Bush's "conversation" w/troops staged

Troops chat with Bush — after rehearsal - from MSNBC website

WASHINGTON - It was billed as a conversation with U.S. troops, but the questions President Bush asked on a teleconference call Thursday were choreographed to match his goals for the war in Iraq and Saturday’s vote on a new Iraqi constitution.

“This is an important time,” Allison Barber, deputy assistant defense secretary, said, coaching the soldiers before Bush arrived. “The president is looking forward to having just a conversation with you.”

Barber said the president was interested in three topics: the overall security situation in Iraq, security preparations for the weekend vote and efforts to train Iraqi troops.

‘Let’s just walk through this’
As she spoke in Washington, a live shot of 10 soldiers from the Army’s 42nd Infantry Division and one Iraqi soldier was beamed into the Eisenhower Executive Office Building from Tikrit — the birthplace of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

“I’m going to ask somebody to grab those two water bottles against the wall and move them out of the camera shot for me,” Barber said.


A brief rehearsal ensued.

“OK, so let’s just walk through this,” Barber said. “Captain Kennedy, you answer the first question and you hand the mike to whom?”

“Captain Smith,” Kennedy said.

“Captain. Smith? You take the mike and you hand it to whom?” she asked.

“Captain Kennedy,” the soldier replied.

And so it went.

“If the question comes up about partnering — how often do we train with the Iraqi military — who does he go to?” Barber asked.

“That’s going to go to Captain Pratt,” one of the soldiers said.

“And then if we’re going to talk a little bit about the folks in Tikrit — the hometown — and how they’re handling the political process, who are we going to give that to?” she asked.


Before he took questions, Bush thanked the soldiers for serving and reassured them that the United States would not pull out of Iraq until the mission was complete.

“So long as I’m the president, we’re never going to back down, we’re never going to give in, we’ll never accept anything less than total victory,” Bush said.

The president told them twice that the American people were behind them.

“You’ve got tremendous support here at home,” Bush said.

Less than 40 percent in an AP-Ipsos poll taken in October said they approved of the way Bush was handling Iraq. Just over half of the public now say the Iraq war was a mistake.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday’s event was coordinated with the Defense Department but that the troops were expressing their own thoughts. With satellite feeds, coordination often is needed to overcome technological challenges, such as delays, he said.

“I think all they were doing was talking to the troops and letting them know what to expect,” he said, adding that the president wanted to talk with troops on the ground who have firsthand knowledge about the situation.

The soldiers all gave Bush an upbeat view of the situation.

The president also got praise from the Iraqi soldier who was part of the chat.

“Thank you very much for everything,” he gushed. “I like you.”

On preparations for the vote, 1st Lt. Gregg Murphy of Tennessee said: “Sir, we are prepared to do whatever it takes to make this thing a success. ... Back in January, when we were preparing for that election, we had to lead the way. We set up the coordination, we made the plan. We’re really happy to see, during the preparation for this one, sir, they’re doing everything.”

On the training of Iraqi security forces, Master Sgt. Corine Lombardo from Scotia, N.Y., said to Bush: “I can tell you over the past 10 months, we’ve seen a tremendous increase in the capabilities and the confidences of our Iraqi security force partners. ... Over the next month, we anticipate seeing at least one-third of those Iraqi forces conducting independent operations.”

Lombardo told the president that she was in New York City on Nov. 11, 2001, when Bush attended an event recognizing soldiers for their recovery and rescue efforts at Ground Zero. She said the troops began the fight against terrorism in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and were proud to continue it in Iraq.

“I thought you looked familiar,” Bush said, and then joked: “I probably look familiar to you, too.”

Paul Rieckhoff, director of the New York-based Operation Truth, an advocacy group for U.S. veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, denounced the event as a “carefully scripted publicity stunt.” Five of the 10 U.S. troops involved were officers, he said.

“If he wants the real opinions of the troops, he can’t do it in a nationally televised teleconference,” Rieckhoff said. “He needs to be talking to the boots on the ground and that’s not a bunch of captains.”

Doesn't look to me, from the above article, like the soldiers were told how to answer just told who would get which question. IMHO, some are making a mountain out of a molehill. I just don't see the big deal.
 
rcyannaci said:
Our service men and women have sacrificed a lot to wear their uniforms and I think they deserve to be heard without being scripted by the Administration. I want to hear their story, and I would think that the president would want the same.

Would they do that story without rehearsing? Would you do a teleconference without a rehearsal?

This is their story. They've been working hard to prepare for upcoming elections. I mean, besides being sick to death of sand and MREs and omnipresent threats etc, they do have ongoing work that they might be proud of and might want to mention, which is usually immediately contradicted by pundits who stomp anything remotely positive out of what they have to say anyway. I'd just consider it a few minutes of PR and let it go.
 
I doubt this is the first time in politics that this has happened, bush just happened to have the misfortune of being exposed. It's all theatre.
 
I want to hear their story, and I would think that the president would want the same.

How do you know you haven't heard their story? How do you know their answers weren't their own? Are you accusing these soldiers of lying?
 

Did I hear rants and outcries about Bill Clinton's staged events. Arranging stones on the beach of Normandy as if it were spontaneous, when they had been placed there before his arrival? Dancing on the beach to no music with Hill, when they knew the press had cameras focused on them from afar? The presses staged and planted questions to Rumsfeld with regard to armour?[/QUOTE]

So that must mean that you are upset now. This argument can go both ways.
The big difference here is that Bush is doing it to sell an increasingly unpopular war. I don't think that there has been a president that hasn't had a prepared photo op moment. There reasons for this one is troubling.
 
septbride2002 said:
Someone already won the Clinton award Dawn - sorry you are to late.

And were you angry at Clinton when he did those things? I'm judging by your response the answer is yes. So WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH is it not okay for others to be miffed when Bush does it?

Get a new battle cry - your's has gotten old.

~Amanda
Was I angry at Clinton for his road shows? No, it was laughable. The president presented the soldiers with questions that he had, that perhaps the American people had and they prepared their answers. What is so offensive about that? Particularly during a teleconference that is being televised nationally with the President of the United States. Heck, I would rehearse my answers too and I am hardly shy.
 
inaminute said:
How do you know you haven't heard their story? How do you know their answers weren't their own? Are you accusing these soldiers of lying?
Cheryl, the soldiers have expressed anger today because they feel the press is representing their answers as not their own. They answered with their own opinions, no one elses.
 
beattyfamily said:
They are just going to ignore what you are saying because bashing our President any chance they can is more fun.

there is absolutely no need to turn an otherwise civil debate into a bash-fest. WDWhound stated his perception of the events, others did as well. In fact, if anyone was ignoring him, then we wouldn't address his words or position. Your comment was uncalled for.
 
DawnCt1 said:
At least they are in the minority now. Most Americans are realizing how incompetent, dishones and dangerous for the country Bush is now.

Did I hear rants and outcries about Bill Clinton's staged events. Arranging stones on the beach of Normandy as if it were spontaneous, when they had been placed there before his arrival? Dancing on the beach to no music with Hill, when they knew the press had cameras focused on them from afar? The presses staged and planted questions to Rumsfeld with regard to armour?[/QUOTE]

So all of the above make this event acceptable? Dawn, you know better than two negatives making a positive. What's wrong is wrong.
 
Tumbleweed said:
I don't know why anyone is surprised. All through Bush's campaigns every
speech, every townhall meeting is carefully planned. The audiences are
always carefully screened and you will never see a dissenter.

I think that is part of what clouds this situation. It is well known that his townhall meetings are stacked and heavily screened to weed out dissenters, it is just assumed that this is another in a long line of such situations. Even if the answers weren't rehearsed, I think the soldiers were carefully screened in advance to make sure they had the "right" opinions. Even if this is not true, given his unprecidented screening of his town hall meetings, you can't blaim people for thinking it. He marketed himself as a uniter not a divider --- uniting means giving the other side a voice on occasion - especially the "little people"

I think of the best boss (and the one that was best for the company in terms of outcomes and profits) was one that activly listened to the dissenters. Frankly she invited it. She surrounded herself with people who challanged her, not agreed with her. The 'underlings' may not have liked her final opinions and actions, but she was respected - even by the dissenters. She got alot accomplished.
 
RickinNYC said:
there is absolutely no need to turn an otherwise civil debate into a bash-fest. WDWhound stated his perception of the events, others did as well. In fact, if anyone was ignoring him, then we wouldn't address his words or position. Your comment was uncalled for.

I'm not bashing anyone so I don't know what you are talking about. I voiced my opinion just as you are. I didn't say they were ignoring him, but what he was trying to point out instead. I can say whatever I want to unless the moderators think it's offensive or against one of the board's policies.
 
inaminute said:
How do you know you haven't heard their story? How do you know their answers weren't their own? Are you accusing these soldiers of lying?

Personally, I had the strong impression that the soldiers were simply parroting answers that were given to them.
 
RickinNYC said:

So all of the above make this event acceptable? Dawn, you know better than two negatives making a positive. What's wrong is wrong.[/QUOTE]

Ricky, let me condense it for you. One event was rehearsed the other was staged to appear spontaneous. Clearly President Bush's teleconference was rehearsed and for all of the reasons that have been presented in this thread.
 
beattyfamily said:
I'm not bashing anyone so I don't know what you are talking about. I voiced my opinion just as you are. I didn't say they were ignoring him, but what he was trying to point out instead. I can say whatever I want to unless the moderators think it's offensive or against one of the board's policies.

Stating that "they" are just going to ignore him is a pretty nasty comment in and of itself. And yes, you can say anything your heart desires, as can voices of dissent.
 
DawnCt1 said:
So all of the above make this event acceptable? Dawn, you know better than two negatives making a positive. What's wrong is wrong.

Ricky, let me condense it for you. One event was rehearsed the other was staged to appear spontaneous. Clearly President Bush's teleconference was rehearsed and for all of the reasons that have been presented in this thread.[/QUOTE]

No need to condense. And I still stand by the concept that two wrongs don't make a right. Sure, Clinton's staging was nonsense, as is the rehearsed Q&A session.
 
RickinNYC said:
Stating that "they" are just going to ignore him is a pretty nasty comment in and of itself. And yes, you can say anything your heart desires, as can voices of dissent.

I disagree with your opinion ("pretty nasty") obviously, and I never said people here couldn't voice their opinions but many have jumped on me for mine. We do agree on one thing though, that we can all voice our opinions.
 
beattyfamily said:
I disagree with your opinion ("pretty nasty") obviously, and I never said people here couldn't voice their opinions but many have jumped on me for mine. We do agree on one thing though, that we can all voice our opinions.

Nah, we've agreed on more than this, just haven't participated in many threads together recently!
 
Cheryl, the soldiers have expressed anger today because they feel the press is representing their answers as not their own. They answered with their own opinions, no one elses.

Thanks, Dawn. I was wondering how the soldiers involved felt about this. I haven't read or seen anything that states they were told what to say--only when.

I have no problem with the rehearsal and understand the reasons for it. I just think it's a shame that the attempt by the press to make the President look bad has ended up making the soldiers appear incompetent.
 
RickinNYC said:
Nah, we've agreed on more than this, just haven't participated in many threads together recently!

That's true! I've been avoiding these kinds though...not sure what got into me! ;)
 
DawnCt1 said:
Was I angry at Clinton for his road shows? No, it was laughable. The president presented the soldiers with questions that he had, that perhaps the American people had and they prepared their answers. What is so offensive about that? Particularly during a teleconference that is being televised nationally with the President of the United States. Heck, I would rehearse my answers too and I am hardly shy.


Very well written! Thank you. ;)
 

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