BREAKING: Walt Disney World Introduces Date-Based Variable Pricing for Genie+ Service

[xdan0920]

Seems obvious to me. I guess I just have a different definition of “money grab” than some others.

What is your definition?

 

[lowlight]

Seems obvious to me. I guess I just have a different definition of “money grab” than some others.

What’s your definition?

 

[Kingoglow]

The phrase Money Grab is used when people hold their nose but pay it anyway. Make no mistake, they are still going and paying.

 

[xdan0920]

If that's what you want to believe, but it still makes no sense at all. Pushing the price higher deters people from buying, it just does. I'll buy it any day for $15. For $25, I'm going to pick and choose when I buy. For $50- I better see a vast increase in quality and quantity or I don't buy at all. I'm guessing along the way there will be a lot of people tapping out and at $50, the experience will be much, much better. But if you'd like to take everything Disney does and find a way to make them the evil corporation out to stick it to their guests, enjoy. I'm often critical of them but I don't see evil lurking behind every move they make.

What does $50 have to do with anything?

 

[xdan0920]

The phrase Money Grab is used when people hold their nose but pay it anyway. Make no mistake, they are still going and paying.

I think a good definition is when Disney starts charging for something that was always included.

 

[cakebaker]

What does $50 have to do with anything?

It was just a number used for an example. I think we'll see that price, maybe more but I think that's going to be the cutoff point for a lot of people. Mostly because that's the price point at which I'd have to see a lot of improvement to justify buying it. Your argument is Disney wants to sell an unlimited number of Genie + at a higher price. I think the opposite- they want to sell it eventually for a great deal more and the end goal being a better product with at least as good as or higher profits than they see at the current prices. Because to sell it for more, it has to be better. Perhaps it's not so much my belief that Disney is run by people who know what they're doing ( and I do), but that people won't pay higher prices for a product that isn't working well.

We simply disagree and only time will tell how it all pans out.

 

[PaladinButters]

Noun. cash grab (plural cash grabs) (derogatory) A product designed primarily or solely with the intent of generating profits or money.

Well that's every product, isn't it?


noun INFORMAL noun: money grab; plural noun: money grabs
1. an undignified or unprincipled acquisition of a large sum of money with little effort.


Feel free to debate if selling a product counts as undignified at this time.

 

[xdan0920]

It was just a number used for an example. I think we'll see that price, maybe more but I think that's going to be the cutoff point for a lot of people. Mostly because that's the price point at which I'd have to see a lot of improvement to justify buying it. Your argument is Disney wants to sell an unlimited number of Genie + and to just sell more. I think the opposite- they want to sell it eventually for a great deal more and the end goal being a better product with at least as good as or higher profits than they see at the current prices.

We simply disagree and only time will tell how it all pans out.

Well, your argument has zero basis in reality. If they wanted the product you describe, they would offer that product.

 

[xdan0920]

Noun. cash grab (plural cash grabs) (derogatory) A product designed primarily or solely with the intent of generating profits or money.

Well that's every product, isn't it?


noun INFORMAL noun: money grab; plural noun: money grabs
1. an undignified or unprincipled acquisition of a large sum of money with little effort.


Feel free to debate if selling a product counts as undignified at this time.

Haha, no. No it's not every product.

 

[lowlight]

I’ll go a step further. All corporations do cash grabs, but people defend Disney when they would criticize say, Comcast for doing the same. I’ll give a good example, Comcast used to (maybe still does) charge a “self installation fee” for setting up your own internet. That’s a money grab, and nobody would defend them for that, but because our emotions are so tied into Disney we can’t notice their bad behavior.

 

[cakebaker]

Well, your argument has zero basis in reality. If they wanted the product you describe, they would offer that product.

We're all speculating so my theory is just as valid as anyone else's. I think it's exactly what they are working towards. Look at the uproar over a $5 increase. Imagine if they went from $15 to $50 or more overnight. The beauty of all this is, no one has to buy Genie +, no one has to go to WDW. The best way to show your displeasure with a company is to not do business with them. But to continually complain how awful they are and still hand them your money? That's what seems really strange to me. I get grouching a bit over costs, I'm not thrilled with their lackluster AP resort discounts for example, but for some this is more than that. It's a deep down dislike for Disney as a company and the way they do business. I just don't get supporting a business you feel that way about.

 

[xdan0920]

We're all speculating so my theory is just as valid as anyone else's. I think it's exactly what they are working towards. Look at the uproar over a $5 increase. Imagine if they went from $15 to $50 or more overnight. The beauty of all this is, no one has to buy Genie +, no one has to go to WDW. The best way to show your displeasure with a company is to not do business with them. But to continually complain how awful they are and still hand them your money? That's what seems really strange to me. I get grouching a bit over costs, I'm not thrilled with their lackluster AP resort discounts for example, but for some this is more than that. It's a deep down dislike for Disney as a company and the way they do business. I just don't get supporting a business you feel that way about.

I am not speculating. I am pointing out what they are actually doing. I am not guessing what they will do next year.

 

[cakebaker]

I’ll go a step further. All corporations do cash grabs, but people defend Disney when they would criticize say, Comcast for doing the same. I’ll give a good example, Comcast used to (maybe still does) charge a “self installation fee” for setting up your own internet. That’s a money grab, and nobody would defend them for that, but because our emotions are so tied into Disney we can’t notice their bad behavior.

If a company does things I don't agree with, I'll complain once or twice but at a certain point I'll stop giving them my money. I'm not defending Disney and I'm not giving them a pass. I simply don't disagree with what they're doing in regards to Genie + or the other recent price hikes. I don't know if anyone is paying attention, but almost everything is seeing huge increases in costs. Disney is no different. There are plenty of things I don't care for that Disney is doing- not returning to full housekeeping, cuts in parks hours, I intensely dislike the reservation system especially when it comes to the limitations on park hopping- but charging what the market will bear? I don't like paying more but I don't blame them for doing it.

 

[cakebaker]

I am not speculating. I am pointing out what they are actually doing. I am not guessing what they will do next year.

You are fully speculating as to Disney's intent- that's pure guessing and fine by me, but it's not based in reality or facts because none of us know what their intent is.

 

[Uncle Coaster]

For me, the key to a money grab is the negative connotation. One of the definitions above used the word “unprincipled”. That’s a good definition.

Obviously, that makes the money grab discussion subjective and it’s okay for some people to think of this as a money grab and for others not to.

 

[PaladinButters]

I’ll go a step further. All corporations do cash grabs, but people defend Disney when they would criticize say, Comcast for doing the same. I’ll give a good example, Comcast used to (maybe still does) charge a “self installation fee” for setting up your own internet. That’s a money grab, and nobody would defend them for that, but because our emotions are so tied into Disney we can’t notice their bad behavior.

You could have just said just about anything listed as a fee really (hello, Ticketmaster).
But there is a difference between demanding money for nothing like Comcast was doing and Disney offering a completely optional ticket add-on for a price.

Now if you want to talk about Disney's bad behavior we can talk about how Animal Kingdom Lodge charged me for parking all week when I didn't have a car on property (or in the same state for that matter) and they were just hoping I didn't notice and I had to go have it removed. Now that's a good ol Disney money grab right there.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I’ll go a step further. All corporations do cash grabs, but people defend Disney when they would criticize say, Comcast for doing the same. I’ll give a good example, Comcast used to (maybe still does) charge a “self installation fee” for setting up your own internet. That’s a money grab, and nobody would defend them for that, but because our emotions are so tied into Disney we can’t notice their bad behavior.

I agree. I see people defend Disney whenever they do something anti consumer all the time and it always baffles me. Not talking about Genie+ as that's universally criticized but rather other things such as the cash grab live action remakes.

 

[lowlight]

You could have just said just about anything listed as a fee really (hello, Ticketmaster).
But there is a difference between demanding money for nothing like Comcast was doing and Disney offering a completely optional ticket add-on for a price.

Now if you want to talk about Disney's bad behavior we can talk about how Animal Kingdom Lodge charged me for parking all week when I didn't have a car on property (or in the same state for that matter) and they were just hoping I didn't notice and I had to go have it removed. Now that's a good ol Disney money grab right there.

You and I fundamentally disagree about what optional means, so we will never see eye to eye. A parachute is technically optional on a skydive, but it really makes the experience more enjoyable.

 

[cakebaker]

I agree. I see people defend Disney whenever they do something anti consumer all the time and it always baffles me. Not talking about Genie+ as that's universally criticized but rather other things such as the cash grab live action remakes.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it anti-consumer. If they didn't make money on something, they wouldn't do it. Clearly they are giving enough people what they want in your example of live action remakes- Cash grabbing can't be done if customers don't give them their money. I don't get blaming Disney for taking money people voluntarily hand over. It's not like having to pay the electric bill or buy gas. So just don't buy what they're selling.

 

[Smugpugmug]

Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it anti-consumer. If they didn't make money on something, they wouldn't do it. Clearly they are giving enough people what they want in your example of live action remakes- Cash grabbing can't be done if customers don't give them their money. I don't get blaming Disney for taking money people voluntarily hand over. It's not like having to pay the electric bill or buy gas. So just don't buy what they're selling.

I don't buy it (i.e. going to see them in theaters/Disney+). I don't want to support Disney making more soulless remakes. I know Disney will continue to make them because people will pay to see them. I can still criticize them for what they are. Even beyond that, I see people defend every not good decision Disney makes in regards to the parks and it confuses me because if any other park did that they would be heavily bashed.