Bush's "conversation" w/troops staged

[Frank Cross]

Ok, I agree - President Bush doesn't stand a chance of getting reelected. Where does this turn into points for the Democrats?

Guess you missed this part of the article. Here it is again:

With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.

The 9-point difference was the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll had been tracking the question, NBC said.

 

[MizBlu]

So since you were outraged then are you outraged now?

The bible has an answer for this in the form a story about "who's ox is being gored".

 

[What the Heck]

Rcyannacci, my friend, you're going to stay hungry. You aren't going to get anything real from Bush because there is nothing real about Bush. What you see is what you get. With Bush, there is no "there" there. He is an empty suit coasting on fumes from 9/11.

The country has changed; Bush hasn't.

Unforunately, that can be said for both parties. I think just about every politician is an empty suit, especially those leading their parties.

 

[MizBlu]

No, but I was in the Marine Corps for 10 years, much of it in Washington, D.C. When were you in?

Thank you for your service to our country.

However, I don't care if you were in the Marine Corps for 110 years, your answer is still "no" and you were never part of a phony teleconferencing scheme.

 

[What the Heck]

Guess you missed this part of the article. Here it is again:

With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.

The 9-point difference was the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll had been tracking the question, NBC said.

And your point would be? In 1990, President Bush had an overwhelming lead (if I remember correctly, it was about 60%) over anyone the Democrats could must. A lot can happen in a year - a lot can happen in a week or even a day. Weren't many polls predicting President Gore? Or how about Governor (can't even think of his name, the one who ran against Jeb Bush)?

This was a general poll about a rhetorical question - now if they were to conduct polls in every district and find out that the Democrats were winning in most of them, then I would concede your point. This, however, is nothing more than the babblings of idiots (not you, the people doing the poll). It is the equivalent of someone wathing the weatherperson in New York predict clear skies and take it for gospel in Chicago.

 

[What the Heck]

Thank you for your service to our country.

However, I don't care if you were in the Marine Corps for 110 years, your answer is still "no" and you were never part of a phony teleconferencing scheme.

And according to the troops who were part of it, neither were they.

 

[MizBlu]

At least they are in the minority now. Most Americans are realizing how incompetent, dishones and dangerous for the country Bush is now Did I hear rants and outcries about Bill Clinton's staged events. Arranging stones on the beach of Normandy as if it were spontaneous, when they had been placed there before his arrival? Dancing on the beach to no music with Hill, when they knew the press had cameras focused on them from afar? The presses staged and planted questions to Rumsfeld with regard to armour?

I see somebody got their "Pill-Popping Daddy Limbaugh" fix today. No pun intended.

And speaking of body armor, the troops still don't have it and the one's who paid for it out their own or their family's funds, have not been reimbursed as they were supposed to. How come that doesn't outrage you?

I understand Limbaugh's lack of outrage. He's too juiced to put together 2 words to make a coherent sentence.

 

[MizBlu]

And according to the troops who were part of it, neither were they.

Oh good God, this really is the Bizarro world!

 

[richiebaseball]

The country has changed; Bush hasn't.

And if the Democrats have another John Kerry in 2008, the end result will still be the same. Howdy Doody in a squeaker.

You're right, the country has changed. They can spot the bigger phony.

Well, more can than can't anyway.

 

[What the Heck]

And speaking of body armor, the troops still don't have it and the one's who paid for it out their own or their family's funds, have not been reimbursed as they were supposed to. How come that doesn't outrage you?

That does outrage me. Not just against the President however. That outrage belongs to his President and his predecessor, as well as the Congresses who were in session.

 

[What the Heck]

Oh good God, this really is the Bizarro world!

Well, I choose to believe the troops who where there, and who posted online (as shown through one our own) than someone in the press. What to my mind is Bizarro is there are people who prefer the word of someone who wasn't there.

 

[Wonderlandmom]

And speaking of body armor, the troops still don't have it

The troops DO have it, they can't leave camp without it. and often have to wear it AT camp.

This article is over a year old. Dh never saw a troop without it either.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_armor_060804,00.html

 

[Frank Cross]

Did he now? So because he did what every other president has done (and senators and congressperson who does "interviews" like that) he should be bashed? No matter what he does he should be bashed?

He isn't perfect, and he wouldn't have been my first choice for President from the Republican Party but to say he deserves all the bashing he gets - I don't think so. So far I have seen him being bashed for things he has done and things he hasn't done. Why does he deserve it? He gets bashed for things the media misinterprets - he gets bashed for things that were done in a previous (or several previous) presidencies. And if those from the right say something, they are told they are fanatics, drones, non-thinking, rubber stamping, (add in your favorite adjective). If it gets pushed really hard, we are told that we deserve it since the right bashed Clinton for no reason (no, Clinton got bashed because he broke a federal law, not because he had sex - perjury is and was a crime at the time he committed, conspiracy to commit perjury is and was a crime - just as it was in the 1970's, but I digress).

What the country is afraid of is the best the Democrats can come up with - at least to lead their party. Hillary Clinton will never win more than 47% of the vote - she will never win the moderates. Howard Dean will never win more than 20% of the vote, yet they made him their chair. Have you not noticed the way things have been going? It is because people, especially the moderates, are scared. "Smart" John Kerry, when his overseas policies were looked at was much, much more frightening than "stupid" George Bush, because Kerry had it wrong on how to handle the North Koreans. "Smart" Howard Dean is just plain scary whether it is foreign or domestic policies, "smart" Hillary Clinton is just as scary as another term of foreign disaster from her husband (yes, I know, the foreign leaders loved him more than President Bush, but that is exactly what is most scary about it - the French, Germans and Russians do not and should not have our best interest at heart).

The drivel we are tired of is that we should be ashamed for who we are and what we are. The drivel we are tired of is the "I told you so's" coming from the left when they didn't. The drivel we are tired of is no matter what he does, the President is wrong.

The country has been getting polarized since 2000, and what the Democrats do not realize is that they are alienating everyone who is a moderate, Republican and Democrat. And, no one can win any election (except in New York and Illinois, where the 2 huge cities control it all) without the moderates (unless there is a 3rd person running, like President Clinton won in 1992 and 1996).

Did he now?

Yes

So because he did what every other president has done (and senators and congressperson who does "interviews" like that) he should be bashed?

Sources please.

He isn't perfect

Nobody is. I expect the President to have exceptional leadership qualities. He's not the manager of a fast food restaurant. Bush has fumbled his way through this presidency without taking any responsibility whatsoever. Always ther other guys fault. That is not a leader. If you think this country is in good shape because of the current administration, then go ahead and keep on drinking what you're drinking. Please pass the bottle friend. It must be good stuff.

He gets bashed for things the media misinterprets

Like what?

Hillary Clinton will never win more than 47% of the vote - she will never win the moderates.

Sounds like you're scared of Hillary. Do you have anything to back up your claim of 47%. What is your reasoning re: "never win the moderates"?

The country has been getting polarized since 2000

This started with the impeachment of President Clinton. An interesting abuse of power by the Republicans. I'm very curious as to how the midterms play out considering the current situation regarding Bush, Delay, Frist, Rove, Gas prices, Katrina and Iraq. The Republicans aren't really positioning themselves for a victory in 13 months. Don't think for one second that the Democrats won't impeach Bush given the same playing field the Republicans had with Clinton. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying the table is being set by this administrations incompetence.

 

[MizBlu]

Funny, everyone I know that's come back from overseas says the exact opposite.

This is a poll I'd love to see!

Exactly. My nephew's friend (Marine) came back from Iraq a couple of months ago. He described Iraq as a "****ing hell hole".

 

[Frank Cross]

Exactly. My nephew's friend (Marine) came back from Iraq a couple of months ago. He described Iraq as a "****ing hell hole".

There is a simple reason most U.S. soldiers aren't out there chewing the fat with Iraqi "civilians," chatting about how great democracy is: Iraqis overwhelmingly do not want U.S. troops there.

"[Iraqis] aren't sitting in their front rooms discussing the referendum on the constitution," veteran war correspondent Robert Fisk recently said. "The reality now in Iraq is the project is finished. Most of Iraq, except Kurdistan, is in a state of anarchy."

See post #127 for source and the complete article

 

[MizBlu]

You'll be citing the same whine after the Dems lose the 2008 election too.

Loyalty to our current president is fanaticism? and we're drones? The groups you cite are NOT going away -- they are growing!

America is a disaster?? What part of it do you live in??

People like you will blame the President for everything and give him credit for nothing. Thanks for the your "objective" analysis.

The refusal to see what's right in front of your eyes and then try to spin it is called delusion.

And just what the hell has Bush done that he should get credit for?

He kept us out of war........ooops, genie's out of that bottle.

He balanced the budget...........oh no, the horse is out of that barn.

The list goes on and on.

 

[MizBlu]

The troops DO have it, they can't leave camp without it. and often have to wear it AT camp.

This article is over a year old. Dh never saw a troop without it either.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_armor_060804,00.html

A correction........the troops still don't have the proper body armor for the job in Iraq. And the one who paid for the proper armor or who's families paid for it have yet to be reimbursed by the Pentagon even though Congress directed the Pentagon to do so.

Why go back a year? Let's go back 2 months ago:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/14/news/armor.php

Here's a real doozy for a department that spends $500,000,000,000 (that's billion with a "B") a year.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9524109/

Bottom line: the troops still don't have adequate body and are not being reimbursed for the body armor they purchased.

 

[lovemygoofy]

I have read every stinking one of these comments and though I know better I've got to something to say. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE KNOWS THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT IRAQ UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. You've all have been fed propaganda according to whatever sources you read or watch according to your party lines. Recongize it and do some research. If you all really care about what is going on find the nearest military installation near you and sit and talk with those soldiers. Ask them how they feel about the President and the Iraq war. Ask them how it feel to be deployed 3 out of 4 years. There is plenty of blame to be spread along all party lines and out into our communities. If we don't like how our gov't is going, then it is our duty and right to speak up. You all have senators and other congress people to write. Trust me, my people hear from me on a regular basis and I even got a stinking card after my dh left for this deployment.
Please all I ask is quit the speculating from both sides because it doesn't do anyone any good; especially families like myself who is going through yet another deployment. Obviously some of the military, including my dh, would be jumping ship if they wanted, BUT does anyone know that retention in the actual army is as high as it's always been. Tonight and for the next 300+ days I'm going to be praying that some jackcrack doesn't blow my dh up and all you all can do is sit and bicker. Please go out and help; make a difference in someone's life.

 

[Frank Cross]

The refusal to see what's right in front of your eyes and then try to spin it is called delusion.

And just what the hell has Bush done that he should get credit for?

He kept us out of war........ooops, genie's out of that bottle.

He balanced the budget...........oh no, the horse is out of that barn.

The list goes on and on.

You forgot he's "a uniter, not a divider" and "I guess you could say I'm a good steward of the land".

 

[MizBlu]

This started with the impeachment of President Clinton. An interesting abuse of power by the Republicans. I'm very curious as to how the midterms play out considering the current situation regarding Bush, Delay, Frist, Rove, Gas prices, Katrina and Iraq. The Republicans aren't really positioning themselves for a victory in 13 months. Don't think for one second that the Democrats won't impeach Bush given the same playing field the Republicans had with Clinton. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying the table is being set by this administrations incompetence.

Sometimes impeachment is the proper course. That's why the Founding Fathers put that mechanism in the Constitution. Getting "lewinskied" in the Oval office was not what the Founding Fathers thought of when they did.