Bush Family Values

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by dmadman43
I gather you prefer a liar or an admitted war criminal in the White House?

I don't prefer war criminals and liars that's why I want Bush out.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Actually Kerry was quoting what other veterans had told him. That's basic and you should know better at this stage of the game.

As for war criminals and liars in the White House...you've already got 2...and did I mention that they are CONVICTED "CRIMINALS...DID I???

Well, actually, no he wasn't. But I mispoke. It was "Meet the Press", not the Dick Cavett Show

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971

So... what is it? Liar? Or War Criminal?

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
I don't prefer war criminals and liars that's why I want Bush out.

When did Bush, LIKE KERRY? Admit to being a war criminal?

And the Cambodia thing? Liar? Or did Nixon, before being sworn into office, send him to Cambodia? A memory "seared in his brain".

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by dmadman43
Did I mention that Clinton was a convicted criminal but managed to serve out his term? Any comment on that? Or do you have a different standard for Democrats?

Sorry...this is the BUSH IS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL THREAD.


Another deflector.....geeez!

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Sorry...this is the BUSH IS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL THREAD.


Another deflector.....geeez!

As simple, "yes, I have a different standard" would have sufficed.

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by dmadman43
As simple, "yes, I have a different standard" would have sufficed.

"the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals. "


Sounds like he was following orders. How hot was the fire zone at the dentists' office in Alabama?

And...uh...still no comment about BUSH THE CONVICTED CRIMINAL.


BUSH WAR CRIMES

Initial Complaint
Charging

George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker,
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell,
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named
With

Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Preliminary Statement...........



http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm


and here's one for Dubya....

http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Psst here a hint for you Kendra...care to see the Video of your boy "W" drunk when he was on the wagon????

News Flash....Clinton ain't the subject darling. It's Bush and Cheney. The only CONVICTED CRIMINALS TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. And you support them....you must be so proud.


Here's your video....grab the popcorn and a BIG helping of crow.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/bush/bush_tsg.mov

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush.html

Are you for real? You're as hypocritical as the last Democratic President (oops, the last two--wow!) and the one you want in office this coming election!

That was 1992!!!! Geesh! This upsets you? A night drinking 12 years ago? He hasn't, as I've said before, shown any impropriety since being in office. So, no, this information isn't a big deal to me. Now, having oral sex in the white house with someone other than one's wife, groping other women, possibly raping another woman, biting other women, having troopers try to find women, having ongoing affairs for years and years. . .yes, this all bothers me more than getting drunk at a wedding.

Did I forget perjuring? Did I forget impeachment? Did I forget to mention that Clinton had shown absolutely ZERO honor and NO decency by not resigning?

For someone who thinks they hold a monopoly on tolerance you show no forgiveness when it doesn't fit with your agenda!

Newsflash for you: Bush supporters don't really care if Bush got drunk one evening 12 years ago to celebrate at a wedding. Bush supporters RESPECT the dignity he has brought BACK to the White House after we were unfortunate enough to have 8 years of none.

And, please: talk about dishonor. Kerry has admitted to atrocities and incidents that would fall under the category of war crimes. ADMITTED to this. Much, much worse than a few too many drinks.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
"the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals. "


Sounds like he was following orders. How hot was the fire zone at the dentists' office in Alabama?

And...uh...still no comment about BUSH THE CONVICTED CRIMINAL.


BUSH WAR CRIMES

Initial Complaint
Charging

George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker,
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell,
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named
With

Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Preliminary Statement...........



http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm


and here's one for Dubya....

http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/

Oh, I see. The Nazi defense of "I was just following orders" Gotcha! So, Kerry is so devoid of character that he wouldn't refure to follow an order that, being an officer, knew full well violated the Geneva Convention?

I already commented on the "convicted criminal". I said I would talk a DUI over war crimes and sedition any day of the week. There! satisfied?

It appears you perfer war crimes and sedition. To each his own.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Actually Kerry was quoting what other veterans had told him. That's basic and you should know better at this stage of the game.

As for war criminals and liars in the White House...you've already got 2...and did I mention that they are CONVICTED CRIMINALS...DID I???

Oh, wow. . .you are one scary fellow.

We obviously don't care. You are beating a 12 year old dead pony and a 28 year old dead horse. Do you understand that these issues hold no water. . .carry no weight?

I'm proud to support Bush. His dui and night out partying are not issues to me nor to those who support him.

 

[poohandwendy]

Actually, I know 2 people who were CONVICTED of DUI in the past and I back them 100%. Why? Because I trust them, I know their character now and I know that they made a horrible mistake in the PAST.

As one of 5 children in my family, I know it is foolish to gauge a person's 'family values' by the actions of their adult siblings.

News Flash....Clinton ain't the subject darling. It's Bush and Cheney. The only CONVICTED CRIMINALS TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.

As the person who started this thread you, of all people, should know the subject is the family values of Neil Bush...or have you decided to change subjects after you realized that your orginal topic wasn't even remotely relevant?

I have to say, the political climate is getting quite rabid the closer we come to the election, on both sides...it really shows the true character of some people.... not their character of the past...but their character right now. It's interesting.

 

[shortbun]

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm personally loving
the Ignore function these days.
Occassionally, I do peek but not today. All is good.

try it, you'll like it!

 

[JimB.]

Sorry...this is the BUSH IS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL THREAD.

Gee, I thought you started this out as a "Neil Bush is a lousy Husband Thread"

DeflectioN??

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Sorry to hear you're losing it.
You accused Kerry of treason, I pointed out that he wasn't convicted or charged with a crime and that Bush and Cheney have a criminal record. I've asked you to answer why Kerry wasn't charged and how it is you can defend a president and a vice president that are convicted criminals.

Seems fairly simple...too bad you can't handle that one...I'll wait.

The best you can do is evade the question and make weak deflections of the issues.

Doesn't take alot of smarts to accomplish that. No wonder Bush is your boy.

Your petty attempt at insults notwithstanding, I haven't accused Kerry of treason. I pointed out the section of the US code that most are referring to and said that is where some are making their argument. I don't know why Kerry wasn't charged and frankly could care less why Kerry wasn't charged. And if you'll point out where I have attempted to defend President Bush on his DUI conviction then you may change my mind on which one of us is losing it. It I did, then I may indeed be losing it because I certainly don't remember doing it.

Again, your insults are lame and petty. But I have a proposition for you. You take your guy Kerry and I'll take the other guy Bush. Come January one of them will be sworn in as President. If it's Kerry, I'll leave the DIS. Forever. If it's Bush, you leave the DIS. Forever.

Richard

 

[nativetxn]

How did a story about a divorce turn into someone leaving the DIS forever?

Come on people, this is silly.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Seems to be giving Bush a nice run for the money. Check the latest Newsweek poll. Bush is behind...sorry!

Check The Rasmussen Poll, the one the Kerry folks said we should pay attention to. President Bush has a 4 point lead.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
[BSounds like he was following orders. [/url] [/B]

DH served in Viet Nam, and typically Americans sustained casualties to protect the civilian population. There were NEVER orders to commit war crimes.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
There were NEVER orders to commit war crimes.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Actually Kerry was quoting what other veterans had told him. That's basic and you should know better at this stage of the game.

As for war criminals and liars in the White House...you've already got 2...and did I mention that they are CONVICTED CRIMINALS...DID I???

I really enjoy rubbing your nose in your own drivel, so here goes.

"Kerry was quoting what other veterans had told him" <~~~ so, if he quoted what turned out to be lies, then he is a liar by your definition.

After all, when Bush quoted what the CIA told him, you are calling him a liar when - after the fact - it turned out some of those things were wrong.

It is quite amusing to see you rely on the excuse = "he repeated what others told him" = to say that Kerry didn't lie, yet call Bush a liar for quoting what the CIA told him.

ESPECIALLY when the facts are that Kerry was one of the people who COACHED those "veterans" to tell the lies that they did - so he could repeat them in his testimony.

Oh yes - they were not all veterans either. That makes Kerry a conspirator in the fraudulent act - by YOUR definidion - not mine.

"That's basic and you should know better at this stage of the game." <~~~~~ correct - read the irrefutable logic above - using your own words.

PLUS - this gem ---

"As for war criminals and liars in the White House...you've already got 2...and did I mention that they are CONVICTED CRIMINALS...DID I???" <~~ I just love making fun of your clownish train of 'thought' (for lack of a better word.)

Normally, one has to pay grown people to make fools of themselves for entertainment.

But you do it for free.

Thank you so much.

AND - Did I mention that I really enjoy rubbing your nose in your own drivel?? DID I ????

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas

Oliver Stone? is that you?