Boston "Big Dig" Tunnel collapse!!

Carla, you did a great job:

"Just imagine being in a dark tube that curves in various directions. Look to your left or right, and it's probably leaking because you're under water. Every now and then, a lane is added and new people come flying into the dark tunnel with you. Beware of the right lane....sometimes it exits with no warning and you'll go to the Airport, Storrow Drive, Government Center....you just never know. The most fun part is the Southbound side after the bridge where you take an exit and have to come to a screeching stop because some fool decided it would be a great idea to put a traffic light at the end of that ramp. You can't see the people stopped, because there is another curve."

That just about says it and probably the reason that I go around the city to get through the city..... :)
 
OKAAAYYYY. Makes me appreciate tunnels with only one way in and one way out. And ours have lights all the way through so it isn't dark. I still have to wonder about the people who SLOW DOWN as soon as they get into the tunnel. Must be a Pittburgh thing.

Thanks for the answers, condolences to anyone who has to drive these fun things.
 
I am saddened to hear about the poor women... my heart goes out to her family....

I am familar with the BIG DIG as my Uncle lives in a Boston Burb and I have taken many trips to the area over the YEARS.... So my heart also goes out to everyone who has had to deal with this for the past, what... 20 years?? and will continue to have to deal with it for all the years to come.

((((Hugs)))))
 
One more thing, we forgot to add in the big trucks coming at your from all sides and cars jockeying for position switching lanes like crazy and driving very fast......I admit to trying it once, thinking I was a big baby for not using the tunnel.....never again.
 

chirurgeon said:
I still have to wonder about the people who SLOW DOWN as soon as they get into the tunnel. Must be a Pittburgh thing.

Thanks for the answers, condolences to anyone who has to drive these fun things.
Definitely a Pittsburgh thing. In Boston everyone speeds up when they hit the tunnel. Probably out of fear of collapsing ceilings, floods and rock slides. Did I miss any other "incidents"? There are some lights in the tunnel, but I know the one Carla (AllyandJack) is describing with the stop light at the end. For whatever reason that sucker plunges you into complete darkness immediately before the light :sad2:
 
OK, so far we've learned that this same "system" was also used in the Ted Williams Tunnel....then, they changed the design and it's only used during this section of the rest of the tunnels - nobody knows why.

When asked if leaks could have been the cause of this fiasco, Matt was silent.

Oh, and public safety is his top priority.

The press is having a field day with him. He's going to pull a Ken Lay and die right in front of the microphones.

ETA: Best line so far:
Reporter: Were you surprised when you heard about what happened?"
Investigator: No.
Reporter: Why?
 
AllyandJack said:
For all the Howie fans, he'll be starting at 2pm today. Depetro is staying on until 2pm. :thumbsup2


Howie is licking his chops!!! It must feel good to be so right! I know I would gloat. However we need to keep in mind a life was lost. It is sad to be right in this situation but none the less mabye someone will listen.
 
I just heard a snippet of Marjory Egan on the radio and she mentioned how Amorello keeps saying "the tunnels are safe" and the problem is that he keeps saying this after every single incident in the tunnels. Obviously they aren't safe since all of these things keep happening and "he needs another line". I wish I could have listened to what else she had to say, but since that radio is not at my desk and her show is going to be on until 3:00, I don't think I could stand there all day and listen.
 
DH just called to tell me he could see Mitt leaving the tunnel from his office window.

He (my DH) pointed out that there is a small blessing in all of this; that it happened in the middle of the night instead of during morning or after work rush hour. :(
 
beattyfamily said:
DH just called to tell me he could see Mitt leaving the tunnel from his office window.

He (my DH) pointed out that there is a small blessing in all of this; that it happened in the middle of the night instead of during morning or after work rush hour. :(


Can he read lips from a distance? I was trying to see if I could tell what Mitt might be saying to Matt (Mitt./Matt jeesh). I would love to be a fly on the wall. I do not know if Mitt swears a lot but this would be the time to use foul language with Matt!
 
I'm a little miffed that Depetro is bashing the trades that worked on the tunnel. The men and women that worked on the tunnels took their work seriously. My dh worked as a tradesman and is still proud of the work he performed on the project.

There were state and federal inspectors that were responsible for approving each phase and materials that were used on a daily basis. I really believe that the overall design of the tunnels was/is faulty.

Matt and his direct employees don't even know how often the tunnels are supposed to be inspected. Now that is scary. :sad2:
 
Well.. Well.. Well

Romney Seeks Amorello's Ouster In Wake Of Collapse
Tons Of Concrete Fall In Big Dig Tunnel, Killing Woman

POSTED: 8:55 am EDT July 11, 2006
UPDATED: 3:25 pm EDT July 11, 2006

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BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney said Tuesday he was taking legal action to oust the head of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority after a woman was crushed to death by falling concrete tiles in a Boston Big Dig tunnel.

"People should not have to drive through the turnpike tunnels with their fingers crossed," Romney said. "Neither I nor anyone else could be or should be satisfied until we have new leadership at the Turnpike authority."

At least 12 tons of concrete fell from the ceiling of an Interstate 90 connector tunnel late Monday, crushing a car carrying newlyweds to Logan International Airport and killing the woman. The victim's husband, who was driving, managed to crawl through a window to safety.

"There was only about 6 to 12 inches. But he was able to get through," State Police Maj. Michael Mucci said.


The collapse again raised concerns about the integrity of the massive highway project. Four of the massive concrete panels hit the vehicle, authorities said.

The debris and the potential for more panels to fall shut down the tunnel shortly before midnight and backed up traffic for miles during the Tuesday morning commute. Authorities hoped to reopen it midday Wednesday but were still inspecting at least 17 other sections of the tunnel system and removing about 30 ceiling slabs from the accident site.

Massachusetts Turnpike Authority Chairman Matthew Amorello said a steel "tieback" that had held a 40-foot section of ceiling in place of over eastbound Interstate 90 gave way, letting the concrete slabs loose as cars drove beneath them.

"There was a snapping sound heard," Amorello said. "One of the tile panels from the roof released. It caused a series of panels to be released."

The accident was near the entrance to the Ted Williams Tunnel, which runs under Boston Harbor to Logan International Airport. Amorello said he had ordered a precautionary inspection of that tunnel as well because it similar tiebacks, though a different ceiling structure.

Amorello said similar tiebacks were also used in 17 spots on the Interstate 90 section of the Big Dig project, and all of those also were being checked.

"We feel awful about what happened last night," Amorello said. "It's an awful, awful tragedy. ... This is an awful situation that occurred."

He appointed a state police major, two outside consultants and a team from the Federal Highway Administration to assist in the investigation.

Boston Mayor Tom Menino demanded quick answers.

"We don't need a six-month study. We need an immediate reaction and action by the different authorities so that we can reassure the public as they drive into the city or drive over to the airport that the tunnel is safe to go through," he said.

The ceiling panels in the affected tunnel were erected in 1999. The steel tiebacks holding them were bolted to the tunnel roof overhead.

Amorello said the contractor was Modern Continental. Representatives of that company and project manager Bechtel/Parsons Brinckerhoff did not immediately respond to calls seeking comment Tuesday.

"Any responsible party will be held accountable for what happened," Amorello said. "This is an unacceptable, horrible tragedy."

Romney cut short a vacation in New Hampshire and returned to Massachusetts on Tuesday to meet with his cabinet.

The $14 billion Big Dig highway project, which buried Interstate 93 in a tunnel through downtown and extended the Massachusetts Turnpike to Logan International Airport, has been criticized for construction problems and cost overruns. There have been water leaks and at least one incident when dirt and debris from an air shaft fell onto cars.

In May, prosecutors charged six current and former employees of a concrete supplier with fraud for allegedly concealing that some concrete delivered to the Big Dig was not freshly mixed.

Amorello said preliminary investigation shows that the quality of the concrete was not to blame for Monday's accident.

Christy Mihos, an independent candidate for governor and former member of the Turnpike Authority Board and agency critic, called the accident "my worst nightmare come true."

Mihos urged the governor to seize control of the turnpike's day-to-day operations.

The victims were identified by state police as Milena Delvalle, 38, and her husband, Angel Delvalle, 46, of Jamaica Plain.

Friends and relatives said the Delvalles were on their way to Logan to pick up family members who were returning from a vacation in Puerto Rico.

The collapse was reminscent of an incident in Fall River on March 3, 1999. Ceiling tiles fell from the Interstate 195 tunnel under Fall River Government Center, causing a series of car crashes.

Several people were hurt, but no one was killed. Fall River settled lawsuits brought by people who claimed the city failed to monitor the deteriorating condition of the underpass.
 
John Depetro made a great comparision today.

Remember the Mayor of Amity in Jaws? Fat Matt is HIM. He knew there was a great white in the water, yet, he kept insisting the water was safe. All for his political gain. Hmmmmmm.
 
I got this from an article off of Boston.com:

<The metal tie was anchored in the concrete ceiling with epoxy, but not affixed to a metal support rail, as was done with ceiling panels in other tunnels, including those on Interstate 93 and other sections of I-90, Amorello said. Certain site locations prevented builders from using the support bar, Amorello said, without going into specifics.>

What genius civil engineer stamped off on this brilliant idea??? Whoever it is, s/he should lose their PE and possibly go to jail IMHO. Maybe they could share a cell with Fat Matt. The turnpike and Ted Williams tunnels should be shut down permanently IMHO. They are nothing but another disaster waiting to happen.
 
Someone had a great idea on 96.9 today. MIT is right near there, why didn't they get the students there to draw up the plans for the big dig. No matter what it was, is and will continue to be a project beset by greed.
 


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