Breaking News, Monorails at WDW collide

Does anyone else thinks it's odd that no one was trying to pry the door open? I guess everyone was in shock and wasn't quite sure what to do. Also, it seems to be within seconds of the accident...but still you'd think someone would be doing anything in their power to get that door open.
 
In the meantime, I would suspect an immediate suspension of all ride alongs up front. Possibly forever.

And if for some reason, Disney chose to allow ride alongs up front, would you really risk your family's health, after seeing that video??

Agreed, at least for the foreseeable future, passengers in the operators car will be forbidden.

Pending the cause of this crash, if they resumed the policy, I would have no issues at all riding up front with my family.
 
So sad!! At least no one else was fatally injured! It probably could have been much worse. My prayers are with the family of the CM:sad1:
 
Does anyone else thinks it's odd that no one was trying to pry the door open? I guess everyone was in shock and wasn't quite sure what to do. Also, it seems to be within seconds of the accident...but still you'd think someone would be doing anything in their power to get that door open.

Pry it open with what exactly? Did you watch the video at all? When something like this happens most people are in shock and still can't believe it actually happened. I just can't imagine what you think they should have done. :confused3
 

My husband works for a big railroad and everytime we go on vacation to Disneyworld, my husband and I and our two girls always ride up front with the driver....NO MORE, I freaked out!
I told my hubby about this story and the first thing he said was....."was the driver texting or on the phone, or did someone miss a signal???"...I told him the story did not say, but he said those two reasons are the most common among train crashes.
It is so sad....I pray for the driver and his family.

I also work for a big railroad in the east as a train conductor. the first thing I thought was a missed signal. On the headend of the train there are cab signals. what that does it tells track status info to the engineer. it displays the wayside signal aspect and displays allowable speed info about the tracks ahead. there is a speed enforcement system to go along with the cab signal to warn engineers of dangerous conditions and to apply the brakes and bring the train to a stop if the engineer ignores his cab signals. I don't know what system Disney runs...don't know what their safety features are, but that's the first thing that came to me. It could have been inactive signals, or malfunctioning systems...could've been anything. But, my heart goes out to the family of that cm, as well as anyone who was there when it happened - adults and children alike.
 
The whole thing is just so sad...

Personally I started to watch the video and then remembered someone had died. I could not watch.

Other than a safety feature that has malfunctioned -- I had a friend who used drive the monorails he would often talk about 12 hour shifts and over time during busy seasons. He hated the Epcot to TTC run because it was so long especially at night...

It is all so sad and my prayers go out to the families involved and CMs at Disney!
 
Does anyone else thinks it's odd that no one was trying to pry the door open? I guess everyone was in shock and wasn't quite sure what to do. Also, it seems to be within seconds of the accident...but still you'd think someone would be doing anything in their power to get that door open.

it was right after the accident - they're all stunned.....only a few people run right for where the driver is....(that fight or flight response)....they're just starting to get their bearings when the video is stopped....

right after the video stopped, they did start to work on the door - you can see that from the still photos that are in the news article....
you can see those men trying to open the door.....
 
Pry it open with what exactly? Did you watch the video at all? When something like this happens most people are in shock and still can't believe it actually happened. I just can't imagine what you think they should have done. :confused3

I mentioned in my post that everyone involved was probably in shock. What I think they should have done is have some kind of emergency response training, and possibly have a way to get the door open with a crowbar or something. It was just a thought I had, no controversy intended. I apologize if my post was interpreted the wrong way. I feel just as horribly about this as everyone else.
 
it was right after the accident - they're all stunned.....only a few people run right for where the driver is....(that fight or flight response)....they're just starting to get their bearings when the video is stopped....

right after the video stopped, they did start to work on the door - you can see that from the still photos that are in the news article....
you can see those men trying to open the door.....

Thanks Beth -- I didn't see your post until after mine.
 
Just so horrible. So sad. I feel for the families and friends of the driver who died as well as the driver who lived. :hug:
 
from miceage:



Hi guys,

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.

Okay, speculation time.

Why would Purple have just sat in the station and let himself get hit? Well, it was a new driver from what I understand, and when Pink got close enough to trigger Purple's MAPO system, it's quite possible that the driver of Purple freaked a little bit (any time a driver gets an unexpected red MAPO light, it gets their attention), and was so intent on looking at his console trying to figure out what was going on that he simply did not see Pink barreling down on him. I suppose it's also possible that the Concourse station didn't have power at the time, preventing Purple from leaving, but I rather doubt that was the case.

Why would Central clear a train into an occupied station? Inattention, most likely. As I said, I'd heard that Central was not at the console at the time of the accident. IMO, if this is the case, it's the root cause of the accident and whoever was Central should be strung up.
 
This is very sad and tragic.....kinda hard to watch actually considering we've all been on those things numerous times.

When my DW told me this morning I thought she was making it up....not really sure why she'd make that up. The reason I thought no way was because just last week I was listening to a "psychic" on a local station out here. I don't know if any Canadians out there listen to the EDGE out of Toronto but their local "Psychic Nikki" was on and she said there would be an accident with the monorails at Disney World. I only remember this because the colleague I share an office with was telling me to watch out as I'm there so often. I'm not trying to make light of this situation but that was a little messed up to me. I typically don't buy into these things.

Again, a very sad situation and our thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved.

Chris
 
from miceage:



Hi guys,

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.

Okay, speculation time.

Why would Purple have just sat in the station and let himself get hit? Well, it was a new driver from what I understand, and when Pink got close enough to trigger Purple's MAPO system, it's quite possible that the driver of Purple freaked a little bit (any time a driver gets an unexpected red MAPO light, it gets their attention), and was so intent on looking at his console trying to figure out what was going on that he simply did not see Pink barreling down on him. I suppose it's also possible that the Concourse station didn't have power at the time, preventing Purple from leaving, but I rather doubt that was the case.

Why would Central clear a train into an occupied station? Inattention, most likely. As I said, I'd heard that Central was not at the console at the time of the accident. IMO, if this is the case, it's the root cause of the accident and whoever was Central should be strung up.

so are you saying that the driver who was killed was in the stationary train, and it was the other train that reversed into him??
that's an even more horrifying scenario......i mean, in both cases it's terrible because he's killed, but in the one you're describing, the train came barreling into him....
 
My heart bleeds for this young man's family and friends. Also for the other CM and those on the scene. I can only image the fear of the children and adults that were on the train. I hope all of them are able to get past this.
 
This is just such a horrible situation. My prayers too go out to all the families and friends of those involved.

Our last trip to Disney we rode in the front car 3 times! (were staying at CR) it was amazing. Will I do it in Oct? Accidents can happen any place, any time, true enough. But I'm not sure I'll be ready to take that ride w/ my family so soon. Time will tell.

On a diff't note, what a shock it must be for everyone visiting the parks today. Those on the Monorail loop now taking bus transportation.. Those arriving by car to TTC??? I guess they're taking the boat or buses today to get to MK. To all these vistors, an inconvenience. To the CMs having to redirect them and explain what happened...a lonnnng emotional day.

Sooo sad.
 
This is very, very sad and shocking! If my 10 year old son hears about this, it will be very difficult for me to ever get him on a WDW monorail again!

We sat up front with our driver last trip in Feb. I wonder if they will continue to let guests sit up front or discountinue the practice due to this.

Poor guy, he was so young!
 












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