Bush Will Win...

[Laura]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
I'm not aware of a policy regarding the Olympics. Care to point that out with a source?

There's this wonderful thing called the Olympic Truce, where all countries involved in the Olympics lay down their arms so that the Olympics may go on in peace. It dates back to the ancient Olympics.
http://www.olympictruce.org/html/milestones.html
http://www.olympic.org/uk/organisation/missions/truce/truce_uk.asp

Shamefully, our country hasn't been keeping that truce.

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by year2late
I predict there will be a coup at the Republican Convention and a McCain/Powell ticket will come out on top.

Hmmm... I might vote for McCain...

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by auntpolly
And for those who say there is no difference -- look a little closer. I have more respect for the guy who argues to death how GWB is the right choice than someone who says there is no difference!

I used to think there was no difference--until Bush became president, that is.

 

[Saffron]

Tiziminchac - honestly, just put on a flame suit and stand your ground. I'm like you. I'm too sensitive about things, and I probably shouldn't get involved in a lot of the political debates, but I am also opinionated , and like to get my two cents in. Everyone knows that these are just politcal opinions and words. In some cases those opinions define the poster, like for the political junkies on the board. Me? Politics is not my "thing". But this election is important to me, that's why I'm reading more politcal posts and throwing in my 2 cents every now and then. Otherwise, you probably won't see me on many political debates after the election is over.

What we say ... honestly? ... doesn't mean a hill of beans! Here on the DIS people just have a place to throw out their opinions. And that's what they are, opinions. Sometimes they're backed up by facts, sometimes by fiction , but we are all just a bunch of opinionated people talking to each other, nothing more. As far as I know, and as far as I'm concerned, people's political opinions are just that. I try to see posters for who they are overall, not just their political opinions, you know what I mean? Adults can disagree, even disresepctfully sometimes, but still remain friends and DIS on. It's kind of scary that people may form an opinion on what someone on the CB has to say about Kerry or Bush , but you may be right! I hope that person does their own research though before embracing anything any of us has to say! LOL!

Your theory about Hillary may be true, but yes, it's Limbaugh's too. And just because Limbaugh has been talking about it for awhile now, doesn't mean that you didn't just think of it! That happens! It also happens that *I* hear things and think they were my ideas. I do that all the time. I think I have these absolutely brilliant ideas! Whether it's about politics or WDW or ... I don't know ... my dog or something ... I get so excited and throw them at my SO, WillyJ, just to have him say, "Uhh hon? I told you that last night." Hahahaha!

The President and being disrespectul towards him? People who are disrespectful towards him, plain and simply don't respect him. Some people are ashamed to have him as our President, as ashamed as some Republicans or conservatives or Democrats were to have Clinton in office.

But believe me, the disrespect goes both ways here. Democrats, liberals etc are constantly smeared and disrespected. Were you here when the war first started? Oh my gosh! Those of us who opposed the war were called: insane, unAmerican, crazy, communist, hate mongers, sissys, killing our troops, making our troops die or be killed, Saddam lovers, terrorists, unpatriotic, we don't remember 9/11 or we want to see 9/11 happen again, stupid, etc. etc., just AWFUL things and some of those things still go on to this day! So yeah, it does go both ways, and believe me, if Kerry is elected in the Fall, the Republicans and conservatives won't all of a sudden rally around Kerry and treat him with respect and admiration simply because he's President, the way some seem we should all be doing now with Bush. They couldn't possibly change their long held views and values overnight. Nor should the Democrats/liberals be told they have to now. You know what I mean?

Anyway ... don't give up posting your opinions or thoughts, even if your post or thread goes in a direction you didn't see coming. Just borrow some of the "Thick Skin Cream" (protects from Pixie Dust too if you're so inclined to not like that ) that fellow DISers pass around and enjoy your time here. Everyone's opinions are welcomed and allowed, and you are entilted to yours, just as everyone else is entitled to theirs. I like your posts! I may not agree with them, but that's okay and it's okay if no one agrees with mine either, I just like to post and you do too, so keep on doing it.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Laura
There's this wonderful thing called the Olympic Truce, where all countries involved in the Olympics lay down their arms so that the Olympics may go on in peace. It dates back to the ancient Olympics.
http://www.olympictruce.org/html/milestones.html
http://www.olympic.org/uk/organisation/missions/truce/truce_uk.asp

Shamefully, our country hasn't been keeping that truce.

I agree that we should abide by it but what country are we fighting with that you feel should abide by that truce as well?

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by lucky_bunni
I'm too tired to respond to your points, although most of what you said was just accusations that I'm exaggerating. Obviously your toward the right, I'm toward the left and we aren't going to agree. It would be nice, however, if you came back with something more than just saying that I'm exaggerating on every point.

When you make comments like "Bush is making everyone in the world hate us" and "The current administration makes Americans look like selfish, renegade, liars." sounds pretty much all of the rest of the world and all Americans.
It reminds of when I was a kid and my brother and I would get into a fight and one or the other would get hit only to go crying to Mommy "Mommy, Lucky_Bunni keeps hitting me...." when in fact it was only once. IMO, that's what you've done by making comments like I quoted. Now, after saying that, I think you do have a valid point in that SOME (maybe more or less than we really know) people in other parts of the world see us in the way you describe. But I don't take that without being a little suspect of how the US is portrayed in the media outlets in those countries.
There is no way that we can make everyone like us. That would be impossible. We need to do what is right for us and if it makes other peoples knickers get all wadded up, that's their problem.


And BTW, you did it again (exaggerate) in your last reply to me. I didn't call all of your points exaggerations and I did reply with substantive answers to your some of your points.

 

[jimmiej]

Originally posted by Bobbles
Does that mean your 18 year old has voted Democrat in a previous life or something?

I hope I've raised her to know better than that!

 

[Samsara]

Replace "raised" with "mindwashed."

Don't think so? Let me ask a few questions, if I may...

Did you force her to attend your church and pray to your god when she was growing up?

 

[Tiziminchac]

Thanks Saffron, your post made me feel so much better. This weekend has been a terrible one for me. Yesterday morning I had to have my cat put to sleep. She was eaten up with cancer and I know it was the right thing to do. I had her for 13 years and it broke my heart. So maybe I began to take things too seriously.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Samsara
Replace "raised" with "mindwashed."

Don't think so? Let me ask a few questions, if I may...

Did you force her to attend your church and pray to your god when she was growing up?

While not trying to answer for jimmiej, I don't understand the relevance. Care to explain? And don't you "raise" or "teach" your children (if you have any) based on your core set of morals/values regardless of whether your religious or not?

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
While not trying to answer for jimmiej, I don't understand the relevance. Care to explain? And don't you "raise" or "teach" your children (if you have any) based on your core set of morals/values regardless of whether your religious or not?

Perhaps you should re-read the thread. The relevance is there.

I'm guessing that everyone raises their children in different ways. Some are more tilted toward letting that child develop and grow into their own person while some are tilted toward shaping and molding that child into what the parent wants.

He made the statement that he had "hoped he raised [his daughter] better than to know [to vote Democrat]. I was just qondering about his statement, that's all.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Samsara
Perhaps you should re-read the thread. The relevance is there.

I'm guessing that everyone raises their children in different ways. Some are more tilted toward letting that child develop and grow into their own person while some are tilted toward shaping and molding that child into what the parent wants.

He made the statement that he had "hoped he raised [his daughter] better than to know [to vote Democrat]. I was just wondering about his statement, that's all.

Yea, I got that part but I think it was unfair for you to characterize the method he used to bring up his children the way he thinks would suit them best as "mindwashing". Which, btw, is how most children are raised. Once they're on their own, they'll have ample time to evaluate their positions on issues and change if need be.

But I don't see why it matters to you how someone else raises their children.

I mean what's the problem? Are you afraid that he's breeding more Republicans/Conservatives?

 

[Samsara]

As I have already stated, I was just curious as to what he meant by his statement and the extent to which it characterized the way in which he raised his children.

Do I care? Not really. Just curious.

 

[mep319]

Originally posted by dumboiu
Impossible as he was never ELECTED in the first place.............

I actually laughed out loud! I sooo agree! I remember going to bed thinking Gore was president and then awoke in a nightmare....that hasn't ended!

I have heard that theory before but I really think it is just that a theory! I doubt Bill and Hillary would want 4 more years of W...I know I don't!

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by mep319

I doubt Bill and Hillary would want 4 more years of W...I know I
don't!

My theory is that B&H would endure four years of anyone as long as they think she has a shot at 2008.

But again, as usually, we hear those that say they've lived in a nightmare during the Bush administration without saying how their guy will do things differently. It's the same old ABB.

I'm sure you've heard that Kerry will get the help of (significant (my words)) allies in the war on terrorism and in Iraq. Um. just how's he gonna do that when they've recently said they wouldn't send troops to Iraq regardless of who was in the WH.

 

[WillyJ]

For the record. . .


I did mention the rumor/theory about Both Clinton's not wanting Kerry to win so things would be better if Hillary were to run in 2008, but it's something that's been around for way longer then that. . . I first heard it last Fall, and it wasn't about Kerry, it was about Howard Dean.

The first I heard it was from Limbaugh but as I recall he didn't take the claim it was his idea either, rather he claimed it was something he got from "inside the Clinton machine". . .

Supposedly Bill and Hillary were terrified that Dean was on such a roll and looking like he might have a chance to not just win but actually change the whole Dem party back into a truly liberal option.

So, as the story goes, after stopping off in Mena and killing a few people, completing a white slavery trade, and eating 16 Big Macs while Hillary had a couple lesbian affairs. . . . . Big Bill went to the Little Rock home of reitired General Wes Clark, stuffed his pockets with cash from Communist Buddist Monks, and ordered the poor, unwilling Clark to, "get out there and stop Dean so Hilliary will have an open rode in 2008. .. and grab some more Big Macs while your out. . "




Of course Clark didn't sink Dean; Dean sunk Dean. . . and then Linthead just switched his "info" to it being about Kerry. . .


Now that doesn't mean for one second that I thought/think that you heard it from Limbaugh or some place else and tried to act like you thought of it yourself Tiziminchac. . . it's entirely possible that deep down one or both of the Clintons wouldn't be too upset if Kerry lost and Bush continued taking the country over the cliff setting things up for hilliary in 2008. . .

But that's just a theory, and there's been nothing I've seen to give any indication either of them are doing anything to hurt Kerry's chances of winning. . .


Oh, and I think Saffron's post was great as well . . .. . but let me add my sincerely sympathy for the loss of you cat; losing a family pet is heartbreaking, and I'm sorry to hear you're having to deal with such a sad event. .

 

[mep319]

Elwood Blues...I think the UN and nations abroad will be more likely to offer to support to Kerry. Bush has unfortunately isolated many nations. He hasn't been real kind the world community...he is the least traveled president etc etc...There are many things I'm sure all you know so I won't bother to post it here. That is one 'difference' Kerry is really pushing...that he will again embrace the world community just as Clinton did. I think they may end up offering more troups if Kerry wins just to show their displeasure with Bush. And being we are the last 'superpower'...if there is a change in adminstrator it would be a great move on their part.

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
I agree that we should abide by it but what country are we fighting with that you feel should abide by that truce as well?

Don't be obtuse. You and I know we aren't fighting against the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan that we have essentially installed in those countries, but the "insurgents". It doesn't mean that we shouldn't attempt to respect the truce just because we're fighting those loyal to the former governments because we installed new ones through force.

But you obviously weren't aware of the Olympic truce, so I just thought it was something I should point out to you.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Laura
Don't be obtuse. You and I know we aren't fighting against the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan that we have essentially installed in those countries, but the "insurgents". It doesn't mean that we shouldn't attempt to respect the truce just because we're fighting those loyal to the former governments because we installed new ones through force.

If you already knew that the Olympic Truce wasn't applicable, why bring it up? How would you propose respecting that truce while the insurgents would still trying to blow us up?

And why did you put insurgents in quotes?

We did not install permanent governments in either country. Afghanistan is now preparing for their first REAL election (ever) and Iraq is on their way to theirs next year.

But you obviously weren't aware of the Olympic truce, so I just thought it was something I should point out to you.

Thank you.

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
If you already knew that the Olympic Truce wasn't applicable, why bring it up? How would you propose respecting that truce while the insurgents would still trying to blow us up?

What makes you think the truce doesn't apply? Did you go to my links? It applies to the USA, as a participant of the games. Do you actually think you won this point or something? Can't the US at least try to respect the truce?

Don't you remember any brouhaha over the fact that the US wasn't respecting the Olympic Truce during the 2002 Salt Lake games? Jacques Rogge chose not to mention it in his speech then, but in Athens he urged the IOC member nations to strive for peace. A little too diplomatic for me, but he's not a politician.

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
And why did you put insurgents in quotes?

Why not?

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
We did not install permanent governments in either country. Afghanistan is now preparing for their first REAL election (ever) and Iraq is on their way to theirs next year.

Duh. I read the news. Nonetheless, we installed the present governments in both countries.