Bush won't rule out nuclear stike on Iran...

[WIcruizer]

If you're worried about being attacked by Pakistan, you really need to pick up a paper once in awhile.

Pakistan is a U.S. ally. Iran has a loudmouth, belligerent president but the mullahs who actually hold power there aren't going to approve a nuclear war. North Korea--who knows what they'll do, but they are no threat to us in any event. They have no ICBMs.

Pakistan reserves the right to use first strike against India. And vice versa. I don't need to pick up a paper to know what happens next. You know nothing about who would actually have access to "the button" in Iran if they ever develop nuclear weapons. Even if you did, that could easily change tomorrow. North Korea IS a threat, just as Iran for one simple reason. The warhead is the hard part. Eventually acquiring long range missles and guidance systems is the next logical step. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Charade]

Yes, compared to Iran, Bush is the world's big bully. Iran hasn't invaded anyone for generations.

Well, if you prefer to stand by twiddling your thumbs as just wait for the next attack, go ahead. I'm glad that "bully" is in the WH. We'd probably be done with Iraq if it weren't for softies saying we're too harsh on the people out to kill us.

 

[DawnCt1]

The stated reason we used our atomic weapons was that we wanted an unconditional surrender--in other words, we wanted to reserve the right to hang the Japanese Emperor, since that was the only condition that was holding up a peace agreement in July, 1945.

Sounds like a pi$$poor reason to me.

Clearly a gross misrepresentation. You are almost implying that the Emperor was "willing to surrender" but not unconditionally surrender. Neither of course was true. School children were prepared to defend Japan with sticks right up until the first bomb was dropped. If the war continued conventionally, more than a million Allied Forces would have been killed.

 

[Viking]

If you're worried about being attacked by Pakistan, you really need to pick up a paper once in awhile.

Pakistan is a U.S. ally. Iran has a loudmouth, belligerent president but the mullahs who actually hold power there aren't going to approve a nuclear war. North Korea--who knows what they'll do, but they are no threat to us in any event. They have no ICBMs.

You forgot one major point: North Korea neither has oil, so they won't be considered a problem by Bush

 

[WIcruizer]

Yes, compared to Iran, Bush is the world's big bully. Iran hasn't invaded anyone for generations.

As for Iraq, don't even get me started. The U.S. helped instigate the war with Iran, sold Hussein raw materials for sarin and anthrax and the VX gas he used on the Kurds (who, by the way, had rebelled in favor of Iran in the middle of a war, which doesn't get mentioned very often. Considering the treatment war opponents get in the U.S. even for criticizing Bush, I can only imagine what would happen to us if, like the sainted Kurds, we started an insurrection!)

Well, that's dangerous language you just used. And I have forwarded the statement to the proper authorities.

 

[Viking]

If you like or agree with President Bush or not, don't you find this staement rather immature? Bully of the world? So President Bush is the bully of the world, not Palestinians strapping bombs to themselves and taking out any man, woman, or child within blast distance? Not terrorists who look for every opportunity to kill innocent people anywhere at any time in the world? Not Hussein who invaded Iran, then Kuwait (on his way to Saudi Arabia) not to mention killing mass numbers of those pesky Kurds living in his own country? Iran who has vowed to build and use nuclear weapons? Ditto for North Korea?

No..no..no President Bush is the big bully. Disagree with policy all you want, but that statement is downright sophmoric.

You obviously haven't access to the international media: Even in most NATO countries the Bush-administration is considered as the big bully. In moste polls during the last years over hear in Europe the USA came out in first rank when people were asked which country the consider the largest threat for world peace.
And the use of torture in Abu Graib and the conditions in Guantanamo do not exactly give you the image of being 'The Godd Guy' anymore

 

[lw49033]

Well, that's dangerous language you just used. And I have forwarded the statement to the proper authorities.

You're a riot! Oops, I said riot

 

[Charade]

You obviously haven't access to the international media: Even in most NATO countries the Bush-administration is considered as the big bully. In moste polls during the last years over hear in Europe the USA came out in first rank when people were asked which country the consider the largest threat for world peace.
And the use of torture in Abu Graib and the conditions in Guantanamo do not exactly give you the image of being 'The Godd Guy' anymore

What a warped perspective. So just because we mistreated a few people, not withstanding the inhumane treatment that MILLIONS in other places in the world receive from their rulers, Bush is a bully. Ok.

 

[WIcruizer]

You obviously haven't access to the international media: Even in most NATO countries the Bush-administration is considered as the big bully. In moste polls during the last years over hear in Europe the USA came out in first rank when people were asked which country the consider the largest threat for world peace.
And the use of torture in Abu Graib and the conditions in Guantanamo do not exactly give you the image of being 'The Godd Guy' anymore

Exactly. The media is even more liberal in Europe than it is in the States. Yet it's amazing. Millions of people are willing to risk incarceration and even death to come to the USA. Frankly, I don't lose any sleep that a few terrorists in Gantanemo weren't treated as 5 star hotel guests. It's easy for other countries to sit back and do nothing and expect the USA to come in and clean everything up when it's too late. Then curse us when they don't agree with the decisions.

 

[WIcruizer]

You're a riot! Oops, I said riot

Considering the treatment war opponents get in the U.S. even for criticizing Bush, I can only imagine what would happen to us if, like the sainted Kurds, we started an insurrection!)

Are you suggesting this should happen?

 

[lw49033]

Clearly a gross misrepresentation. You are almost implying that the Emperor was "willing to surrender" but not unconditionally surrender. Neither of course was true. School children were prepared to defend Japan with sticks right up until the first bomb was dropped. If the war continued conventionally, more than a million Allied Forces would have been killed.

They were prepared to do that to defend the Emperor, even after the bomb was dropped. When the Emperor said "we're surrendering", that was that. If he made them swallow it in August, he could've made them swallow it in July. It wasn't like most of had seen the devastation firsthand.

 

[DawnCt1]

You obviously haven't access to the international media: Even in most NATO countries the Bush-administration is considered as the big bully. In moste polls during the last years over hear in Europe the USA came out in first rank when people were asked which country the consider the largest threat for world peace.
And the use of torture in Abu Graib and the conditions in Guantanamo do not exactly give you the image of being 'The Godd Guy' anymore

Next time we need to defend ourselves, we will be sure to look at the European polls. Truly laughable since most of Europe has proven that it can't defend itself. In fact, the French finally found someone they could defeat, The French. No, they just "surrender" to the mob in the streets. The retreat at Gitmo provides a lot more amenities than anything that the terrorists would find in their own countries.

 

[lw49033]

Exactly. The media is even more liberal in Europe than it is in the States. Yet it's amazing. Millions of people are willing to risk incarceration and even death to come to the USA.

You'll notice that they mainly come from tinpot left-wing or right-wing dictatorships, not from Europe.

 

[lw49033]

Next time we need to defend ourselves, we will be sure to look at the European polls.

We won't need to defend ourselves all that often if we have leaders who are (1) competent and (2) not jingoists and bullies. Right now we're 0 for 2.

 

[WIcruizer]

You'll notice that they mainly come from tinpot left-wing or right-wing dictatorships, not from Europe.

I'm sorry, since when is Mexico a dictatorship? And to this day immigrants from Europe are pouring into the U.S., at least they're doing so legally.

 

[goofygirl]

You obviously haven't access to the international media: Even in most NATO countries the Bush-administration is considered as the big bully. In moste polls during the last years over hear in Europe the USA came out in first rank when people were asked which country the consider the largest threat for world peace.
And the use of torture in Abu Graib and the conditions in Guantanamo do not exactly give you the image of being 'The Godd Guy' anymore

I totally agree. Bush is not making the US very popular in the world. Whenever Bush visits a foreign country, there's always large protests to greet him. They do not support our premptive war with Iraq, and neither do I. America has done a lot of shameful things, such as the above mentioned: Abu Graib, Gitmo, etc. We should ask God to forgive America instead of always saying "God BLESS America" while blindly waving the flag. People who think the POTUS and the USA can do no wrong should get their heads out of the sand.

 

[lw49033]

Are you suggesting this should happen?

Well, if General Zinni and his compadres were to decide to go Pinochet on Bush, you wouldn't find me jumping on any barricades to defend him

 

[WIcruizer]

I totally agree. Bush is not making the US very popular in the world. Whenever Bush visits a foreign country, there's always large protests to greet him. They do not support our premptive war with Iraq, and neither do I. America has done a lot of shameful things, such as the above mentioned: Abu Graib, Gitmo, etc. We should ask God to forgive America instead of always saying "God BLESS America" while blindly waving the flag. People who think the POTUS and the USA can do no wrong should get their heads out of the sand.

And those that believe doing the RIGHT thing is always the most popular thing should get their heads out of the sand. God Bless America!

 

[Charade]

Japan offered peace terms through their ambassador to the USSR in July, 1945. Their sole condition was that we would spare the Emperor (which of course we did anyway). We followed that be reiterating, at Potsdam, the demand for unconditional surrender. Look it up.

Apparently, Japan ignored the conditions of surrender and paid dearly. But that doesn't negate the fact that if a Allied land invasion came to mainland Japan, that many many more people would die than did in the two A-bomb attacks.

 

[lw49033]

I'm sorry, since when is Mexico a dictatorship? And to this day immigrants from Europe are pouring into the U.S., at least they're doing so legally.

OK, you're right about that. When you said incarceration and even death I guess I pictured the boat people fleeing Vietnam, Cuba and Haiti.

Europeans are not "pouring into the U.S." according to anything I've ever seen. Except Bosnians, maybe.