Bungalows and Cabins - a racket

[mlayton14]

Next offering - skyliner bungalows at Disney riviera resort - only 400 points per night with cut the line access to skyliner cabins

 

[crvetter]

Next offering - skyliner bungalows at Disney riviera resort - only 400 points per night with cut the line access to skyliner cabins

We have the breakdown of rooms for Riviera pretty fair spread. Similar to BLT which I don’t seem to hear many complaints on its spread. I also suspect the rooms will be larger than BLT for the studios at least.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/m...n-dated-01-19-19.3734585/page-6#post-60275465

 

[DougEMG]

The other problem that the bungalows and cabins create is that since those points sold at CCR/POLY aren't being used to book the bungalows/cabins, owners are forced to move to other resorts at 7 months because there isn't anything they can book at their home resort. This ends up making the 7 month booking harder for all DVC owners.

 

[Matty B13]

Yeah, the idea that the DVC studio only resort Poly (with Bungalows) would clear up the issues with studio booking didn't work out so well, and in fact has only made it worse.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Are all the Copper Creek Cabins declared into DVC inventory? I thought half of them would be hotel inventory. But I'm probably wrong. But those Cascade Cabins are really nice, much nicer than the Bungalows.

 

[bwvBound]

Next offering - skyliner bungalows at Disney riviera resort

Like these?

Or maybe more like:

Perhaps they could use an actual gondola ... ??

 

[The Jackal]

Are all the Copper Creek Cabins declared into DVC inventory? I thought half of them would be hotel inventory. But I'm probably wrong. But those Cascade Cabins are really nice, much nicer than the Bungalows.

I think CCV is over 75% declared and will most likely sell out by summer. I think most of the bungalows are in DVC inventory.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Are all the Copper Creek Cabins declared into DVC inventory? I thought half of them would be hotel inventory. But I'm probably wrong. But those Cascade Cabins are really nice, much nicer than the Bungalows.

All of them are going to DVC. I don't believe that quite all have been declared yet but I think there maybe only be 1 or 2 more declarations left to be done there.

 

[crvetter]

All of them are going to DVC. I don't believe that quite all have been declared yet but I think there maybe only be 1 or 2 more declarations left to be done there.

Agreed all will be declared into CCV's assocation, I think 1-2 cabins aren't as of this date only. Thus someone bought points against them. However, they are preforming better than the bungalows. At least they are sold out prior to the 60 days in some weeks. I haven't seen that with the bungalows. But they should just have done 10 of them or something if it was a must.

 

[Matty B13]

Agreed all will be declared into CCV's assocation, I think 1-2 cabins aren't as of this date only. Thus someone bought points against them. However, they are preforming better than the bungalows. At least they are sold out prior to the 60 days in some weeks. I haven't seen that with the bungalows. But they should just have done 10 of them or something if it was a must.

After our resent stay at VGF and several walks over to the Poly for some dinners and dole whips, the more and more I see the bungalows as an eye sore at the Poly than a good addition. They just cleared out to many palm trees to accommodate what was needed for all those bungalows.

 

[crvetter]

After our resent stay at VGF and several walks over to the Poly for some dinners and dole whips, the more and more I see the bungalows as an eye sore at the Poly than a good addition. They just cleared out to many palm trees to accommodate what was needed for all those bungalows.

Agreed I see them much uglier than the cabins. I think the cabins fit well on the shores of CCV/WL very well. The bungalows aren't over top of crystal blue water like Tahiti. But the cabins look like cabins on the woods in the lake so thematically fit the resort.

 

[Matty B13]

Agreed I see them much uglier than the cabins. I think the cabins fit well on the shores of CCV/WL very well. The bungalows aren't over top of crystal blue water like Tahiti. But the cabins look like cabins on the woods in the lake so thematically fit the resort.

We just visited the Wilderness Lodge for the Snow White dinner at AP (which was very good), and we took the boat over, and I agree with you the cabins seem much more natural to the surroundings of the resort.

 

[sky2823]

Not scientific, but my stalking of the site the last 8 months, seems bungalows are way more available than the cabins. The cabins are also lower points than bungalows and have universally received rave reviews (and awards)

The other thing and I’m sure this will be debated, but there is an upside with low availability at CCV. It gives value to the 11 month window. If you want to stay there you better own it.

I know it’s a fine line between high demand and actual owners not getting what room they want at the resort they own.

However, CCV will probably have one of the most valuable “home priority” considering Xmas demand, WL demand, overall small size and cabin issue.

Now if it will truly be impossible to get studios for owners, then that will have a major impact.

But outside of Xmas, which has been exacerbated by walking I have seen studios available at 11, 10 months etc... Now they go quick, but so does VGF, BWV and BC.

I could be wrong but based on 11 month window, no resale restriction on the existing 14, full benefits and developer credits, I think CCV is still a very good value proposition and might be the “last” of the good direct deals if they maintain the stipulations being out on Riviera.

I say this even with the cabins eating up the points.

Riviera like BLT will be huge, have great room type distribution and there will be no reason to own because 75% of the time you will be able to get the room you want at 7 months with your $100 per point SSR contract.

Just my opinion though...

 

[crvetter]

Not scientific, but my stalking of the site the last 8 months, seems bungalows are way more available than the cabins. The cabins are also lower points than bungalows and have universally received rave reviews (and awards)

The other thing and I’m sure this will be debated, but there is an upside with low availability at CCV. It gives value to the 11 month window. If you want to stay there you better own it.

I know it’s a fine line between high demand and actual owners not getting what room they want at the resort they own.

However, CCV will probably have one of the most valuable “home priority” considering Xmas demand, WL demand, overall small size and cabin issue.

Now if it will truly be impossible to get studios for owners, then that will have a major impact.

But outside of Xmas, which has been exacerbated by walking I have seen studios available at 11, 10 months etc... Now they go quick, but so does VGF, BWV and BC.

I could be wrong but based on 11 month window, no resale restriction on the existing 14, full benefits and developer credits, I think CCV is still a very good value proposition and might be the “last” of the good direct deals if they maintain the stipulations being out on Riviera.

I say this even with the cabins eating up the points.

Riviera like BLT will be huge, have great room type distribution and there will be no reason to own because 75% of the time you will be able to get the room you want at 7 months with your $100 per point SSR contract.

Just my opinion though...

We know the distribution of Riviera now through fillings with the regulators in Florida. It is split pretty well and almost inline with BLT ratio of room types. It will have 341 rooms vs BLT with 281 rooms so no point eating units like PVB or CCV.

I agree with you on the cabins people that own at CCV have sold out the cabins at a few times of the year so some owners bought to stay there especially when an entire week is gone. This is not happening with the bungalows. The cabins are going to within the 7 month window on peak travel days too.

As for CCV availability I got on right at 8 for Thanksgiving and Christmas week I was able to easily get the rooms I wanted. I suspect it might get tougher but considering they were gone around 8:01 and only the first day my guess is walkers make it a bit tougher. I bought here for Thanksgiving tine specifically.

 

[bwvBound]

We know the distribution of Riviera now through fillings with the regulators in Florida. It is split pretty well and almost inline with BLT ratio of room types. It will have 341 rooms vs BLT with 281 rooms so no point eating units like PVB or CCV.

For this phase ...

 

[crvetter]

For this phase ...

You think they plan on building more to Riviera? I doubt it as they are claiming 1 building only to the regulators and for that building we have the entire unit count. Plus they already said Reflections is the next site (even referenced in the POS for Riviera). I just don’t think they will add anything to Riviera since if they do it will be 2024 at minimum before they do and probably wouldn’t go over very well if they tried. So I’m not sure if they did build the another phase if they could absorb that phase into the same association without a large backlash if they were point heavy. The one time they did this with the treehouses was beneficial for original SSR owners because they increased the cost of the treehouses because they ended up being very popular. So I guess one time it did work in the favor of the original owners

 

[GoingSince1990]

I’ve noticed that a Poly bungalow costs the same in terms of points as a VGF Grand Villa, even though the GV is absolutely vast, with an enormous living space and kitchen and 3 bedrooms, while the bungalow is cramped by comparison (2 bedrooms, and I would not want to stay in one with more than 4 people). The setting and private deck is nice but I don’t think makes up for the difference in size.

 

[bwvBound]

You think they plan on building more to Riviera? I doubt it as they are claiming 1 building only to the regulators and for that building we have the entire unit count. Plus they already said Reflections is the next site (even referenced in the POS for Riviera). I just don’t think they will add anything to Riviera since if they do it will be 2024 at minimum before they do and probably wouldn’t go over very well if they tried. So I’m not sure if they did build the another phase if they could absorb that phase into the same association without a large backlash if they were point heavy. The one time they did this with the treehouses was beneficial for original SSR owners because they increased the cost of the treehouses because they ended up being very popular. So I guess one time it did work in the favor of the original owners

If I recall correctly, SSR had multiple phases (even before treehouses). It seems not all was/were disclosed before the earliest sales. FWIW, that property grew far beyond my expectations (as a pre-open buyer in 2004). So, my takeaway was a simple negative impression, "Don't trust DVD." (Just a tiny, lingering impression ...)

 

[crvetter]

If I recall correctly, SSR had multiple phases (even before treehouses). It seems not all was/were disclosed before the earliest sales. FWIW, that property grew far beyond my expectations (as a pre-open buyer in 2004). So, my takeaway was a simple negative impression, "Don't trust DVD." (Just a tiny, lingering impression ...)

I understand the lack of trust though as the facts are currently they aren’t adding another phase (nor do I personally think the land exist to do it without eating more of CBR which they put quite a bit of money into). Also I’ll have to go back and look at the phasing that was declared in the original SSR documents but even if they did declare more they were for identical building types with same unit types nothing out of the type you were suggesting in the post I replied to. So my comment was to show of what you were suggesting the only example is treeehouse villas which didn’t have the impact of pushing in points with no one using them. Quite different they were quite popular and ended up making the original home types cheaper.

 

[bwvBound]

I understand the lack of trust though as the facts are currently they aren’t adding another phase (nor do I personally think the land exist to do it without eating more of CBR which they put quite a bit of money into). Also I’ll have to go back and look at the phasing that was declared in the original SSR documents but even if they did declare more they were for identical building types with same unit types nothing out of the type you were suggesting in the post I replied to. So my comment was to show of what you were suggesting the only example is treeehouse villas which didn’t have the impact of pushing in points with no one using them. Quite different they were quite popular and ended up making the original home types cheaper.

Agreed they were the same type/mix. And even the overall size impact can be put to rest once Reflections is done. (900 DVC units?)