Bush can just "taste" the coming spilling of American and Iraqi blood....

[EROS]

Originally posted by Nikole


Eros....ok so you're just stating your opinion and the rest of us aren't entitled to tell you we disagree with you?

I don't have a problem with ANYONE disagreeing with me. However, it has become fashionable to attack my writing style (fonts, colors, etc), or to say that I'm immature, or lack dignity. I find all such statements to be PERSONAL ATTACKS. However, I'm not the kind that runs to a moderator for cover. If I pulled 1/10 of the direct, personal nonsense that has been witnessed on this thread, I'm certain that I'd be banned. I DO make broad statements about GROUPS of people, but I don't single anyone out.

As for our operatives, they're NOT there to find WMD. That's the U.N. job. They're there to prepare the table for WAR.......

 

[Nikole]

Ok sooooo we're over there making sure we get the jump on him. We're making sure that WHEN the UN comes back and says he isn't cooperating we're ready to deal with him in a manner that is the least harmful to the Iraqi people and poses the least amount of danger to our soldiers.

Oh yeah I can see why you're against that......

As for everyone attacking you......Wow Eros...I had no idea you were so put upon?! My heart goes out to you!

 

[EROS]

C.ANN, Hussein has been dragged kicking and screaming into allowing the U.N. Inspections to resume. WHY???? Because both U.S. AND World Opinion was CLEAR that if he didn't allow resumed inspections, he would face WAR. I would have supported such a WAR.

However, the Inspectors are now there. They've looked at over 280 sites and will be looking at hundreds more. If Hussein doesn't impede or stop the inspections, then I see no reason to start the killing.

 

[CRB#33]

Please EROS, I've attacked you in the past. This isn't the same. I made suggestions that might help you get your point across to people in a way that isn't childlike.

If you are trying to get your views across--you've done that.

If you are trying to change people's minds, you need to change the way you speak to them.

That's just a fact of life, not an attack.

 

[Nikole]

And EROS you were pro-war if he was not willing to allow inspectors? BUT because he had NO other choice but allow them....you know think that he is blameless? That he ISN"T hiding WMD?

 

[Mackey Mouse]

But wait.........what is it you want us to do??? that was my question to you.. how do you want us to affect a change in what is going on... I am actually asking you.... sorry that you feel that you have been made fun of.....really who has been doing the name calling and the finger pointing..... c'mon be fair.

 

[Nikole]

That argument simply makes no logical sense.

It was ok to go to war with Iraq when he wouldn't allow inspectors even though EVERYONE knows he's harboring WMD.

Yet since he has allowed us to look in....after he had time to hide everything........when he kicks the UN inspectors out again........It's NOT ok to go to war with Iraq?

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by Nikole
We're making sure that WHEN the UN comes back and says he isn't cooperating we're ready to deal with him in a manner that is the least harmful to the Iraqi people and poses the least amount of danger to our soldiers.

Nikole, I've said several times here that I don't think that BUSH has any interest in the U.N.'s activities there. By all reports, the inspectors haven't found WMD to date; I think that George is terrrrrrrrrrrrrrribly disappointed by their incompetence but will offer his own rationalization for starting the killing.He has already said that the 12,000 page declaration placed IRAQ in a "material breach". I think that he'd start the bombing NOW, regardless of the U.N Inspections, if our troops were all in place.

 

[Nikole]

EROS.......so the fact that he has hidden his weapons well means they're no longer there? That he is no longer a threat? Again...where's the logic in that. Are you claiming that just because the inspectors don't find them......they aren't there?

 

[Goofyposter]

eros...as usual...I feel sorry for you....you chronically set yourself up for a variety of 'self forfilling predictions'...that simply promote your lack of faith in humanity.....I hope in you're personal life (which you chose not to share here)..you find a greater degree of happiness!

 

[Zurg]

Originally posted by EROS
Well written, Zurg,

Wow never saw that coming.

THANKS

Originally posted by EROS
I think that you give BUSH too much credit.

Yeah well that may be, I often thing you give the rest of us too little credit so I guess that we are about even on the thinking about credit score.

I have said here and else where I am not a fan of beating the drums of war. I think the speak softly and carry a big strick approch is better than shooting your mouth off and a big stck.

Either IMHO is better than fluff talk about peace is only appeasement.

You talk boldly about how Bush doesn't respect the UN. Implicit in your critisism it seems is the implication that Bush's enemy some how respects the UN. I for one don't see it now, havent seen it in the past 11 years or before that.

If there is a warit willbe solly Sadam choice.

Again let me be clear. I hope and pray there is no war. Because by far and away the most pain will be suffered by ordinary Iraqi conscripts who have no choice in the matter.

Be clear how Sadam used his troops in the gulf war. The 'elite' republican gaurd was held back with orders to shoot any conscripts who retreated. That is why the gave up in droves.

IMHO Sadam has less respect for Iraqi lives than anyone.

Well off to put kids to bed. This is very selfish but I am so glad we live in the USA, we got our faults but at least we can talk about them. I understand that isn't permitedin Iraq.

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by EROS
C.ANN, Hussein has been dragged kicking and screaming into allowing the U.N. Inspections to resume. WHY???? Because both U.S. AND World Opinion was CLEAR that if he didn't allow resumed inspections, he would face WAR. I would have supported such a WAR.

However, the Inspectors are now there. They've looked at over 280 sites and will be looking at hundreds more. If Hussein doesn't impede or stop the inspections, then I see no reason to start the killing.

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This is exactly what I mean! Mumbo jumbo.. You didn't answer the questions!!

What if he doesn't comply?? When is enough enough?? And what do you propose we do about it if he doesn't comply??

These are NOT difficult questions.. They are direct and to the point.. Do you have answers or not?

My gut tells me you have no answers because you haven't thought this scenario through to the conclusion.. If I'm wrong, then answer the questions...

Could it be that if he DOESN'T comply, then you feel it's okay to kill innocent women and children in Iraq and put our military in harms way?

Wow - that would certainly be an awkward position to admit, wouldn't it??

 

[EROS]

EROS.......so the fact that he has hidden his weapons well means they're no longer there?

On the contrary, I feel that Saddam IS still hiding WMD. That's what the Inspectors are there for. When they're found, they can be DESTROYED............as they were during the first round of inspections. If our intent is to DISARM him, we can accomplish it WITHOUT KILLING as long as the U.N. Inspections continue.

If MY SON was in the military, I would want to feel that the President had done EVERYTHING in his power to avert WAR.....and possibly prevent my child's death. I have NO CONFIDENCE that Bush has any intention of TRYING to avert conflict; he wants "regime change", aka Saddam's head, and is determined to get it WHATEVER the human cost .......

 

[Nikole]

Bush won't attack until Saddam boots the weapons inspectors again. Then what...is it ok to do that then? C'mon you KNOW Hussein is going through the motions for show. He has no intention of fully complying. He hasn't for the last 11 years!

My husband is in the military. He's active duty. I obviously have no wish for my husband to be hurt or shipped off to war somewhere. However, if/when the time comes I'll know damn well that he's doing what is right and he's helping to get rid of a man who has no regard for human life. Zurg is 100% correct......hussein has zero regard for human life especially when it comes to his own people!

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by C.Ann


What if he doesn't comply?? When is enough enough?? And what do you propose we do about it if he doesn't comply??

I'll be as clear as I can be. At present, Hussein IS complying. There have been no reports that he has impeded U.N. inspections.

If he chooses to HALT the inspections and prevent our ability to ferret out secreted WMD,then I would SUPPORT a WAR. Is that clear enough?????

 

[Nikole]

OK so you support war when he kicks the inspectors back out?

Oh come on, where is your concern for the innocent Iraqi people?! I mean isn't it against your beliefs to go to war?!

The UN inspectors are still there. Bush hasn't started a war, nor will he until saddam boots them again. So your point is??????????????

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by Nikole
Bush won't attack until Saddam boots the weapons inspectors again.

This is a very politically naive view. Bush and the Administration has made it clear that they "reserve" the right for us to declare WAR on IRAQ if we feel that our national interests are threatened. Bush could care less about the inspections. Of course, he'll have to find some kind of PR cover to start dropping the bombs if the Inspectors haven't found anything. Perhaps if they find a 10 year old nerve gas cannister, Killer George will start the killing.............

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by Nikole

Oh come on, where is your concern for the innocent Iraqi people?! I mean isn't it against your beliefs to go to war?!

Excuse me. I have NEVER stated that I'm a pacifist. I'm NOT.

I've simply said that many men and women and children have been killed over the centuries by WARS initiated unnecessarily. Just look at the 56,000 lives which the U.S. government sacrificed in Vietnam to prevent "Communist domination of S.E. Asia". 56,000 of our best and brightest KILLED because of inept leadership in Washington.

OK, perhaps we don't face the same conflagration again in IRAQ. I just don't feel that ANY lives should be lost, American or Iraqi, without exhausting all alternatives. ...........

 

[Nikole]

Originally posted by EROS
This is a very politically naive view. Bush and the Administration has made it clear that they "reserve" the right for us to declare WAR on IRAQ if we feel that our national interests are threatened. Bush could care less about the inspections. Of course, he'll have to find some kind of PR cover to start dropping the bombs if the Inspectors haven't found anything. Perhaps if they find a 10 year old nerve gas cannister, Killer George will start the killing.............

LMAO And I'd say those views are naive if you think that Saddam will allow the inspectors to fully perform their job. It is even more naive to think he will be in full compliance until all materials are found and destroyed. It is naive to believe that he isn't plotting and planning further harm and destruction.

Sorry Eros but I'll have to side with Bush on this one. I couldn't care less about the inspections either because all they are is another stalling tactic for Saddam to keep plotting and planning and producing more WMD. I say why wait and let him cause further damage.

If you fully believe that Saddam is over and done with and will not cause further harm to the American people or the Iraqi people then I'd say that is a naive view.

 

[Nikole]

And on that note.......lest you think I've changed my mind and can't dispute your comments any further.......... I'm going to bed