Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

[ead79]

Ok, so why 6,000 years give or take? Forgive my ignorance, but where did this number come from?

And why no faith in scientists? I like to think that God has given mankind the wisdom and intelligence to make great discoveries and inventions. I also like to think that God created mankind with an inate sense of wonder, imagination and curiousity, which sets us apart from most other creatures on this planet. That "need to know" about the world around us has brought so many amazing discoveries, one of which is the history of this planet and all its' residents past and present. God created us all in His image, I would think He'd have included intelligence, wisdom, etc... for a purpose, i.e. not to question Him but to question the world around us that He created. I also like to think that our discoveries would please Him and make Him smile. Much like a parent to a child.

Again, not a debate, just genuine curiousity that you would think this way (you meaning the collective you, not singling anyone out).

I too believe that the earth is much “younger” than current scientific thought states. I don’t have a particular age in mind, but I do think the earth is much younger than billions of years.

I do think that scientific study is worthwhile, and I certainly wouldn’t say that I don’t have faith in scientists. However, I think that there has been an attempt to enforce evolution as the “true” way the earth came to be. All this despite the fact that many key portions of evolutionary theory violate other scientific laws and facts that we do know to be true. While I don’t believe that we can prove Creationism via scientific fact, it takes faith to believe in evolution as well.

 

[Miranda Danda]

Ok, so why 6,000 years give or take? Forgive my ignorance, but where did this number come from?

And why no faith in scientists? I like to think that God has given mankind the wisdom and intelligence to make great discoveries and inventions. I also like to think that God created mankind with an inate sense of wonder, imagination and curiousity, which sets us apart from most other creatures on this planet. That "need to know" about the world around us has brought so many amazing discoveries, one of which is the history of this planet and all its' residents past and present. God created us all in His image, I would think He'd have included intelligence, wisdom, etc... for a purpose, i.e. not to question Him but to question the world around us that He created. I also like to think that our discoveries would please Him and make Him smile. Much like a parent to a child.

Again, not a debate, just genuine curiousity that you would think this way (you meaning the collective you, not singling anyone out).

I like how you capitalize "Him." I always try to remember to do that as well.

 

[ead79]

Hi everyone! I was raised Southern Baptist and I have accepted Jesus, but I have not been officially Baptized. I have been waiting for everyone in my family, my boyfriend, friends, etc. all to be in town so I can do it. It is quite a chore to round up all those folks.

Welcome to the Christian family! Baptism is such a special thing—I know you will be blessed by it. You’re right though—rounding up friends and family members really can be a chore!

 

[acrucifer]

I love this song too. When I was in middle school a group of us were taught to do the song in sign language, and we did it for the church’s mission day. It’s such an incredible statement. That is my goal in life—to take as many people to heaven with me as I can.

reading this brought me to tears also. where may I find the song, I have to hear it sung. thanks. In Him.

 

[ead79]

I'll be honest, I have no clue about the Earth's age. I guess it's some thing I haven't really thought about.

I wonder about the dinosaurs. There was no mention of them in the Bible, yet we know they existed.

Forgive me for not having a clue about the reference, but I believe there is a verse in the Bible that talks about huge lizards. It is believed to be a possible reference to dinosaurs.

 

[Miranda Danda]

Welcome to the Christian family! Baptism is such a special thing—I know you will be blessed by it. You’re right though—rounding up friends and family members really can be a chore!

Thank you so much! I just want everyone to be able to be there for it.

I absolutely love your wedding dress. You look like a Princess !!!! I want a poofy princess dress like that!!!!

 

[Miranda Danda]

Forgive me for not having a clue about the reference, but I believe there is a verse in the Bible that talks about huge lizards. It is believed to be a possible reference to dinosaurs.

I also wonder about the Chariots of Fire. I have wondered if they are what we call "UFOs" or something. I do not think God has ever said no other people exist. Am I wrong about this?

 

[live4christp1]

Ok, so why 6,000 years give or take? Forgive my ignorance, but where did this number come from?

And why no faith in scientists? I like to think that God has given mankind the wisdom and intelligence to make great discoveries and inventions. I also like to think that God created mankind with an inate sense of wonder, imagination and curiousity, which sets us apart from most other creatures on this planet. That "need to know" about the world around us has brought so many amazing discoveries, one of which is the history of this planet and all its' residents past and present. God created us all in His image, I would think He'd have included intelligence, wisdom, etc... for a purpose, i.e. not to question Him but to question the world around us that He created. I also like to think that our discoveries would please Him and make Him smile. Much like a parent to a child.

Again, not a debate, just genuine curiousity that you would think this way (you meaning the collective you, not singling anyone out).

Okay, let me rephrase what I meant to say......I don't have a problem with science, and I do agree that there are many great scientific discoveries, advances, and things I agree have changed our world. Also think that there are many great scientists who pursue just that "science". The ones I don't put much stock in are those that spew the billions of years stuff. If you do some digging on the accuracy of carbon dating and other methods.....I think you will be shockingly surprised. Also things like the rate of erosion at the Grand Canyon.....it would have cut completely through if it had been here for a billion years. As another poster mentioned as well.......dust on the surface of the moon. The 6,000 years is probably not the most accurate as since I didn't pay lots of attention in World history class I can't quiet remember how many B.C. years there were but being as how we are in 2005 A.D., I think it is closer than the thought that we (earth) are billions of years old.

Don't worry, I know you aren't singling me out. This whole issue to me kind of revolts right back to the "as little children" post a made a few days previously. Call me narrow minded, small minded, etc......no offense to me and I will be the first to admit that I might one day find out that I was mistaken as God is the only one who can truely answer this question in MO. To me it's part of my faith.......God said it, I believe Him before all others.

Well it's time for me to go home from work.......so don't jump to any conclussions thinking I'm offended.....I'll be back tomorrow about 9:00 AM

Have a great evening everyone......and a safe commute home!!!!!!

 

[live4christp1]

I'll be honest, I have no clue about the Earth's age. I guess it's some thing I haven't really thought about.

I wonder about the dinosaurs. There was no mention of them in the Bible, yet we know they existed.

Yes there is mention of them in the Bible, you just have to know were to look.....also the word dinosaur didn't come into existance until sometime late 1800's I think.

I'll do some research and post more tomorrow. Going home now! Have a great evening!

 

[Wishing on a star]

Well, guess I don't have the specifics and the words right on hand to go into the 6000 years.... but, yes that is the given figure.

I will address why I stated that I have no faith in science. (I just gave one huge example!!!) You must understand, that I completely agree with you that we have a wonderful intellect and curiosity!!! However, I would quickly point out that science is limited by our very human capacities! As well as being affected by our very human beliefs and objectives. (Just read a story the other day about the good percentage of researchers today who admit that they have altered, or fabricated, etc!!!!)

Science makes huge strides every single day... but that is just it... it is 'strides', which in relation to Gods reality, are barely even baby-steps. We live in a time of great and previously unimaginable knowledge and capabilities!!! ("And knowledge shall increase, and people will travel to and fro."...) It is sometimes easy for us to lose sight of the fact that just a few generations ago, people did not even understand the existance of 'germs' and how to prevent or treat illness..... It was not all that long ago where people believed that the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth...

No matter what great triumphs that science makes, I simply can not put my faith in science. No matter what the next medical miracles are, we will continue to die... No matter that science can send men/women into space... the astronauts on the last Space Shuttle had put their faith in the science and efforts of the best of the best, yet, thru very obvious and simple human limitations and failures, they were lost.

 

[live4christp1]

reading this brought me to tears also. where may I find the song, I have to hear it sung. thanks. In Him.

It's by Ray Boltz.....it is on several different collections of his.

I think he has a web page if you'll do a search on his name.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

No matter that science can send men/women into space... the astronauts on the last Space Shuttle had put their faith in the science and efforts of the best of the best, yet, thru Human limitations and failures, they were lost.

OUCH. Gee I guess we could blame science for ALL the BAD things that happen.

-Miss Jasmine, who is eagerly awaiting tomorrow's launch and praying for the Astronauts safety. Oh and some of the astornauts who were lost on Columbia did have faith in "other" things, some things that you and I have faith in.

 

[RickinNYC]

Yes there is mention of them in the Bible, you just have to know were to look.....also the word dinosaur didn't come into existance until sometime late 1800's I think.

I'll do some research and post more tomorrow. Going home now! Have a great evening!

Wait, I could have sworn I saw, "And God created the brontosaurus and He said, 'What the....?'"

Sorry guys, I had to post this. It was the first thing that popped in my head!

 

[RickinNYC]

Well, to any/all, I would be truly interested in knowing where the 6,000 year figure came from and why some Christians feel this way. I don't question the fact that you do, as some have stated, but my question is Why? I don't ever recall ever having seen anything in the Bible that ever stated it firmly.

 

[caitycaity]

what do we even mean when we speak of "faith in science"?

i, like wishing on a star, completely acknowledge that science can be fallible, due to human error. however, that does not prevent me from using technological advances (including vaccines, modern medical knowledge, etc.) (wishing on a star, not saying that you don't do those things - i don't know what your beliefs are). the idea of having "faith" in science seems sort of strange to me, so i wonder what people mean when they use this phrase?

 

[mick67]

Ok, so why 6,000 years give or take? Forgive my ignorance, but where did this number come from?

Forgive me for butting in on the thread, but this number closely coincides with the time that "history" began. "History" being when mankind started keeping written records. Everything before this is considered pre-historic.

Coincidentally, the last Rosh Hashanna marked the year 5766, which is the day Adam and Eve were created.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Sorry Jasmine... but, ummm, I didn't 'blame' science for anything!!!

I think you miss my point...

 

[Aidensmom]

Ok, so I've had a question that's been bouncing around in my head for you guys. How old is the world? I know some of you defer on this one and I'm genuinely curious to know your answer.

I tend to subscribe to the 7 days is not a literal 7 days theory. But this may just be because when I asked a nun at my Catholic school about the dinosaur thing in second grade (yes, I was a curious little kid), and that was the answer that I got. Besides that, I never really analyzed it - I could see how it could be either way.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Yes there is mention of them in the Bible, you just have to know were to look.....also the word dinosaur didn't come into existance until sometime late 1800's I think.

I'll do some research and post more tomorrow. Going home now! Have a great evening!

Well I guess I just don't know where to look. Sigh...I guess they could be lumped in with "creatures that move along the ground".

 

[Miranda Danda]

I tend to subscribe to the 7 days is not a literal 7 days theory.

I have wondered this before as well