket that hasn't already been "punched."

Who would have thought we'd ever even be contemplating using two tickets for the same day at the same park?

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Oh gee, I guess I'm really showing my political leanings now aren't I?

I think that we all are. As long as we don't criticize one another for having differeing leanings, I think that we are on safe ground. We really can't have this kind of conversation without revealing something about ourselves.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Who would have thought we'd ever even be contemplating using two tickets for the same day at the same park?

I wonder - did people do this in the FP- days? It would have been even more beneficial then.