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Did they even have Tasers? :confused3 However, a Taser might have led to the same outcome...he would have been shocked, held to the ground, etc. still in this case (and it seems that being held on the ground and his medical conditions were the major contributors to his death)
There was at least one Taser death in the county I lived in previously (a large man with medical conditions like Mr. Garner) and the force had to stop carrying them.

Police are not supposed to draw guns for no reason. Guns are not used for compliance, they are used as a last resort of self-defense.

Understood, but the poster was looking for specific examples. I am not a trained officer and said as much.

As for Tasers, it seems to be is the common suggestion until it is used and then people cry that it should not have been.
 
Taser fire may have very likely caused the same result. This man is severely obese, has Congestive Heart Failure, and asthma. My opinion is a possible heart attack. He did not seem to have the loud wheezing that would likely have come from a severe asthma attack.

I have now watched the video in its entirety, and can definitely spell out serious flaws in the post handcuff time frame. When it became obvious that the man was not responsive, an AED would have been a good option to immediately bring up. I don't know if any of the police routinely carry one in their patrol cars, but I'm sure a local business may have had one.
When EMS arrived, supplemental oxygen should have been started immediately. This man should have been huffing and puffing after the struggle, which points quickly to actual respiratory and/or cardiac failure.
Maybe I just missed it on the video, but I never saw the officers check for breathing or a pulse. Surely they are trained on basic life support.
So I do see serious flaws in the care, and a justified outrage over the aftermath, but I do not believe the "chokehold" was responsible for the death. If the larynx were damaged while the man was being held around the neck, there should have been some serious changes to the voice of the arrestee while on the ground, but he sounded the same while shouting "I can't breathe" as he did before being accosted. I absolutely do believe he was truthful that he could not breathe, but I think the takedown in general triggered whatever it was that killed the man.
Again, if adequate care was given quickly when he became non responsive, there is a good chance he would be alive today.


No it wasn't responsible, it was a contributing factor.
 
I will continue to watch the NFL because I love football. I disagree with plenty of people's opinions and how they choose to express them, but those opinions are not going to prevent me from something that I enjoy. So no, I have no interest in boycotting the NFL, but I have no problem with others who choose to do so as long as they don't force their choice onto me.


In regards to the Garner discussion, I think that both of the parties involved made poor decisions that led to the death. Garner is not absolved of his involvement simply because he was killed, but the officer is not absolved simply because Garner was committing a crime. The cop should have been fired for his breach of protocol.
 

I never thought about calling 911--cell phone usage while driving is not something I do. I did put on my flashers. He pulled me over because I had a headlight out. He was very nasty about me not pulling over immediately, but calmed down once I told him why and showed him my ID. He did get nasty about my plate and license being from different states, and the address on my license being from a different state than the one issuing the license, but once he called it in, he found out that it is legal for me. He ended up letting me off with a warning, and he apologized to my daughter for scaring her, but his initial behavior was way overboard and I did call and report him when I got home.

I also no longer take that route home because I don't trust the police in that area, even though I know the daughter of one and I have a friend who is a dispatcher for that department.

I don 't know what his reasoning was for the gun, and I certainly wasn't going to ask, but somehow my soccer mom van with the Girl Scout and Dance magnets all over the back must have been threatening somehow.

I couldn't help but to think of this post when I saw this:

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Understood, but the poster was looking for specific examples. I am not a trained officer and said as much.

As for Tasers, it seems to be is the common suggestion until it is used and then people cry that it should not have been.

At least they haven't been banned by the NYPD. Pepper spray is also an option. Neither are pretty and both might be considered out of line to deal with someone that is just selling loose cigarettes, but I'm not sure that either one would have ended in death either.
 
Pepper spray against a person that is asthmatic could cause a terrible asthma attack which could lead to his death. I think my point is being made here. The death was an unfortunate result. All available options could have caused it. There is still debate about whether this was a choke hold or not.
 
Pepper spray against a person that is asthmatic could cause a terrible asthma attack which could lead to his death. I think my point is being made here. The death was an unfortunate result. All available options could have caused it. There is still debate about whether this was a choke hold or not.


What debate?

On Aug. 1, a New York City medical examiner determined that the cause of death in the Garner case was “homicide,” specifically the neck compressions from the Pantaleo’s chokehold and “the compression of [Garner’s] chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,” according to spokeswoman, Julie Bolcer.
 
Looks more like a headlock to me. They guy didn't really have much of a neck, due to his obesity. And he obviously didn't hold the guy long enough to stop the breathing permanently.
Being on the ground in the prone position contributed more.
 
Looks more like a headlock to me. They guy didn't really have much of a neck, due to his obesity. And he obviously didn't hold the guy long enough to stop the breathing permanently.
Being on the ground in the prone position contributed more.

Was that before or after I mentioned what the officer said?

And the medical examiner....disagreed. The body doesn't lie. So if just hold didn't happen, why did the body "say" it did?
 
Looks more like a headlock to me. They guy didn't really have much of a neck, due to his obesity. And he obviously didn't hold the guy long enough to stop the breathing permanently.
Being on the ground in the prone position contributed more.


It doesn't matter what you think it looked like, the coroner's examination said it was a choke hold and it contributed to his death. I don't understand why you keep disputing this fact.
 

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