Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Yes it is. I wonder WWJD?

Jesus could spot a phoney when he saw one, too.

Her public protests are not immune to comment because she lost a son. Another meeting with Bush would change nothing! It's a phoney ploy by her.

With her inane comments of hers (and the groups she associates with) is she concerned about moms and dads who are proud of their sons and daughers serving (and perhaps dead or wounded) in the same war?

She's sowing harsh comments and she's reaping harsh comments.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

The right would love to portray Cindy Sheehan as a lone nut case backed only by left wing extremists, but there are many other military families who are joining her cause. She's not alone and the list is growing. This is not good news for Bu$h...

The number against her is growing too. We will see if the media gives them the same attention.

 

[Professor Mouse]

Just because we have not found WMD's does not make your BUSH LIED opinion (and your related opinions) a fact. No matter how many times you say it.

Joe, are you ignoring my question? If this war is so nobel, why have you not joined the military? Inquiring minds want to know?

 

[C.Ann]

The right would love to portray Cindy Sheehan as a lone nut case backed only by left wing extremists, but there are many other military families who are joining her cause. She's not alone and the list is growing. This is not good news for Bu$h...

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Probably by the time I hit the "send" button here, someone will already have responded that they're "all" nut cases..

I think there's some obscure law that says if you don't agree - 100% - with everything that the President thinks, says and does, you have to be decalred "nuts"..

 

[chobie]

Jesus could spot a phoney when he saw one, too.

Her public protests are not immune to comment because she lost a son. Another meeting with Bush would change nothing! It's a phoney ploy by her.

With her inane comments of hers (and the groups she associates with) is she concerned about moms and dads who are proud of their sons and daughers serving (and perhaps dead or wounded) in the same war?

She's sowing harsh comments and she's reaping harsh comments.

Oh, now you're comparing yourself to Jesus? Jesus probably wouldn't judge her or call her inane.

Keep it up Joe, show everyone what a hypocrite you are.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Joe, are you ignoring my question? If this war is so nobel, why have you not joined the military? Inquiring minds want to know?

As a wise man once said, "I only answer relevent and intelligent questions."

 

[Professor Mouse]

What has gotten the conservatives and Bushies so upset is the fact that they do not care about the fallen soliders and have done their best to hide the deaths in Iraq from the American public. Cindy Sheehan has put a face on the grief and that is bad news for the Bushies. Cindy Sheehan: The Human Face of A Nation at War

This isn’t about politics, it’s about grief. It’s about a growing group of ordinary citizens trying to teach this callous cowboy how to care,even as he bikes away his worries while the families of the 46 soldiers killed in the month of August alone attend funerals....

The Bush administration, though, has spared little effort and expense when it comes to shielding the grim reality of the war in Iraq from the public eye. Flag-draped coffins return to Dover in the dead of night, the corridors of Walter Reed Army Medical Center have been scrubbed from the slick-and-glossy covers of the print media, our TV screens have been sanitized, the slate of remembrance wiped clean and the public experience of war reduced to sterile statements of military commanders mindlessly mimicking the words “we are at war.”

As Andrew Rosenthal stated in his November 14, 2003 New York Times editorial: “this White House has done everything it can to keep Mr. Bush away from the families of the dead, at least when there might be a camera around. The wounded, thousands of them, are even more carefully screened from the public. And the Pentagon has continued its ban on media coverage of the return of flag-draped coffins to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, denying the dead soldiers and their loved ones even that simple public recognition of sacrifice.”

George Bush has not attended a single funeral of a fallen soldier. What is more, he has persistently sought to thwart any public, communal, nationwide mourning for these losses and thus denied all of us the opportunity to honor the dead. He has, in essence, placed a moratorium on mourning. And in so doing, he has done the people of this country a grave disservice, for, as Thomas Doherty, author of Projections of War: Hollywood, American Culture and World War II rightly points out, people of this nation also have a need to grieve. ...

But Cindy Sheehan has succeeded in putting a human face on a nation at war—hers is an attempt to force the administration to face the facts in a face-to-face confrontation with death and the lives that are destroyed and inalterably changed by it.

Bush does not want the American focusing on the real cost of this war. He has hidden the costs of the war from the budget numbers and has used every trick to keep the families who have lost loved ones out of the view of the press. Cindy Sheehan is putting a human face on the costs of this war and that is what is making Bush and the conservatives mad.

 

[peachgirl]

The number against her is growing too. We will see if the media gives them the same attention.

No, it isn't. It's the same old right wing bunch that attacks anyone who dares disagree with Bu$h. The change is that military families are beginning to find their voice and the courage to speak out.

The rightwingers are coming out in full force to attack, just as they've been taught to do. However, this time they're going to have to go after those very people who they supposedly so respect and are supposedly so grateful for.

That's going to be one tough trick to pull off...."We're thankful for your sacrifice, but shut up and go away" is not a great message.

If you are so thrilled with this war, why haven't you signed up to join the cause? Much like Cindy Sheehan, ignoring won't make it go away.

 

[Professor Mouse]

The number against her is growing too. We will see if the media gives them the same attention.

Joe, the military recruitment offices in Waco have been alerted to the counter protest by some Freepers and Bush supporters. The recruiters have been promised that they can make their quota by showing up at this "protest." The Sheehan supporters have copies of the application to join the armed forces made and ready to pass out. Nothing will run chickenhawks away like a copy of the sight of a military recruiter and people passing out enlistment appliations. Your counter protestors will either not show up or will run away so fast that it will be funny.

BTW, Joe, if you go to Waco, here are some places that you might want to visit.

Air Force Recruiting Office
306 Crossroads, Waco, TX 254-776-1733

Army Recruiting
119 Hewitt Dr, Waco, TX 254-420-1621

US Air Force Recruiting
1105 Wooded Acres Dr # 340, Waco, TX 254-776-2428

US Army Recruiting
1105 Wooded Acres Dr # 650, Waco, TX 254-772-4444

US Air Force Recruiting
1200 Richland Dr # D, Waco, TX 254-772-3651

US Army Recruiting
1200 Richland Dr # 365C, Waco, TX 254-776-1546

US Marine Corps Recruiting
1200 Richland Dr # B, Waco, TX 254-772-7754

US Naval Recruiting
1200 Richland Dr # 365A, Waco, TX 254-772-1993

US Naval Reserve Recruiting
2100 N New Rd, Waco, TX 254-776-0070

 

[lyeag]

She has been voicing this opinion of the war well before her son died. I can only imagine the pain she is in over her loss.

However, her son chose to reenlist. Her son chose to put himself into the combat situation that directly resulted in his death according to Cindy Sheehan herself. He was a mechanic. He chose to go on the mission. Had he really doubted the war and felt he had been lied to would he really have endangered himself even more?

Cindy Sheehan is a grieving mother and that alone deserves compassion, no matter how the child died. She believes she is doing something on his behalf. I think she is harming herself by aligning with some of the groups that have come to "support" her. Personally, she had this shrill opinion well before her son died. His death and the SGLI money that came from it is most likely what has allowed her to spend so much time and energy in his name. I wonder- when that money runs out will Code Pink and Michael Moore be there?

 

[peachgirl]

His death and the SGLI money that came from it is most likely what has allowed her to spend so much time and energy in his name.

Another nice slam from the right.

Do you have some proof that her expenses are being covered by insurance from her son's death? Even so, I don't think there is much doubt that she "earned" every dime she got (if any) and it's her right to spend it however she wants to.

It's my understanding that the absolute max he could have had was $250k. That's chump change to Michael Moore...I seriously doubt he's in it to get her money.

 

[chobie]

Even if Sheehan did not have any "leftist" groups supporting her the neocons would be vilifying anyway for daring to criticize Bush and for saying that her son's death was senseless. Even if she refused to have anything to do with any political group she would be slimed and maligned and written off as insane.

 

[DisDuck]

What noble cause are we fighting in Iraq? This is not AQ & Afghanistan. To a certain extent I agree with the arguement against cutting and running; however, what is wrong with setting a time table? The arguement that this would encourage the insurgents/terrorists to just wait it out is not logical or reasonable.

If a time table has the effect of encouraging a wait of the insurgants than that means the attacks on us and Iragi's will stop while waiting for us to leave. This would actually bring some stability and calm to the country. This would give us time and space to cintinue with Iraqi security force training and rebuilding of the country's infrastructure. THIS IS DIRECTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE INSURGANTS/TERRORISTS WANT. A lull works against them. So the attacks will continue anyway and therefore setting a time table is not detrimental.

A time table will also have the impact of putting a 'gun' to the Iraqi leaders to hold up their end; otherwise, if they are not ready to govern then a civil war will ensue and who know what will happen then. The current leadership may even lose their lives. Why Bush does not want to try this route I don't know but without a time table when will the Iraqi's ever be ready?

IMHO there is no 'noble cause'. Fighting for our freedom is ridiculous. When did Iraq ever have the capability to physically attack the USA? And if they did have WMD to give to terrorist; how come they never gave any to anyone? So that disposes of the argument about arming terrorists. Saddam never armed anyone with anything. If he had the Israeli's would have done something about him years ago just like they took out Iran's nuclear facility.

Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq is nothing more than a bully showing off his muscles. In 2003 there were and still are more dangerous countries to USA but 'too' strong and not the push over that Iraq was. There are also more horrible dictators like in Sudan than Saddam who need replacing but USA has done nothing about them. Why? Is it because Sudan has nothing we need?

Any parent, spouse who has lost someone in Iraq should be asking the same questions as Sheehan whether they agree with Bush's policy or not. When will this conflict end? What is being accomplished by this conflict?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

No, it isn't. It's the same old right wing bunch that attacks anyone who dares disagree with Bu$h. The change is that military families are beginning to find their voice and the courage to speak out.

Oh yes, if we on the right disagree it's an "attack." I guess Cindy's words are not an "attack" but rational, reasoned, and civil thoughts.

Oh yes, it's brave Cindy that's helped to give these families the voice and courage to speak out.

How about "everyone loves a circus." And the same left-wing "bunch" is there.

 

[Professor Mouse]

As a wise man once said, "I only answer relevent and intelligent questions."

Actually, you have answered my questions. Since I am not going to assume that you are a coward, this means that you really do not believe that war in Iraq is a nobel cause. Both you and Cindy Sheehan are in agreement on this issue, the war in Iraq is not a nobel cause. Thanks for confirming the basic premise behind Cindy Sheehan's main reason for protesting this war in Iraq.

 

[lyeag]

Another nice slam from the right.

Do you have some proof that her expenses are being covered by insurance from her son's death? Even so, I don't think there is much doubt that she "earned" every dime she got (if any) and it's her right to spend it however she wants to.

It's my understanding that the absolute max he could have had was $250k. That's chump change to Michael Moore...I seriously doubt he's in it to get her money.

Not a slam at all. She has a right to the money. I never implied that at all. You really need to stop inferring what isn't there.

SGLI money goes to next of kin. He was single. Therefore his parents would have been listed as next of kin. Yes, 250K is the max. I am simply saying she is probably using her own money (the SGLI) in her son's name. I wonder when it runs out will Code Pink and Michael Moore help her out? It is my understanding she is unemployed right now. I didn't say Michael Moore is in it for her money. I just wonder how much conern he will have for her when she cannot afford to continue her efforts.

 

[rcyannacci]

I don't control the news cycle. She is allowed to control the news cycle whether anyone responds or not. Why don't they investigate her website, show what she is really about? Because she would no longer be newsworthy at that point.

Yes, but you could. You are a citizen; she is a citizen. She's not breaking the law; she's playing by the "rules" as they've been established by the current political and media climate.

Bush is the one that continues to make her newsworthy by refusing to see her or answer her questions. She turned the tables on the leader of the free world and that's what has everybody's "panties in a wad," to quote our resident sage ThAnswr

There was a way for Bush & Co to diffuse the situation...and that time has now passed. My guess is because it is giving them amunition for something down the road. Or it could be another Schiavo disaster. Time will tell.

 

[BuckNaked]

Would any, some or all of the people that are repeatedly accusing others of sliming Sheehan do me a favor? Could you please explain to me what you consider sliming? Because it seems to me that anyone that doesn't agree with what this woman is doing and dares to say so is accused of sliming a grieving mother.

TIA.

 

[chobie]

Saying she is using her son's death for political reasons is sliming. Saying that you disagree with her politics and the way she is getting her mesaage across would not be sliming. Calling her inane, shrill, etc is sliming. Got it?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Yes, but you could. You are a citizen; she is a citizen. She's not breaking the law; she's playing by the "rules" as they've been established by the current political and media climate.

Bush is the one that continues to make her newsworthy by refusing to see her or answer her questions. She turned the tables on the leader of the free world and that's what has everybody's "panties in a wad," to quote our resident sage ThAnswr

There was a way for Bush & Co to diffuse the situation...and that time has now passed. My guess is because it is giving them amunition for something down the road. Or it could be another Schiavo disaster. Time will tell.

Oh yes, she "turned the table on the leader of the free world." She'll be in alll the history books.

If only Bush had met her - AGAIN - then all would be well. Cindy begs to differ.

The media decides what is newsworthy all on its own. Meeting with her - AGAIN - would not change anything.

(I didn't know "ThAnswr" is your resident sage. Is she sharing duties with "Professor Mouse" ?)