[Breaking] State Farm pulling out of Florida for ALL Homeowners insurance

Uhmm, it wasn't about "those" people, it was about State Farm pulling out of Florida.

But hey, if you want to make it into a big negative thread, you're doing a great job!! Jeesh, time for me to go outside.

Where, I understand where you are coming from. It's difficult to really understand unless you've lived in FL and dealt with insurance problems.

State Farm is pissed because they weren't allowed to increase their rates by 67%. There was another request before that one that was also denied, it was for 47%. It was determined that those rate increases were not justified.

State Farm's 67 percent rate hike denied
By Julie Patel | SunSentinel.com

6:38 PM EST, January 12, 2009
State Farm Florida Insurance Co. homeowner insurance customers can breath a sigh of relief - for now.

Florida Insurance Commissioner Kevin McCarty shot down its proposed 67 percent property insurance rate increase Monday after months of deliberation.

State Farm, Florida's largest private property insurer, has 30 days to appeal to a Florida district court. The State Farm case is being watched closely as a test run of changes implemented by a sweeping property insurance law the state Legislature passed last year. The law changed the protocol for insurers appealing rate-adjustment decisions. Until the end of this year, it requires insurers to get approval for price increases before implementing them.

Consumer advocates say the State Farm case shows the process works well and that legislators should extend temporary parts of the law this year.


In August, McCarty rejected State Farm's 47 percent proposed rate increase and the insurer appealed to the state's Division of Administrative Hearings. It increased to 67 percent its rate boost request during that process, saying it originally asked for less hoping to "obtain quick approval." Administrative law Judge Daniel Manry denied the increase last month.

McCarty said in a statement Monday that the judge's ruling "will further help us in our endeavors to protect Florida consumers from unwarranted rate increases."

State Farm Florida spokesman Chris Neal said the insurer hasn't decided what to do yet. "We're very disappointed," Neal said. "We've got to look at all our options and take a hard look at what is a rapidly deteriorating situation for us."

State Farm said it needs a major price increase to build reserves for hurricane claims.

The state Office of Insurance Regulation submitted information to Manry alleging that, among other things, it appears State Farm spent more than needed for agent commissions, marketing and advertising at a time it is no longer taking new property insurance customers in Florida.

In his decision, Manry said it appears State Farm used "reasonable actuarial judgment" in calculating rates but that it didn't provide enough information to prove the increase is not "excessive, inadequate, or unfairly discriminatory."

Consumer advocates commended Manry and McCarty's decisions.

"The courts have backed up the insurance commissioner and the result is lower rates," said Bill Newton, director of Florida Consumers Action Network. "State Farm ought to play it a little straighter and ask for a realistic rate backed up by the numbers, not a speculative shoot-for-the-moon number."
 
If State Farm closes all their offices in Florida, how many job losses are they talking about?
 

You wanted a negative thread. Only you wanted all the negativity to be heaped upon State Farm. Is that correct?

I don't think there is anything wrong with State Farm pulling out. I think there is something wrong with people forcing other people - especially businesses - to do what they think is right.

I'm always on the side of the business getting to choose what the business does and letting the business reap the rewards or suffer the downfall.

I don't see having people mind their own business and leaving others to theirs as a negative thing. I see forcing your will on others as the negative.

And I'll applaud anyone who goes to Florida and does what State Farm has chosen not to do when they are successful. :cheer2: I'll be genuinely happy for them.

What in the heck are you talking about? I never made this thread to "heap on State Farm". I made this thread for people that HAVE State Farm insurance to know this news.

The only person that has been negative is you. I just wanted those that live in Florida to know the news, I could care less about State Farm.

In other words, your assumption just made an, well, you know how it goes :thumbsup2
 
It's amazing how many people thought this was a thread meant to talk about State Farm. This was a thread to talk about the people that have State Farm, so that they can get in touch with their agents, and perhaps start doing some research into other insurance companies.

I don't have State Farm, I could care less about State Farm. I think it's good business what they're doing. But hey, I guess some people just want to whine about anything!
 
What in the heck are you talking about? I never made this thread to "heap on State Farm". I made this thread for people that HAVE State Farm insurance to know this news.

The only person that has been negative is you. I just wanted those that live in Florida to know the news, I could care less about State Farm.

In other words, your assumption just made an, well, you know how it goes :thumbsup2
I'm sorry. I made assumptions that weren't correct and you're quite right to take me to task. Mea culpa.

You have my sincere apologies.
 
How will they be able to do that if they don't sell homeowners? I'm referencing the Florida law mentioned earlier?

Apparently State Farm Florida Insurance Company is a separate entity. Car insurance is provided by State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company.

http://www.statefarm.com/florida/florida.asp?WT.svl=100

A Message To Our Customers From State Farm Florida's President

On January 27, 2009, we regretfully announced that State Farm Florida Insurance Company (State Farm Florida) had filed plans to discontinue its property insurance lines in Florida. I want to clarify for you that this plan includes insurance coverage for homeowners, renters, rental condominium unit-owners, rental dwellings, condominium unit-owners, personal liability umbrella, boats, personal articles, apartments, business, church, commercial inland marine, commercial liability umbrella, contractors, manufactured home and premises/personal liability.

This is not an action we wanted to take, but one we must take given the realities of the Florida property insurance market. We regret the impact this will have on our customers, employees and agents in Florida.

State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company (State Farm Mutual) and its affiliated companies will continue to provide – as they have for decades -- automobile insurance, life insurance, health insurance and other financial products and services in Florida

Sincerely,
Jim Thompson
President
State Farm Florida
 
State Farm was losing money in Florida. They borrowed money from another division of State Farm in 2004 to pay for the hurricane damage and State Farm Florida cannot pay it back. The state declined the rate increase that would have allowed them to pay back that money and build reserves for another hurricane season. Maybe they should stay, continue to lose money, then ask for a bailout? If that happened, everyone would be on here complaining about how they dug their own grave, file bankruptcy, they should have made better financial decisions, etc. They are making a good financial decision for their company. One less company looking for a handout.
 
Glad I don't do business with State Farm anymore but WOW that's big news. I think most of my family insures their homes thru State Farm.
 
They will continue to sell auto, life, health, financial products.
That's true. I have my car insurance with State Farm and have no plans to change...even though I could save some money with another company. I've had State Farm car insurance for years. My homeowner's is with Nationwide...State Farm was too expensive when I first bought my house.
 
People have two years to find another company. If it leaves people without insurance, it isn't State Farm's fault. It is the fault of the idiot who didn't switch companies.

Anyone who wants to can open an insurance company and provide insurance to the folks State Farm doesn't want to cover. I encourage everyone who thinks that there is money to be made insuring those properties to do it. If you do't want to get involved in the insurance business, leave it to the guys who do.

Um excuse me, but do you know how hard it is for us idiots here in Florida to get Home owners, my parents were here for 30 years, they built a new hose in Orlando, It took them forever to find a company to write a new policy.
 
Whenever I've compared rates, State Farm is always on the high side. We have Allstate for Car, house and Life.

Still does sucks that those in Florida have less competition which equals higher rates:sad2:

We do too, but with State farm gone it will give Allstate less competition so they are more likely to raise rates.
 
I'm sorry. I made assumptions that weren't correct and you're quite right to take me to task. Mea culpa.

You have my sincere apologies.

Wow, not often you see this here on the DIS. Totally accepted, and hey, I've made poor assumptions here in the past myself, so I can't act like I've never done it...lol
 
They are still making money by insuring "those" properties...maybe just not as much as they would like.:rolleyes:

State Farm Insurance's chairman and CEO received an 82 percent raise after the company posted a record profit last year, a statement from the Bloomington-Ill.-based insurer said this week.

Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Ed Rust Jr. got a $5.26 million raise. He earned $11.66 million in 2006 with a base salary of $1.77 million and results-based bonus of $9.89 million, the statement said. Rust made $6.4 million in 2005 and $5.5 million in 2004.

The absence of a major catastrophe helped the insurer generate a record $5.32 billion profit last year, compared to $3.24 billion in 2005 when Hurricane Katrina hit the Mississippi Gulf Coast, release said.

Good for him. You get a raise when you make money for the company. Deciding to pull out of Florida makes good business sense. I don't know how any insurance company stays in business in that region. Insurance is a crap-shoot and when you start to loose money you should walk away from the table.
 
State Farm was losing money in Florida. They borrowed money from another division of State Farm in 2004 to pay for the hurricane damage and State Farm Florida cannot pay it back. The state declined the rate increase that would have allowed them to pay back that money and build reserves for another hurricane season. Maybe they should stay, continue to lose money, then ask for a bailout? If that happened, everyone would be on here complaining about how they dug their own grave, file bankruptcy, they should have made better financial decisions, etc. They are making a good financial decision for their company. One less company looking for a handout.

I work for another major insurance company and I agree with your summary. They need more premium to cover the losses, the state will not allow rate increases, so they have no choice but to pullout. They can't jeopardize the rest of the company by losing alot of money in one area. If a cat 5 would cut through Florida it would be a huge financial loss. It's not just Florida, I know my company is very restrictive all the way up the coast and along the Gulf.
 
Flordia is a high risk state. By State Farm choosing not to write business in Flordia they are keeping the rates down for those of us in less risky areas. It seems to be a smart business decision and they are more than generous giving insureds two years to find another company.

Look at the news. It is time for companies to make smart business decisions.
 
It has to stop somewhere. First it is State Farm, then who will be next? Everyone gets a new company then they decide it is too expensive, it will keep going on.

State Farm is upset they didn't get their rate increase so they cancel everyone??? Doesn't make much sense to me.

What is a homeowner in FL. to do?
 













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