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I had always heard that Bonnet Creek was BASICALLY on property, so I finally looked it up on Google Earth. WOW! I had no idea.

So....if you have a car...other than having the CHANCE to get in at another DVC resort...why would you choose to purchase OKW or SSR over Bonnet Creek?

I don't mean to step on toes. We are very committed to DVC, and look forward to eventually staying at OKW and SSR. My sister enjoys Disney and may purchase at some time.

They may be just as happy with Bonnet Creek. What are the pros and cons??

I'm just curious.
 
You don't have WDW resort benefits - no EMH, no room charging, no free parking at the parks, no WDW operated transportation (they have transportation but it will be parked farther away, TTC for MK).
 
I had always heard that Bonnet Creek was BASICALLY on property, so I finally looked it up on Google Earth. WOW! I had no idea.

So....if you have a car...other than having the CHANCE to get in at another DVC resort...why would you choose to purchase OKW or SSR over Bonnet Creek?

I don't mean to step on toes. We are very committed to DVC, and look forward to eventually staying at OKW and SSR. My sister enjoys Disney and may purchase at some time.

They may be just as happy with Bonnet Creek. What are the pros and cons??

I'm just curious.
BC is a nice resort in a good location. You can see BC from the back of CBR and vice versa. I'd put it just a notch below the DVC resorts overall unless you're looking at the larger luxury units like the 4 BR. For many it isn't worth it to buy in and some don't realize or feel comfortable about the other options available. For many, other timeshares are a better choice than DVC. One can buy into Wyndham for maybe $1500 and yearly fees of $700 or so (it varies) with enough points to get a 2 BR at BC. Depending on how you want to use it, there are actually better timeshare options for many people than Wyndham, esp if you want to trade to non Wyndham properties. You can get free parking with an AP. You can use the WDW transportation as a ticket holder but getting access is the key. We almost always drive to the parks anyway so it would not be a deterrent for us though we prefer staying on property simply for the ambience.
 
why would you choose to purchase OKW or SSR over Bonnet Creek?
Well, it's Not Disney. For some, that just won't do. For others, it's a great alternative. We're staying there this July, and really looking forward to it.
 

After posting, I did see that Wyndham loves the hard sale! :sad2:

Other negatives appeared to be that Wyndham was also pushy about getting current owners to buy more points and that newer resorts tend to cost more points so that its harder to trade.

On the pro side, the resale prices are really low. I think the maintenance fees more than make up for that though.

Apples to apples - how do the maintenance fees stack up??
 
After posting, I did see that Wyndham loves the hard sale! :sad2:

Other negatives appeared to be that Wyndham was also pushy about getting current owners to buy more points and that newer resorts tend to cost more points so that its harder to trade.

On the pro side, the resale prices are really low. I think the maintenance fees more than make up for that though.

Apples to apples - how do the maintenance fees stack up??
I'm not sure they're that hard sell but then everything is compared to DVC. I know their dues are resort dependent based on the underlying week and that taxes are often billed separately. I suspect they also charge a club fee but someone who owns can give more specific info. You're likely looking at 1100-1200 a year for enough points based at BC for a 2 BR yearly but maybe 2/3 of that amount for many of their locations. DVC for a 2 BR is more in the $1500 plus range for a week depending on specifics.
 
If you actually go to a presentation, it can be very unpleasant. I've never been, because I would be wasting their time, and my time is worth more than the token gift. I usually get asked to attend when I do the parking pass tango. After that they might call once or twice but last week at Smoky Mountain they didn't even bother with that. Usually a minute with the parking pass people and a "no" or two is all it takes.

Wyndham denotes in thousands. A typical deed might cost $5 and change for a thousand points and that includes MFs taxes, club fees, etc. Call it $5.25 to be on the safe side, though it is possible to be much lower than that (mine are $3.55) and much higher (I've seen as high as $7). A peak-season 2BR at Bonnet Creek costs 224K, so a "typical" owner would spend about $1175 for such a week in annual costs.

Compare that to, say, SSR---a 2BR in Magic Season is 316 points at $4.33 is about $1368.
 
If you actually go to a presentation, it can be very unpleasant. I've never been, because I would be wasting their time, and my time is worth more than the token gift. I usually get asked to attend when I do the parking pass tango. After that they might call once or twice but last week at Smoky Mountain they didn't even bother with that. Usually a minute with the parking pass people and a "no" or two is all it takes.

Wyndham denotes in thousands. A typical deed might cost $5 and change for a thousand points and that includes MFs taxes, club fees, etc. Call it $5.25 to be on the safe side, though it is possible to be much lower than that (mine are $3.55) and much higher (I've seen as high as $7). A peak-season 2BR at Bonnet Creek costs 224K, so a "typical" owner would spend about $1175 for such a week in annual costs.

Compare that to, say, SSR---a 2BR in Magic Season is 316 points at $4.33 is about $1368.

I got soooo embarrassed a few years ago. I had just told a friend that I had bought 100 points at Disney and was so very happy. Anyway, a few minutes later we joined some other people, and my friend told everyone that we had bought 100 points.

Then somebody piped up...we have 300,000 points!!! "What in the ____ can you do with a 100 points? Are you nuts? You need to get your money back." She said it with such authority, that I had no choice but to sit there and look like an idiot. I tried to say that it was a different system, but 300k did sound much grander than 100.

Anyway, we then had a cute conversation about broom closets.
 
I stayed there for 3 nights in June in a 2 BDR and I was pleasantly surprised. Our room was spotless...there were no maintenance issues...and people were very down to earth at this resort. You need to have a vehicle to fully enjoy this resort. We did our DTD trips, Typhoon Lagoon, and errands easily from this location and then did our 7 day stay at the Beach Club. I rented points from an owner, paid $120/night for the 2 bedroom less than 60 days prior to arrival for each night along with a $99 reservation fee (same fee whether you book 1 night or 7). Did not get one sales call because I politely made it clear at the "parking pass" desk that my husband was not traveling with me this trip and we were more likely to consider purchase without a hard sales pitch.
Also, I didn't have to call Mousekeeping for a blender and disposable salt/pepper shakers were provided with the amenities.
 
If you actually go to a presentation, it can be very unpleasant. I've never been, because I would be wasting their time, and my time is worth more than the token gift. I usually get asked to attend when I do the parking pass tango. After that they might call once or twice but last week at Smoky Mountain they didn't even bother with that. Usually a minute with the parking pass people and a "no" or two is all it takes.

Wyndham denotes in thousands. A typical deed might cost $5 and change for a thousand points and that includes MFs taxes, club fees, etc. Call it $5.25 to be on the safe side, though it is possible to be much lower than that (mine are $3.55) and much higher (I've seen as high as $7). A peak-season 2BR at Bonnet Creek costs 224K, so a "typical" owner would spend about $1175 for such a week in annual costs.

Compare that to, say, SSR---a 2BR in Magic Season is 316 points at $4.33 is about $1368.
Brian, would the dues be potentially cheaper if you own other than at BC. I know when it was fairfield they charged the underlying fixed week maint fee that varied by resort. And isn't it true that other than the base week of your ownership, there is no home booking priority for owning a given resort in Wyndham (other than the HI group possibly). Of course owning non Orlando would give one the potential to trading to DVC as well.
 
what trade company does BC use? II or RCI? or neither?
 
what trade company does BC use? II or RCI? or neither?
Wyndham is RCI points. A few Wyndham properties still trade in II though. Wyndham has a lot of mid level to mid upper level resorts.
 
I bought into Star Island, with the intention of being able to stay there for 5 nights a year. For that, I bought 49,000 points on ebay for $100. My MF is $300 per year. I must add that this was 2 years ago; since then, the resale prices have fallen considerably.
My first year I traded to RCI and for an extra fee (I think it was $150) got a 2 BR for 7 nights at Orange Lake. This year, I traded 36,000 points for a 4 night stay at Bonnet Creek in September for my birthday. The points requirements for Bonnet Creek and Star Island are basically the same.
And yes, Wyndham is famous--actually infamousfor their hard sell. I found this out the first time I went down to Orlando, in 2006, and innocently went on a TS presentation at Bonnet Creek. Their first offer was something like 150,000 points for $25,000. Well, last week 1 MILLION points at Bonnet Creek sold for about $8,500 on ebay!
All that said, I STILL intend to buy DVC. I want the Disney stuff--especially the Savannah view--that no one else can offer.
 
Brian, would the dues be potentially cheaper if you own other than at BC. I know when it was fairfield they charged the underlying fixed week maint fee that varied by resort.

Much as with DVC, each resort has its own operating, maintenance, and reserves budget, set by the resort's local HOA (home owners assn). Some resorts that were built in phases have more than one HOA. The HOAs of the sold-out resorts are generally owner-controlled. The HOAs of resorts that are still in active sales usully have a significant Wyndham presence on the Board. In addition to these per-resort fees, there is a "VOA" (the Vacation owners assn) that administers the points program layered on top of individual resort ownerships.

But the fees usually don't work out to be much different from one resort to another---some locations have higher labor costs, ocean-front resorts tend to have more significant maintenance issues, etc.

And isn't it true that other than the base week of your ownership, there is no home booking priority for owning a given resort in Wyndham (other than the HI group possibly).

There are two kinds of ownerships in the Wyndham points system. Older resorts tended to be sold as deeded fixed or floating weeks, and those weeks were then assigned to the VOA in return for an annual points allocation. Newer resorts (and all of those currently in active sales, AFAIK) are sold as an Undivided Interest in a collection of resort units/buildings, much as DVC is. Though, unlike DVC, these are perpetually owned once purchased, and not leased. An owner of a converted fixed week has only home resort priority for his or her owned week. An owner of a converted float has only the rights that the original float had. An owner at a UDI resort, however, has advance booking priority for any time at that resort, up to their annual points allocation, much as you would with DVC. There are some complications, and a few other advance-priority schemes, but they are less common. Essentially, the Wyndham system has evolved organically over time, starting from a fixed-week system.

That said, there are very few times/places that really require it, and its getting better with time. For example, Myrtle Beach used to be impossible to get for Summer without home priority, but they've built a huge new resort that has really relieved the pressure. It's not cheap in terms of points, but it is there. The same thing is likely to happen in DC when National Harbor opens.

(As an aside: the converted fixed weeks are usually the source of the outliers in fees per point, on both the high and low ends. Each owner pays the same fees per owned week, but peak-season weeks are worth many more points than low-season weeks. Likewise, larger units and lockouts tend to only be a little more expensive in fees, but generate a lot more points. UDI owners pay fees proportional to points owned.)

Of course owning non Orlando would give one the potential to trading to DVC as well.
Where you own has no bearing on your trade power, for good or ill. Wyndham does not allow you to reserve and deposit a week---even your own underlying week if it was assigned to the VOA. You either get a "generic" bookeeping entry that is averaged across all similar size/season Wyndham deposits (Wyndham and RCI settle these up monthly) or if you request a "visible" week, you will get something more or less at random from all the weeks Wyndham deposits.

But, the deposits Wyndham chooses tend to be things that are not in high demand by the owners. For example, Wyndham almost never deposits holiday weeks at any but the oldest and most out-of-favor resorts. They are also deposited "late"---at about 8 months prior to use. These facts together mean that the chances you get a prime trader are essentially zero.
 
Much as with DVC, each resort has its own operating, maintenance, and reserves budget, set by the resort's local HOA (home owners assn). Some resorts that were built in phases have more than one HOA. The HOAs of the sold-out resorts are generally owner-controlled. The HOAs of resorts that are still in active sales usully have a significant Wyndham presence on the Board. In addition to these per-resort fees, there is a "VOA" (the Vacation owners assn) that administers the points program layered on top of individual resort ownerships.

But the fees usually don't work out to be much different from one resort to another---some locations have higher labor costs, ocean-front resorts tend to have more significant maintenance issues, etc.



There are two kinds of ownerships in the Wyndham points system. Older resorts tended to be sold as deeded fixed or floating weeks, and those weeks were then assigned to the VOA in return for an annual points allocation. Newer resorts (and all of those currently in active sales, AFAIK) are sold as an Undivided Interest in a collection of resort units/buildings, much as DVC is. Though, unlike DVC, these are perpetually owned once purchased, and not leased. An owner of a converted fixed week has only home resort priority for his or her owned week. An owner of a converted float has only the rights that the original float had. An owner at a UDI resort, however, has advance booking priority for any time at that resort, up to their annual points allocation, much as you would with DVC. There are some complications, and a few other advance-priority schemes, but they are less common. Essentially, the Wyndham system has evolved organically over time, starting from a fixed-week system.

That said, there are very few times/places that really require it, and its getting better with time. For example, Myrtle Beach used to be impossible to get for Summer without home priority, but they've built a huge new resort that has really relieved the pressure. It's not cheap in terms of points, but it is there. The same thing is likely to happen in DC when National Harbor opens.

(As an aside: the converted fixed weeks are usually the source of the outliers in fees per point, on both the high and low ends. Each owner pays the same fees per owned week, but peak-season weeks are worth many more points than low-season weeks. Likewise, larger units and lockouts tend to only be a little more expensive in fees, but generate a lot more points.)


Where you own has no bearing on your trade power, for good or ill. Wyndham does not allow you to reserve and deposit a week---even your own underlying week if it was assigned to the VOA. You either get a "generic" bookeeping entry that is averaged across all similar size/season Wyndham deposits (Wyndham and RCI settle these up monthly) or if you request a "visible" week, you will get something more or less at random from all the weeks Wyndham deposits.

But, the deposits Wyndham chooses tend to be things that are not in high demand by the owners. For example, Wyndham almost never deposits holiday weeks at any but the oldest and most out-of-favor resorts. They are also deposited "late"---at about 8 months prior to use. These facts together mean that the chances you get a prime trader are essentially zero.
Thanks, that is helpful. However, owning in Orlando is an issue to trading for DVC if that ownership is listed with RCI, it may not be with Wyndham given the way they work.
 
I think if all you want is a nice bed with a short drive to Disney, Bonnet Creek is great and can be lot cheaper than DVC. But to me, the value in DVC is the resorts themselves - the grounds, staff, activities, recreation, restaurants, etc. We don't spend our whole vacation in the theme parks - we spend most of it enjoying the resort. If all you do is sleep and head to the parks, DVC is a lot less attractive.
 
You might be surprised. Bonnet Creek has a very extensive set of onsite activities and some nicely developed pool areas and other amenites. And, based on my experiences with DVC staff over the past few trips, Disney service isn't always what it's cracked up to be. The restaurant situation at WBC is quite poor right now, but when the hotels on the property finally open, that will be resolved, and the resort will be self-sufficient.

Werner Weiss did an overview of the entire property recently:
http://www.yesterland.com/bonnet.html

And this is the current activity schedule:
https://www.wyndhamvacationresorts.com/ffrweb/pdfs/Bonnet_Creek_Activity_Guide_Q2.pdf

It's still Not Disney, and all things being equal I'd rather stay onsite. But it's not as incomparable as you might think.
 
One of the things my daughter did while we were over at Bonnet Creek is the learn to snorkel experience. An outside scuba instructor comes and it was $15.00 for a half hour of snorkel instruction or $25.00 for a half hour of beginning scuba instruction. She had a blast and I thought it was very well worth the added cost. There were a ton of activites aimed at all ages, families and singles alike.

Every resort, DVC or not, is what you make of it. I found this to be a much better alternative to spending the weekend in a value resort to conserve weekend points and structured my vacation as such to take advantage of Typhoon and DTD while I was at that end of the property.
 
I think if all you want is a nice bed with a short drive to Disney, Bonnet Creek is great and can be lot cheaper than DVC. But to me, the value in DVC is the resorts themselves - the grounds, staff, activities, recreation, restaurants, etc.

Understandable perspective and I really enjoy the themes of most DVC resorts too. :goodvibes DVC offers something in the combination of their beautiful themes, kid-friendly recreation, points flexibility and transportation services that is rarely found elsewhere in timesharing. DVCers make the easiest reservations and get the most value from their DVC points by staying with them at DVC resorts.

On the flipside, Wyndham offers something in the combination of their low cost resales, points flexibility and the wide (and growing) range of their destination choices. Wyndham owners make the easiest reservations and get the most value from their Wyndham points by staying with them at Wyndham resorts. Bonnet Creek is a beautiful resort, not themed, in a great location for Disney-centered vacations, with a lot to offer at the resort for off-park days. Like many other Wyndham resorts, it has an extensive activities program and amenities for all ages - many in seasonal locations have indoor pools. It happens that there are a LOT of Wyndham resorts in a LOT of the destinations where we like to vacation.

To me, these are the major distinctions that I'd consider if trying to select one over the other. For most DVCers, the WDW area is the chief, exciting draw for using their DVC points, with a beach option for some. Hawaii, Calif and DC may expand this a little but I think WDW will remain the main reason for most to buy DVC. OTOH, I think most Wyndham owners see the WDW area as just one of many, many exciting vacation options for using their Club Wyndham points. WDW may or may not be a relatively small part of the reason Wyndham owners buy.
 



















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