Bush's "conversation" w/troops staged

DawnCt1 said:
President Bush personally asked Crowned Prince Abdullah that the FBI be allowed to interview the Khobar Towers suspects that the Saudi's had in custody. President Clinton refused to do that, despite promising the families in 1996 that "no stone would go unturned" in the investigation. He was quite willing to take the donation for the Clinton Library and Massage Parlor from the Saudi Prince for undisclosed huge sums of money. You need to seriously ask yourself if a policy of "lack of law enforcement, let alone lack of engaging the terrorist enemy really did the USA any good. I would suggest reading Watership Down again. In one of the warrens,the rabbits were fat and happy and only a few disappeared every now and then. That was the Clinton administration's approach to terrorism. Perhaps it would serve you well to develop a little more curiousity about "Able Danger".

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want or need any advice from someone who thinks the Bush presidency is going to be one of the greatest in US history.

Btw, I suggest you read a little something about Icarus and a few Greek tragedies about "hubris".

And a question: Did Bush also ask Abdullah about the money the Saudis spend on anti-American hatred via the madrassas?
 
MizBlu said:
Btw, I suggest you read a little something about Icarus and a few Greek tragedies about "hubris".

Thanks but no thanks, I am quite familiar with the "hubris" that was evident from 1992 to 2000.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Thanks but no thanks, I am quite familiar with the "hubris" that was evident from 1992 to 2000.

Then you must be familiar with egg on your face and gnashing of teeth.

In case you haven't noticed, Bill Clinton was called on twice by this Bush WH to accomplish where they're clueless........helping people in distress and getting aid to them. Hell, George even had to ask Daddy for help.
 
MizBlu said:
President McCain wouldn't have sat with his thumb up his *** reading about a "Pet Goat" after being told "Mr. President, America is under attack".


Oh goody, another Pet Goat, Michael Moore follower. :sad2: Michael Moore wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the stomach (or at least he wouldn't put the truth in his films as it might hurt his movie millions or popularity among his cult.)

Do you have any links re the exact locaton of our President's thumb? The teacher in the room at the time might disagree.
 

DawnCt1 said:
Not at all. All presidencies have highs and lows. When this presidency is viewed in its totality, with a free Iraq, The Bush Presidency will be one of the greatest sucesses of our life time.

Exactly. ITA. :sunny:

Thank God for out President.
 
Missy1961 said:
Excellent points. I got a small raise (about 2%) in 2001, haven't had a raise since then. Meanwhile, my company has downsized twice (and this is a company that had never downsized before). On top of all the increases you mentioned, I've gone thru a few increases in commuting fares (LIRR).

I just hope that everyone remembers all this stuff next year during the mid-term elections.

Are the officers of your company running for mid-term elections??
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Are the officers of your company running for mid-term elections??

You seriously don't get it, do you. :confused3
 
yeartolate said:
You seriously don't get it, do you. :confused3

No, they seriously don't get it, which becomes more and more apparent as they dodge the topic of the thread.

This is about credibility. People are so quick to say that everything is staged so why put it all on Bush...

...because this administration told the press that this "conversation" was unscripted. They lied once again, and people in this country are starting to wake up.
 
sodaseller said:
The rates were kept artificially low for awhile due to some political machinations. The economy has been growing without inflation due to the Republican dream economy - high growth and profits while workers' wages stay low or decline in purchasing power. The rates will likely increase now due to inflation scares due to energy spikes and an increase in the risk component in i (before someone gets snarky and corrects me, I know that in most equations i is just TVM and not risk, but go with me here).

Remember there is no greater bogeyman than inflation (even though the Fed's enabling statute prioritized full employment). We must find NAIRU, because unemployment is acceptable to keep inflation low- that hurts the investor class. As Bush jokes "Some call you the elite - I call you my base". Down with the sans cullotes

Your first sentence has no basis in fact.

Rates may well increase some as the economy has been improving over the last couple years and continues to do so.

There will never has been nor will there ever be "full" or 100% employment.
 
Puffy2 said:
Have to agree with Frank on that one, Joe. Not only has the US created a terrorist state in Iraq - a breeding ground and homeland for all terrorists from around the world - the US also managed to take a country which, although run by a dictator like many other nations in this world, was orderly and relatively peaceful , a place where men and women attended university and ran businesses and had homes and families and plunged that country into a Civil War between the moderates and the religious fundamenalists.

Also when it comes to the "terrorists" that are importing into Iraq to fight this thing with the fundamentalists, why is it that only Syria and Iran get the threats from the US when the vast majority of them come from SAUDI ARABIA??? Why won't the diehard Bush fans call Bush on THAT?

Oh what an idyllic place Iraq was under Saddam. :rolleyes: You forgot to mention all the kite flying.
 
Oh what an idyllic place Iraq was under Saddam. You forgot to mention all the kite flying.

Yes, and they even had water and electricity and women could walk the streets without covering their heads if they wanted to.

Something that is no longer the case a year and 1/2 later.
 
No, they seriously don't get it, which becomes more and more apparent as they dodge the topic of the thread.

This is about credibility. People are so quick to say that everything is staged so why put it all on Bush...

...because this administration told the press that this "conversation" was unscripted. They lied once again, and people in this country are starting to wake up.
.

I can only hope that enough are waking up to the manipulation.

This "conversation with troops" is just another example of the lies Bush and company have tried to pull off - just like when they planted that "news" reporter at press confrences to ask questions they wanted to have asked when the mainstream (real) media asked tough questions. How is that kind of behavior any different from "government tv" in oppressive nations?
 
Who cares about this conference? This is the administration who compramised a CIA operative by leaking her name to the media, amongst other things. Staging a conference is minor by comparison.
 
Puffy2 said:
Yes, and they even had water and electricity and women could walk the streets without covering their heads if they wanted to.

Something that is no longer the case a year and 1/2 later.

Yes, under Saddam, head-coverings were the least of women's problems. :rolleyes:

Fact Sheet
Office of International Women's Issues
Washington, DC
March 20, 2003

Iraqi Women Under Saddam's Regime: A Population Silenced


Situation for Women in Saddam's Iraq
In 1979, immediately upon coming to power, Saddam Hussein silenced all political opposition in Iraq and converted his one-party state into a cult of personality. Since then, his regime has systematically executed, tortured, imprisoned, raped, terrorized, and repressed the Iraqi people. Iraq is a nation rich in culture, with a long history of intellectual and scientific achievement, especially among its women. However, Saddam Hussein's brutal regime has silenced the voices of Iraq's women, along with its men, through violence and intimidation.

In Iraq under Saddam, if you are a woman, you could face:

Beheading. Under the pretext of fighting prostitution, units of "Fedayeen Saddam," the paramilitary organization led by Uday Hussein, Saddam's eldest son, have beheaded in public more than 200 women throughout the country, dumping their severed heads at their families' doorsteps. Many families have been required to display the victim's head on their outside fences for several days. These barbaric acts were carried out in the total absence of any proper judicial procedures and many of the victims were not engaged in prostitution, but were targeted for political reasons. For example, Najat Mohammad Haydar, an obstetrician in Baghdad, was beheaded after criticizing the corruption within health services. (Amnesty International Report, Iraq: Systematic Torture of Political Prisoners, August 2001; Iraqi Women's League in Damascus, Syria)

Rape. The Iraqi Government uses rape and sexual assault of women to achieve the following goals: to extract information and forced confessions from detained family members; to intimidate Iraqi oppositionists by sending videotapes showing the rape of female family members; and to blackmail Iraqi men into future cooperation with the regime. Some Iraqi authorities even carry personnel cards identifying their official "activity" as the "violation of women's honor." (U.S. Department of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices-2001, March 2002; Iraq Research and Documentation Project, Harvard University)


Torture. The Iraqi Government routinely tortures and kills female dissidents and the female relatives of Iraqi oppositionists and defectors. Victims include Safiyah Hassan, the mother of two Iraqi defectors, who was killed after publicly criticizing the Iraqi Government for killing her sons after their return to Iraq. Women in Saddam's jails are subjected to the following forms of torture: brutal beatings, systematic rape, electrical shocks, and branding. (U.S. Department of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices-2001, March 2002; U.S. Department of State, Iraq: A Population Silenced, December 2002)

Murder. In 1990, Saddam Hussein introduced Article 111 into the Iraqi Penal Code in a calculated effort to strengthen tribal support for his regime. This law exempts men who kill their female relatives in defense of their family's honor from prosecution and punishment. The UN Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women reported that more than 4,000 women have been victims of so-called "honor killings" since Article 111 went into effect. (UN Commission on Human Rights, Report of the Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women, January 2002)
 
Puffy2 said:
Yes, and they even had water and electricity and women could walk the streets without covering their heads if they wanted to.

Something that is no longer the case a year and 1/2 later.
Are you serious? Iraq was better off with Saddam in power? Unless you lived in Iraq I think it best not to assume people lived better with Saddam.American troops are still in Iraq defending this country. I choose to give my support for these brave men and women. Freedom comes at a cost. One day Bush will be praised for what he has done in Iraq. Giving people their freedom is a great thing. We are just fortunate that we have it.
 


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