Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

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Lisa loves Pooh said:
Not all posting on the "heathen" thread lack God or Christ in their lives.

No, I didn't say that. I just asked the people here to pray for someone on the other thread. God will show them who to pray for, who needs it. :)
 
WDWHound said:
I think this is challenging for most folks. My wife and I approached the problem by setting up a schedule which eased us into it over the course of a few years. We started by giving a small percentage of our first fruits that was easy to do. Then, the next year we increased this amount. It was always a percentage of our gross income and each year we simply upped that percentage. The process was painless and we reached our target giving percentage in 5 years.

My other (and more important) advice would be to pray about it and seek God's will. Remember, giving is about the joy of serving, not about being forced to give money because you feel you have to. Talk to God about it. What is God calling you to do here? Giving that is not based in the joy of serving God and your fellow man is difficult to maintian.


Thanks for this suggestion. I have been struggling with the tithing issue. I spent many years not attending church, but God put it in my heart to find a Church home. When I did I started feeling called to tithe. I went from not tithing at all to tithing 10% and then I started struggling with the tithing. I tend to have an all or nothing attitude. So I either give it all or give nothing. Your idea of tithing in increments until I give the 10% is really helpful. :goodvibes
 
live4christp1 said:
I do agree with you that our goal/aim should be to walk blamelessly before the Lord, in fact we are admonished to several times in scripture. But to base our acceptance into heaven on how much good we have done is basically saying "Jesus, your death on the cross wasn't good enough, I've got to add to it". There is nothing we can add to it.

I have seen and know people that I think you are getting this perspective from though, they continue to live sinfully (knowingly sin) and say "oh it's okay because I'm saved and God will forgive me." When I see people with that attitude, I have to wonder are they truely saved (I know, not for me to decide, that is between them and God).

Think of the gift this way (not sure if you have kids, but if not think hypothetically). You go and buy a gift for your child because you love them and you are a good caring parent. You then say to your child I have this wonderful gift I want to give you but in order to receive it you have to go do ........list of chores... No, you give that gift to your child freely. That is God's gift to us, the change in our lives to live Godly, good lives should be evidence or fruit of that gift that we have been freely given.

Sorry for the long post but I want to add this story......Jenny was a bright-eyed, pretty five-year-old girl.
One day when she and her mother were checking out at the grocery store, Jenny saw a plastic pearl necklace priced at $2.50.

How she wanted that necklace, and when she asked her mother if she would buy it for her, her mother said, "Well, it is a pretty necklace, but it costs an awful lot of money. I'll tell you what. I'll buy you the necklace, and when we get home we can make up a list of chores that you can do to pay for the necklace. And don't forget that for your birthday Grandma just might give you a whole dollar bill, too. "Okay?"

Jenny agreed, and her mother bought the pearl necklace for her.

Jenny worked on her chores very hard every day, and sure enough, her grandma gave her a brand new dollar bill for her birthday.

Soon Jenny had paid off the pearls.

How Jenny loved those pearls. She wore them everywhere-to kindergarten, bed and when she went out with her mother to run errands.

The only time she didn't wear them was in the shower. Her mother had told her that they would turn her neck green!

Now Jenny had a very loving daddy. When Jenny went to bed, he would get up from his favorite chair every night and read Jenny her favorite story. One night when he finished the story, he said, "Jenny, do you love me?"

"Oh yes, Daddy, you know I love you," the little girl said.

"Well, then, give me your pearls."

"Oh! Daddy, not my pearls!" Jenny said. "But you can have Rosie, my favorite doll. Remember her? You gave her to me last year for my birthday. And you can have her tea party outfit, too. Okay?"

"Oh no, darling, that's okay." Her father brushed her cheek with a kiss. "Goodnight, little one."

A week later, her father once again asked Jenny after her story, "Do you love me?"

"Oh yes, Daddy, you know I love you."

"Well, then, give me your pearls."

"Oh, Daddy, not my pearls! But you can have Ribbons, my toy horse. Do you remember her? She's my favorite. Her hair is so soft, and you can play with it and braid it and everything. You can have Ribbons if you want her, Daddy," the little girl said to her father.

"No, that's okay," her father said and brushed her cheek again with a kiss. "God bless you, little one. Sweet dreams."

Several days later, when Jenny's father came in to read her a story, Jenny was sitting on her bed and her lip was trembling. "Here, Daddy," she said, and held out her hand. She opened it and her beloved pearl necklace was inside. She let it slip into her father's hand.

With one hand her father held the plastic pearls and with the other he pulled out of his pocket a blue velvet box.

Inside of the box were real, genuine, beautiful pearls. He had had them all along. He was waiting for Jenny to give up the cheap stuff so he could give her the real thing.

So it is with our Heavenly Father. He is waiting for us to give up the cheap things in our lives so he can give us beautiful treasure.
Isn't God good?


*****All the things we have to offer are really cheap when compared to Jesus' death on the cross and everything we try to do to attain righteousness is cheap in comparison.

Cristy

What a great story!
 

Albertan mom said:
No, I didn't say that. I just asked the people here to pray for someone on the other thread. God will show them who to pray for, who needs it. :)

;)



Okay--my brief tidbit....

I was not raised with religion..my mom gave the excuse that I should find my own way...so I did....always felt a calling to the Catholic church and was brought to it in college (ironic, isn't it!). During my RCIA program....a priest led us to Jesus giving us the opportunity to accept Jesus. I was Baptized, received first communion and confirmed on Easter Sunday 1996. My Baptism was a full immersion (I got dunked) and have been with the church ever since. I've had a few things try to "rock the boat" to my faith--but know that I am where Jesus wants me to be. :flower: I have served in a few ministries--even led the lector ministry (the laypersons who read the scripture readings OT/NT during mass). I have been easing down on my church ministry and moving more towards home ministry and community ministry....I will be starting my second season of Team in Training and we begin homeschool semi-officially this year as my oldest is beginning Kindergarten. I say semi--b/c compulsary age isn't until 6 here which is the equivilant of 1st grade. I am so looking forward to learning faith from the child's level. I've heard all the grown-up stuff and sometimes it is just nice to hear it on a more elementary level. So my Bible study this year will be from the Children's Bible.

Now i do have a ponderable....how in the world do so many of you (generic, not specific) memorize scripture. I know this lady--and man does she quote proverbs like you wouldn't believe...she has something to fit into every line of conversation and it sounds so awesome to hear. Normally I'm put off by the "bible thumping" kind of crowd that like to throw in scripture quote "catch phrases" as if they are tooting their horn...but she does it in such a beautiful way. Anyway--for the beauties or the thumpers...I am simply amazed at the memory skills involved at recalling appropriate versus for a given situation. So how do you do it?
 
Talking Hands said:
The Book of Mormon has not authority for me as a Christian. The Bible is my authority and always will be.
I do have a question for others. What version or versions of the Bible do you use for Bible Study? I use a variety and a lot depend on if I am studying for myself or to teach my deaf small group. We encourage most of the them to use the Contemporary English version of the Holman Bible but some do struggle to use KJV.

I prefer NKJV, that is what I always use. There is no preferred version at my church/bible studies, and actually it makes it quite interesting to hear the same verse in different interpretations. However, I think NKJV is 1. easier to read the KJV, and 2. uses more specific wording than some other versions. JMHO. At bible study groups I have been involved in, a lot of times we end up concentrating on a word or phrase NKJV has used as opposed to other versions because we have found it more descriptive or specific.
 
AuntieM03 said:
Thanks for this suggestion. I have been struggling with the tithing issue. I spent many years not attending church, but God put it in my heart to find a Church home. When I did I started feeling called to tithe. I went from not tithing at all to tithing 10% and then I started struggling with the tithing. I tend to have an all or nothing attitude. So I either give it all or give nothing. Your idea of tithing in increments until I give the 10% is really helpful. :goodvibes

When I first got saved, I had to learn about tithing too. I started out with less than 10% but became convicted one night after reading Malachi 3:10-11.
At first there were many trails because 10% of my limited income made a big dent in the budget and DH was not saved. This produced some disagreements. However this was the only place in the Bible where I ever read that God said to test him. About 6 months after I joined this church and started to attend prayer meetings, my DH told me his job was closing down for 3 weeks as they were remodeling the shop. I asked the ladies at the next meeting to pray for us and they did. The following week I arrived home from work to find the ladies of the prayer group on my front porch with
bags of groceries,words of encouragement and at that moment I saw what God was really about! Their love and concern for me and my family who they
didn't know that well had a profound affect on me, the children and DH. Never again was there any remarks about my tithing. The remodeling turned into a 3 month long stint. However I had so many boxes, cans, ect. of food
that I was not hurting. God truely took care of us!
 
WDWHound said:
OK, I've got a question for y'all. How do you pray?

As I posted over on the heathen thread (an interesting thread BTW), I see prayer as much more than a means of asking for stuff. I sse it as a conversation with God......

I try to carry on an ongoing dialog with God as I go through my day. I also try to find at least a few minurte of quiet medidation to listen for his voice.

So, how about you? Are their any prayer techniques you find useful?

I know a lot of people find a "quiet time" each day to pray as their best way to pray, but this just doesn't work for me. Not criticizing in any way people who do that, I just find that I can't. I find prayer, as you do WDWHound, more of a conversation with God, and to me it just happens spontaneously throughout the day. I may pray for 2 minutes while driving to work, 30 seconds while completing a task at work, 10 minutes after some particular story on the news, etc. I kind of see God as my constant companion, and just talk to him as I would my spouse or one of my friends. If I tried to take 30 minutes at the beginning of every day to talk to my spouse, that would not work for me either, I would just sit there with nothing to say. I do, however, tend to "recap" my day with Him and spend a lot of time in prayer as I am going to sleep at night.
 
This was reported on MSNBC today,
I thought some might find it interesting:


www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8587435/

Fragments of biblical scroll found in Israel

JERUSALEM - A secretive encounter with a Bedouin in a desert valley led to the discovery of two fragments from a nearly 2,000-year-old parchment scroll — the first such finding in decades, an Israeli archaeologist said Friday.
The finding has given rise to hope that the Judean Desert may yield more treasures, said Professor Chanan Eshel, an archaeologist from Tel Aviv's Bar Ilan University.

... The two small pieces of brown animal skin, inscribed in Hebrew with verses from the Book of Leviticus, are from "refugee" caves in Nachal Arugot, a canyon near the Dead Sea where Jews hid from the Romans in the second century, Eshel said in an interview with The Associated Press.

... The scrolls are being tested by Israel's Antiquities Authority. Recently, several relics bearing inscriptions, including a burial box purported to belong to Jesus' brother James, were revealed as modern forgeries.

... More than 1,000 ancient texts — known collectively as the Dead Sea Scrolls — were discovered between 1947 and 1956 in 11 caves overlooking the western shores of the Dead Sea. "No scrolls have been found in the Judean Desert" in decades, Eshel said. "The common belief has been that there is nothing left to find there." Now, he said, scholars may be spurred on to further excavations.

... But "what's interesting and exciting is that this is a new discovery," Pfann added. "This is the first time we've seen anything from the south since the 1960s."

... The finding constitutes the 15th scroll fragments found in the area from the same period of the Jewish "Bar Kochba" revolt against the Romans, and the first to be discovered with verses from Leviticus, Eshel said.

... The Dead Sea Scrolls were written by the Essenes, a monastic sect seen by some as a link between Judaism and early Christianity. The scrolls comprise more than 1,000 ancient texts found a half century ago in the caves above Qumran in the West Bank, one of the most significant discoveries in the Holy Land.
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
;)
how in the world do so many of you (generic, not specific) memorize scripture. I know this lady--and man does she quote proverbs like you wouldn't believe...she has something to fit into every line of conversation and it sounds so awesome to hear. Normally I'm put off by the "bible thumping" kind of crowd that like to throw in scripture quote "catch phrases" as if they are tooting their horn...but she does it in such a beautiful way. Anyway--for the beauties or the thumpers...I am simply amazed at the memory skills involved at recalling appropriate versus for a given situation. So how do you do it?

Lisa,

I have a hard time memorizing too, though the ones that hold special meaning in my heart I have no problem with. I kind of concentrate on what book the verse is in or a keyword about it rather than memorize the scripture itself, and then I can just pull out my bible or go to www.searchgodsword.com to find the scripture I am looking for. (My DH always knows when I have been on the DIS boards, Bible is sitting next to the keyboard!)
 
Mr. Joseph Burnheart Duncan had nine secretaries for different languages when he was the director of the national library of Munich. He had such a control of mind and command over several languages that he used to dictate official letters and other deliberations in nine different languages to all his secretaries simultaneously. He had also memorized the Bible by heart and was able to reproduce the corresponding sections completely whenever asked from any page of the Holy Scripture. Recalling the location of the millions of books in the library was so easy for him as if the catalogue was kept open before his eyes. It was popularly said that his brain (intelligence) would ‘weigh’ more than any amount of linguistic knowledge and stock of information existing on the earth.

:faint:



Rich::
 
WDWHound said:
Actually I would be honered that they cared enough to offer such a prayer, even though I would see it as uneeded. You don' have to agree with the beleif to appreciate the concern that motavates such actions.

I agree. When someone prayers for you, it benefits both people. The person praying connects with the person they are praying for in a spiritual way. When I tell people I will or have been praying for them, it is deeply serious to me. I take that person into my heart with care and concern, and then raise them up to the throne of God, asking for whatever need it may be. If a Muslim wants to pray for me, I don't mind. Maybe they will feel more linked with me here on earth, and what's wrong with that?
Prayer is such a personal thing and it is hard to explain here. It is a big part of my life, but not in a formal way. I have more of a converstional prayer life with God, but usually have a quiet time each day where that is all I am focusing on.
I have prayed many times for people her on the DIS boards, and feel a connection to them because of it, and they don't even know, lol. I pray for many people in my real life, sometimes for specifics, many times for God to touch them, deepen their faith, save them. God is good, He answers prayer, He walks with us through our darkest times, He is faithful!
 
WDWHound said:
Regarding the Heathen thread, I think most of the people there are simply being honest about what they feel. Yes, the sarcastic humor can seem demeaning, but if you get a chance to get to know most of the folks who use such humor, you will usually discover that they don't mean to deeply insult. Those of faith approach the world very differently than those who do not beleive in God. This leads to a very different understanding (or misunderstandings) of the things that motavates both groups, and the misunderstandings sometimes lead to sarcasm.

In short, I don't see it as warfare. Rather I see it as a chance for us to understand each other, and that is the most important componant of loving each other, which in turn is what Jesus tells us is one of the most important things we can do.

Respectfully, as one of the posters on the Heathen thread that admittedly uses sarcasm, if you find it demeaning or disrespectful that should be the first clue that you are not the intended audience for the thread. This is a conversation of like-minded people who are enjoying a sharing of ideas that are maligned on most threads here. My sarcasm isn't coming from a misunderstanding of what born again Christians believe-- trust me, these beliefs have been stated abundantly here and elsewhere on the board-- but from a sense of shared experience with the other posters on that thread.

In short, we are "Heathens" talking to one another, not to anyone here. At least, that's my impression. If people find our humor insulting...then my suggestion is to avoid our thread and, if you are truly interested in "understanding," then start a thread for an open discussion between faiths.
 
WDWHound,
I really learned how to pray like that through the Psalms also. I saw how David was so honest with God and how he praised God and how he talked about his enemies. It was through that and desperation that I took prayer to a different level than just "niceness and politeness" with God. When my parents sold their home and took to full time RVing, I had a bit of a run in with my wonderful sister. We both wanted a material possession that my mom had long promised to me. I am ashamed to say I was angry and bitter about such a thing when she said she wanted it also. I let her have it but those negative feelings were still there. I knew of nothing else to do but take to to God. I was so embarrassed about how I felt so passionately about that material possession and yet so mad about her wanting what had been promised to me. I came to God that day and laid it all on the line. My anger, my bitterness, my self pity, my desire, my embarrassment. I have never felt/seen/experienced God work so boldly as He did through that situation in my life. A very small/silly thing really, but at that moment it meant a lot to me and God cared enough to see me through it by showing me words of encouragement and comforting me the way only the Holy Spirit can comfort someone.
When you experience God like this, it just shows you He is really there, really working, really cares. It is one of the reasons that I believe in Him so strongly & why I believe so strongly in prayer--for big things and little things. :)
 
Since we are on the subject of prayer, I have a prayer request.

Last night Dh, dd, and I went to my mom's house. My mom works with the mother of a girl I used to be friends with. I haven't seen her in several years. Anyway this girl's dh has been in Iraq for nearly a year and was supposed to come home next month. He was killed 2 days ago! :guilty: My heart is breaking for my friend, her family, and her dh's family. They are all completely torn up and his wife is not handling the news well at all which I can completely understand! So would you please pray for all of them to have some comfort during this tragedy? Oh, would you also please pray for several of my friends whose DHs are still in Iraq? Thanks!

And as far as how I pray? I talk to him the same way I talk to dh, my mom, my best friend. He is my father and for me it is far too formal to pray any other way.
 
Tasha+Scott said:
So would you please pray for all of them to have some comfort during this tragedy? Oh, would you also please pray for several of my friends whose DHs are still in Iraq? Thanks!

Yes, I will. That is so very sad.
 
Prayers said, Tasha. May God bless and comfort them all.

As for the Bible version that I use, I like the New Living Translation. I have a Touchpoint Bible, that is great for me, it gives me a grasp on how the Lord wants us to use His Word in our everyday lives. I have 3 or 4 versions of the Bible here at home, and will check different versions to see what they say. At our ladies Sunday school class we will have different people read the verses, just to see the different wording. Sometimes things will just strike you when read in a different way. My kids use the NLT as well, as does our church.

As far as memorizing scripture... most of the verses I memorized when I first became saved were from Praise songs, and Vacation Bible School songs. I found it to be the easist way to learn in the beginning. I still find myself singing some of those songs around the house.

I use www.Biblegateway.com sometimes, and will look at the other site mentioned, thanks for the info.
 
Tasha+Scott said:
Last night Dh, dd, and I went to my mom's house. My mom works with the mother of a girl I used to be friends with. I haven't seen her in several years. Anyway this girl's dh has been in Iraq for nearly a year and was supposed to come home next month. He was killed 2 days ago! :guilty: My heart is breaking for my friend, her family, and her dh's family. They are all completely torn up and his wife is not handling the news well at all which I can completely understand! So would you please pray for all of them to have some comfort during this tragedy? Oh, would you also please pray for several of my friends whose DHs are still in Iraq? Thanks!

I have begun praying.

I used to have a hard time remembering verses, but today I don't really struggle with it. I asked God to provide me with the knowledge I need at that moment and that the Holy Spirit would guide my words and I do find that when I am talking to people about something, it just comes right in my heart to say something like, "2 Timothy 3:16 says All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." Years ago, I had to really think about it, but when I started asking the Lord to guide my tongue and use me as an effectie witness, I noticed how much easier the scriptures came. :love:
 
Aidensmom said:
I know a lot of people find a "quiet time" each day to pray as their best way to pray, but this just doesn't work for me. Not criticizing in any way people who do that, I just find that I can't. I find prayer, as you do WDWHound, more of a conversation with God, and to me it just happens spontaneously throughout the day. I may pray for 2 minutes while driving to work, 30 seconds while completing a task at work, 10 minutes after some particular story on the news, etc. I kind of see God as my constant companion, and just talk to him as I would my spouse or one of my friends. If I tried to take 30 minutes at the beginning of every day to talk to my spouse, that would not work for me either, I would just sit there with nothing to say. I do, however, tend to "recap" my day with Him and spend a lot of time in prayer as I am going to sleep at night.

It's not when we pray;BUT that we pray which is important to me. I want to
keep my life line open to God!
 
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