Boycott France in WS??

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by Steve H.
And this is relevant to Epcot how?

Wasn't the original question, should we boycott France at W.S?

 

[TennVolTony]

A boycot of France at EPCOT at best would only be symbolic. But I'd go along with it. The French people need to remember WWII and what that country looked like after it was over. And think about how much AMERICAN money was sent to rebuild their counrty.

It's time to "pay us back"..get behind us or get the hell out of our way!

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by caitycaity



: and you might be punishing french students who don't even agree with the french government's stance!

Based on French polls....they do!

 

[Steve H.]

Originally posted by DawnCt
Wasn't the original question, should we boycott France at W.S?

Yes, and I'm still failing to see a connection between boycotting a particular section of an American theme park and the diatribe you posted previously in the thread.

 

[caitycaity]

If France, Germany and China had supported the U.S.A, Saddam would have been gone by now.

that is a pretty bold statement.

Wasn't the original question, should we boycott France at W.S?

yes and i think steve's point is that your comments about french military exports are completely irrelevant to boycotting the french pavilion at thw WS.

(they are aren't they?)

 

[caitycaity]

still waiting for an answer to my previous question of a citation...

Based on French polls....they do!

really, you saw a french poll that said the 20 french people at the WS who would lose their job support chirac? i'd like to see that one.

do you see how ridiculous this is?!?

if you are going to priotest/boycott, at least do something that makes sense and will have an impact.

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by TennVolTony
A boycot of France at EPCOT at best would only be symbolic. But I'd go along with it. The French people need to remember WWII and what that country looked like after it was over. And think about how much AMERICAN money was sent to rebuild their counrty.

It's time to "pay us back"..get behind us or get the hell out of our way!

Amen!!!

 

[DonnaS]

Originally posted by TennVolTony
A boycot of France at EPCOT at best would only be symbolic. But I'd go along with it. The French people need to remember WWII and what that country looked like after it was over. And think about how much AMERICAN money was sent to rebuild their counrty.

It's time to "pay us back"..get behind us or get the hell out of our way!

Yeah, let's remember WWII. We only got involved after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor.

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by caitycaity
still waiting for an answer to my previous question of a citation...



really, you saw a french poll that said the 20 french people at the WS who would lose their job support chirac? i'd like to see that one.

do you see how ridiculous this is?!?

if you are going to priotest/boycott, at least do something that makes sense and will have an impact.

I think it was quite clear that the French citizenry by 85% are in support of Cherac's position, so how ridiculous is your question?

 

[caitycaity]

I think it was quite clear that the French citizenry by 85% are in support of Cherac's position, so how ridiculous is your question?

how ridiculous is MY question?!?!??!?!?!??!

let's do some basic math here: there are about 61 million people in france. if 85% support chirac that means that 15% do not. thet means that approximately 9 million people do not support chirac.

are you saying that you are sure that any people who would get fired from the france WS pavillion are in the 85%? 9 million is a pretty big number. how can you know that the people who would be impacted in the france WS are not pat of that 9 million?

or do you just believe in punishing anyone who happens to be french b/c the majority of their country disagrees with us?

there's a name for that kind of attitude: discrimination and bigotry.

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by caitycaity
how ridiculous is MY question?!?!??!?!?!??!
or do you just believe in punishing anyone who happens to be french b/c the majority of their country disagrees with us?

there's a name for that kind of attitude: discrimination and bigotry.

No caity, it is anger for a country that historically "takes" a lot but has yet to return the favor.

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by DonnaS
Yeah, let's remember WWII. We only got involved after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor.

And that changes things?

 

[DonnaS]

My post was in response to TVT's saying they owe us for WWII. I think there is a significant similarity between France's actions and our past actions.

We didn't get in WWII to "save France." We got in it because we were attacked. Just because we are no longer isolationist, doesn't mean they can't be.

 

[dzneelvr]

My FIL refused to go to France two weeks ago when he was there. My MIL was furious with him and I was disgusted when I heard what he did.
In my opinion, the only reason to boycott something is to actually make a difference that is measurable to those who are at (perceived) fault. The workers in France at WS have no more influence on France's foreign policy than I do on ours!
And I read yesterday that American tourists in France are not hassled in any way by the everyday Frenchman/woman.
Let's follow their example.
Viva the red, white, and blue !!

 

[caitycaity]

No caity, it is anger for a country that historically "takes" a lot but has yet to return the favor.

ok, i could at least respect that kind of attitude if it made sense. they helped us out in the war of independence. maybe you have forgotten that.

and when we "liberated" them in 1944, in reality, we did what was in our best interest. we didn't go into WW2 just to "help europe out." i don't think we went over there b/c they asked us too, and even if we did, that wouldn't be taking, that would be the US deciding to help out another country. if that is "taking" then i guess if you decided to babysit a sick friend's kids for a day while she recovered and she said: "ok, thank you!" but then never returned the favor when you were sick, you would be angry and think that originally she was "taking" too? that just doesn't make any sense!!!!

i'm still trying to figure out what they "took."

 

[TennVolTony]

Caity.....I don't know what France "gave" either. But go to Normandy and see what the US gave! I think alot of this boycot talk is just people,probably many people, that see one of our allies not standing with us when we need them to.

We are seen as the school yard bully UNTIL somebody like France or Germany needs OUR help. I'll stick by what I said earlier and what Bush said...

Stand with us or get out of the way...

You are either with us in this fight or against us.... GWB

 

[Jenzebelle]

A boycot of France at EPCOT at best would only be symbolic. But I'd go along with it. The French people need to remember WWII and what that country looked like after it was over. And think about how much AMERICAN money was sent to rebuild their counrty.

First off, we didn't get involved in the war until AFTER we were bombed at Pearl Harbor. We were not the only country that helped France in their liberation and it's a safe bet if we weren't brought forcefully into the war, we probably would have stayed out.

Secondly, it seems that many Americans need to remember the American Revolution and how large a role France played in helping us fight the British. If it weren't for them, America wouldn't exist.

As far as the ludicrous assumption that all French and all Germans are rude, the very same assumption can be made for Americans. At least they attempt to speak the language when they come over here. I know and have read about far too many Americans that assume the world should speak English just because they do. And I have been to France many times to visit relatives and I have never once been treated rudely.

Any boycott on French products isn't going to affect the government's decision one bit. Just like the Baptist boycott hasn't stopped Disney. At the worst all it's going to do is cause blue collar workers like my family to lose their jobs. And they have no control over what the government decides.

 

[CyranoJones]

WWII Death Count Per Country: Country Military Civilian Total
USSR 12 million 17 million 29 million
Poland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 million
Germany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 million
Yugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 million
Romania 450,000 465,000 915,000
Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000
France 245,000 350,000 595,000
Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000
Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000
United States 407,000 6,000 413,000
Czechoslovakia 7,000 315,000 322,000
Holland 13,700 236,000 249,000
Greece 19,000 140,000 159,000
Belgium 76,000 23,000 99,000



Looks like France also "gave" a lot in WWII.

 

[caitycaity]

I don't know what France "gave" either.

and why are they required to give us anything?

and they came to fight for us in our war of independence. it'd say that's a lot.

in terms of WW2, it's not like the french didn't fight. let's think of the french resistance, and remember that in WW2, the french suffered a total of approximately 810,000 casualties (340,000 military and 470,000 civilian). the us suffered 210,000 military casualties and no civilian casulaties. http://www.valourandhorror.com/DB/BACK/Casualties.htm it's not like the french just said "hey we're not going to fight, let's just wait for another country to come save us."

and when you say:

But go to Normandy and see what the US gave!

i think "gave" is exactly the key word. we didn't go over there and say, "ok, if we liberate you, you better agree with us for the next 300 years when it comes to foreign policy." we did it willingly, and i don't think that most of the soldiers that went over there and lost their lives expected anything like that in return.

 

[caitycaity]

cyranojones, you beat me to it!