Bush at 36%, how low can he go?

[LuvDuke]

it's a nice thought, but I highly doubt it. it's the most unstable region in the world and always will be. but let's invade and give and take life in W's little experiment. how bad could it be? we'll have colonized Mars before the there's peace in the middle east, or they vaporize each other. maybe little butter-head W is a genius...invade, occupy, divide. let them kill each other in civil wars. oops, we tried, they did it to themselves.

btw, I'm voting for Captain Capslock in 2008, if I have a choice in the matter.

Actually, Bush really did bring democracy to the Middle East in the form of elections. However, the results of Bush's democratization has resulted in Hamas in Palestine, a fundamentalist nut in Iran, and a Shiite-led pro-Iranian government in Iraq. Ooo, maybe that was the plan all along.

Yanno, there's a reason why Mubarak in Eqypt doesn't encourage free and open elections. If he did, the Al-Zawahari's (Al-Qaeda's real @#2) Muslim Brotherhood would win.

 

[TCPluto]

Here we go again. Do you ever think beyond the talking points?

Now come on. Just when it appeared that you were going to act like an adult, you had to go and do this. You turn it into a personal attack.

Did you get beat up on the way to school and have your lunch money stolen everyday??

 

[LuvDuke]

Because we were a party to those resolutions and we took them seriously.

Doubly so when you want to use them as another excuse to go to war.

With regard to the planes; we have excellent pilots.

Finally, something we agree on.

 

[LuvDuke]

Now come on. Just when it appeared that you were going to act like an adult, you had to go and do this. You turn it into a personal attack.

Did you get beat up on the way to school and have your lunch money stolen everyday??

Still looking for those facts to refute all the arguments you claim are bogus?

 

[TCPluto]

Still looking for those facts to refute all the arguments you claim are bogus?

Nah, Red Wings are up 3 zip on the Canucks right now, 1st period. Much more important than this discussion...

 

[eclectics]

We certainly can go off on our own when it is in the best interest of our country to do so. We do not allow ourselves to be "oppressed" by the UN, at least not under this administration. When you see that it was France, Germany, Russia and China that had veto power with regard to Iraq and then you see which countries were most deeply involved in oil for food, then it should be apparent to you that there votes should have been null and void!

Sorry, no matter how many ways you say it, when you belong to a organization, you should obey the rules. Not to do so is just arrogant. Iraq was not such a serious threat to our soil that we could not have waited longer. I would much rather have had Bush pull us out of the UN and then invaded Iraq, then to just say to them "Well the hell with you, we're doing it our way, and oh by the way, we still want to be part of you, but only when we approve of what you're doing". I don't think that was right and I would say the same thing if Gore had done it. And a dishonorable mention to the UK for doing the same thing. It could have been handled much better, imho.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Why do you say that? In you opinion, are the people in the midle east incapable?

The Capn' has about as good a chance as the last two democrat candidates.

well if they are capable, they've been doing a pretty crappy job of proving it. it's just a more violent version of the good old USA. a faction of religious whack jobs thinking their beliefs are the only ones that matter, and will gladly kill or die for them. W is only interested in the killing part.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LuvDuke
The few, the proud, the 34% and dropping.

As a great Republican once said "you can fool some of the people all of the time."

I think that sums up this entire thread!!

 

[TCPluto]

well if they are capable, they've been doing a pretty crappy job of proving it. it's just a more violent version of the good old USA. a faction of religious whack jobs thinking their beliefs are the only ones that matter, and will gladly kill or die for them. W is only interested in the killing part.

Don't get me wrong, you may very well be right in your assumption about their inability for peace.

The public video display of beheadings has the entire region painted with an ugly brush. That's what many of them seem to value.

I think this is all the more reason to keep them from truly global acts of terror on any level, particularly when considering nuclear weapons, and the quest for them.

 

[eclectics]

I think this is all the more reason to keep them from truly global acts of terror on any level, particularly when considering nuclear weapons, and the quest for them.

Too late. People seem to forget we are possibly one religious coup in Pakistan away from the end of the world as we know it. And I sure hope no one riles up Israel too much either. The threat to us that Iraq did or did not have kind of pales in comparison, doesn't it?

 

[TCPluto]

The threat to us that Iraq did or did not have kind of pales in comparison, doesn't it?

Not at all.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I think when you look at the whole 'axis of evil' model, Iraq isn't even in the same league as Iran and N. Korea, let alone the same ball park. do we have to be proactive as a country about protecting ourselves and taking it too those who seek to do us harm, absolutely. but Iraq was way down on the 'to do' list.

 

[eclectics]

Not at all.

So Pakistan and Israel exchanging nuclear warheads doesn't scare you but a few scuds Saddam might or might not have had hanging around the house does? Interesting take on things, but to each his own.

 

[LakeAriel]

The delusional beliefs that these people hold, such as the belief you quoted, are exactly why they are in the minority, and will never be taken seriously. Neither in this country nor the world.

They're not looking for serious discussion, only to spew their garbage. These folks don't live in the real world, the interent is the only place they can come together and find such wacked out companionship.

Hit a nerve did I? No longer in the minority here, and never was globally. This administration is despised around the world. I used to be a proud American. I'd like to get back there. When is the impeachment?

 

[What the Heck]

I think when you look at the whole 'axis of evil' model, Iraq isn't even in the same league as Iran and N. Korea, let alone the same ball park. do we have to be proactive as a country about protecting ourselves and taking it too those who seek to do us harm, absolutely. but Iraq was way down on the 'to do' list.

That depends on your frame of reference. At the time, the world believed that Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Even after we had were in Iraq, and on our way to Baghdad, everyone "knew" they would be found. The reasoning that we should not have went in because he didn't have Weapons of Mass Destruction didn't take hold until after we had already taken over the country. Even the French/Germans/Russians didn't say he didn't have the Weapons, they just didn't think we have enough reasons to stop the billions they were receving from Iraq.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

That depends on your frame of reference. At the time, the world believed that Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Even after we had were in Iraq, and on our way to Baghdad, everyone "knew" they would be found. The reasoning that we should not have went in because he didn't have Weapons of Mass Destruction didn't take hold until after we had already taken over the country. Even the French/Germans/Russians didn't say he didn't have the Weapons, they just didn't think we have enough reasons to stop the billions they were receving from Iraq.

belief and proof are two separate sides of the table. a lot of people in this country believe in angels, but can offer no proof. even if Iraq had WMD's there was no viable proof they were planning on using them against us. and if there was, it was manufactured by W's boys, because there obviously weren't any weapons to use or distribute to the 'terrorists'. this was an invasion of opportunity and personal need by our current religiously delusional idiot of a 'leader'.

 

[Teejay32]

Btw, do you know how many planes were hit by Saddam Hussein in the 12 years of the no-fly zone? None.............that should've told you something right there.

That's a lie. He even shot one down on 9/11. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/11/iraq.htm

I see it repeated here every so often. What purpose does it serve?

 

[lw49033]

As to Iraq. For you to categorize the USA as "invaders" does not make it so.

Entering another country's territory without permission is called an invasion.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

the middle east at it's finest from USA Today:

Afghan man prosecuted for converting
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan man who allegedly converted from Islam to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.

The defendant, Abdul Rahman, was arrested last month after his family went to the police and accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told Associated Press in an interview. Such a conversion would violate the country's Islamic laws.

Rahman, who is believed to be 41, was charged with rejecting Islam when his trial started last week, the judge said.

During the hearing, the defendant allegedly confessed that he converted from Islam to Christianity 16 years ago when he was 25 and working as a medical aid worker for Afghan refugees in neighboring Pakistan, Mawlavezada said.

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which states that any Muslim who rejects their religion should be sentenced to death.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam. ... The prosecutor is asking for the death penalty."

peace is definately on the horizon, way to go once again organized religions and governments.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

That's a lie. He even shot one down on 9/11. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/11/iraq.htm

I see it repeated here every so often. What purpose does it serve?

a drone? please.