bonnet creek timeshare vs dvc timeshare

[mr. advisor]

Hey, I know there has been some headed debates about bonnet creek being able to compare with disney. Well I have stayed at bonnet creek and plan on going back in the late summer staying in a 4 bedroom pres suit. I also plan on staying onsite disney in the near furture. I'am strongly considering buying into timeshare. I'm just wondering what are the pros and cons of both and does dvc have rooms that are comparable to bonnet creeks 4 bedroom. If so what is the compared cost. I would appreciate anyone out there who could help me.

 

[spiceycat]

no Disney doesn't have a 4-bedroom. they have a 3-bedroom Grande Villa - but to me it isn't worth the point costs.

you can get a 2-bedroom plus a studio - for less points. both sleep 12.

depends upon you - if you go Wynham I wouldn't buy from Wnyham (okay I need to learn to spell the word).

DVC different case. there are resalers - but with disney's ROFR - they aren't the bargins that other timeshares are.

I got a price from Wynham that was $35,000 - developer price I think for a 2-bedroom? Disney price is $16,640 for 160 points.

wynham I think is like other timeshares if you will cost you to go to a non-home resort? not sure.

you can stay at any DVC resort no extra charge if using DVC points.

of course with a resalers you can get one of DVC sold out resorts - you can also get those from DVC - but a resales will generally give you a better price. the problem is time. Once your bid is accepted - then DVC decided if it is a fair price. If they decided to do ROFR (right of first refusal) - then you have to start all over again. This can and did happen to one person 3 times - before on their fourth try - they came up with a price that was acceptable to DVC and allowed to buy it.

 

[jenntish]

the price for DVC from Spiceycat is deceiving. 160 points is NOT enough to get you a week in a 2-bedroom. So that's not an even comparison at all. For a 2-bedroom during most of the year, you'll need between 280 and 350 points (depending on the date). So at $100/point or so, you can do the math. I agree to not buy Wyndham from them... but I would say you can save a lot by buying DVC from a reseller. I did and saved nearly 25%!!!

 

[spiceycat]

sorry - I should have added staying sun-thurs (leaving on fri) at OKW during the summer - that is 150 points for a 2-bedroom.

fri and sat are more expensive at DVC resorts. I don't think they are at a Wynham?

 

[TotoToo]

depends upon you - if you go Wynham I wouldn't buy from Wnyham (okay I need to learn to spell the word).

NEVER buy from Wyndham. The points are readily available resale at $.03 or less compared to $.15 or more from Wyndham.

DVC different case. there are resalers - but with disney's ROFR - they aren't the bargins that other timeshares are.

Actually that appears to be changing. Recently Disney has not exercised ROFR on older resorts at prices that used to trigger it just a few months ago. That trigger number is only going to continue to spiral downward as the years left in the RTU dwindle. There may be some real bargains out there in DVC soon if not already. I'd still pick Wyndham as the purchase cost is lower (resale), the ownership is yours forever & can be resold again and the units are larger in the same layout (1 vs 1 br, 2 vs 2, etc)

I got a price from Wynham that was $35,000 - developer price I think for a 2-bedroom? Disney price is $16,640 for 160 points.

Not apples to apples. You need more DVC points to use a full week - add $$$. The price for the Wyndham - estimating 300,000 points needed for the 4 bedroom Presidential Suite for 7 days - still only $9000 and you can use those at 130+ resorts in the Wyndham system. 160 DVC are going to be at least $14,400 and that isn''t getting you even 7 days in a 2 bedroom - forget the 3 plus 1.

wynham I think is like other timeshares if you will cost you to go to a non-home resort? not sure.

you can stay at any DVC resort no extra charge if using DVC points.

No charge for Wyndham at the 130+ resorts. You do pay if you opt to use RCI to trade but you also pay with DVC to use II. Note the 130 resorts vs what, 6? All but 2 in Orlando. Not much variety in DVC.

of course with a resalers you can get one of DVC sold out resorts - you can also get those from DVC - but a resales will generally give you a better price. the problem is time. Once your bid is accepted - then DVC decided if it is a fair price. If they decided to do ROFR (right of first refusal) - then you have to start all over again. This can and did happen to one person 3 times - before on their fourth try - they came up with a price that was acceptable to DVC and allowed to buy it.

Again the ROFR value has been dropping recently and will now go nowhere but down. You can only buy whats left of the RTU with DVC - with Wyndham you are buying forever points and much lower annual fees.

Both are good systems but the value is on the Wyndham side of the ledger. It's easy to rent DVC if you must try it out a few times for comparison to Wyndham.

 

[Chuck S]

Both are very nice timeshares, but remember that Bonnet Creek is ot a Disney resort, so if you want package delivery, on site charging, free parking at the parks, discounted Annual Passes, Magical Express, etc. you need to go with DVC. Regardless of the location, Bonnet Creek is still technically an "off-site" resort as far as Disney is concerned. If that is important to you, I'd look into DVC. If you are used to staying off-site, and not hving the additional Disney amenities, then Bonnet Creek should be fine for you...but as others have said, buy Wyndham on the resale market.

 

[swilphil]

We stayed at Bonnet Creek at Christmas. It may not be a DVC resort, but it is in the MIDDLE of Disney property. It's right next to Carribean Beach resort and a short drive to Epcot, MGM and DTD, just a few minutes further to MK. The condos are so much nicer than the Disney DVCs.

With the amount of money you save buying Wyndham, you can pay for lots of taxi rides, limo rides, and annual passes. Plus you will have a chance to some other great resorts outside of Orlando.

 

[utahkennedys]

You can buy Wyndham point packages SO cheaply on eBay I can hardly believe the prices I see sometimes...tempting...Since "points are points" with Wyndham, everything I have read said to find the cheapest points with the cheapest maintenance fees. I never did thorough research in that area, but others may know. I wouldn't buy in Orlando except for DVC. We LOVE our small contract at OKW and also trading into Marriotts with Interval International.

 

[mr. advisor]

Both are very nice timeshares, but remember that Bonnet Creek is ot a Disney resort, so if you want package delivery, on site charging, free parking at the parks, discounted Annual Passes, Magical Express, etc. you need to go with DVC. Regardless of the location, Bonnet Creek is still technically an "off-site" resort as far as Disney is concerned. If that is important to you, I'd look into DVC. If you are used to staying off-site, and not hving the additional Disney amenities, then Bonnet Creek should be fine for you...but as others have said, buy Wyndham on the resale market.

Hey, chuck I always see in previous posts that the disney fanatics say that bonnet creek might be a nice resort but is not onsite meaning no dining plan, free parking, and so on. My question would be to you, does the experience of staying on-site outway the thousands of more dollars that your spending on dvc versus the resale of bonnet creek? When you add up the numbers does dvc over bonnet creek seem practical to you? Or does it not matter were bonnet creek is located or how nice the timeshare is? There are so many pro-disney people who do not really look at the two timeshares for what they are, they simple love disney to the point that nothing else make sense but disney. I'm not knocking what your saying but there are so many people who have chimed in on this topic in previous post, who I think are not looking at the issue without having a previous bias. Lets face it there are alot of people no matter how great, how cheap, another timeshare is they will never go against disney. When I make my decision to buy timeshare I have to look at all the angles. Such as money, how nice are the rooms, and yes what so many of you love to say the magic of staying on-site disney.

 

[Chuck S]

Hey, chuck I always see in previous posts that the disney fanatics say that bonnet creek might be a nice resort but is not onsite meaning no dining plan, free parking, and so on. My question would be to you, does the experience of staying on-site outway the thousands of more dollars that your spending on dvc versus the resale of bonnet creek? When you add up the numbers does dvc over bonnet creek seem practical to you? Or does it not matter were bonnet creek is located or how nice the timeshare is? There are so many pro-disney people who do not really look at the two timeshares for what they are, they simple love disney to the point that nothing else make sense but disney. I'm not knocking what your saying but there are so many people who have chimed in on this topic in previous post, who I think are not looking at the issue without having a previous bias. Lets face it there are alot of people no matter how great, how cheap, another timeshare is they will never go against disney. When I make my decision to buy timeshare I have to look at all the angles. Such as money, how nice are the rooms, and yes what so many of you love to say the magic of staying on-site disney.

It depends entirely on what is important to you, and how you choose to vacation. For us, we prefer the services included in on-site accomodations that are not available at Bonnet Creek. As I said, if those services and amenities are not important to you or your vacation style, then Bonnet Creek would be a good choice for you, as it is a very nice resort.

In my first post to this thread, I tried to point that out. If Bonnet Creek fills your vacation needs, it is a fine resort. The perks of staying onsite (magical express, room charging, emh, etc.) are a valid consideration to some vacationers, and are of little consideration to other vacationers. Neither is right or wrong, it is simply something to consider when making the decision about which timeshare is "right" for you.

So, to answer your question, yes, the onsite perks, for us, outweigh the additional costs of DVC rather than a Bonnet Creek resale. We are simply more comfortable at Disney, and it makes the extra we pay worth it to us. It may not be worth the additional expense to you. Everyone has different priorities on how to spend their leisure budget. That is why Disney has value, moderate, deluxe and DVC accomodations...different priorities for different guests.

 

[spiceycat]

okay here is the ones that DVC didn't by back at OKW - OKW is the oldest.

PASSED - OKW:
JudyTL -------------- 296 OKW (Feb) $75, 193 '06 & 296 '07 pts, buyer pays closing and MF (sub 1/19 pass 2/01) – member
Copperline ----------- 164 OKW (Oct) $75, 164 ’05 banked pts, all ‘06 and ’07 pts coming (sub 1/31) – member
Monkey Bum (seller)--- 60 OKW (Dec) $87, all '07 pts, buyer pays closing (sub 1/29) – member
Jlovesee ------------- 25 OKW (Sep) $85, all ’07 & ‘08 pts, buyer pays closing (sub 3/12, pass 3/19) – non-member
okw30 --------------- 150 OKW (Feb) $76, approx. 60 ’07 pts & all ’08 pts, ??? pays closing and MF, (sub 3/10, pass 3/19) – member
raff626 -------------- 50 OKW (Sep) $85, all ‘07 pts, buyer pays closing & MF (sub 3/15, pass 3/23) – non-member
squidmo -------------- 30 OKW (Oct) $87, all ‘07 pts, buyer pays closing & ’07 MF (sub 3/16, pass 3/26) – non-member
pjshaff (seller)-------- 50 OKW (Oct) $85, 34 '07 pts, Buyer pays closing and MF on 34 ’07 pts (sub 2/01?, pass 3/6) – assumed non-member
Mic ------------------- 30 OKW (Oct) $87, 18 banked ’06 & all ’07 and ‘08 pts, buyer pays closing and ’07 MF (sub 3/27, pass 4/13) – member
Family5LovesDisney –- 230 OKW (Oct) $75, 40 banked pts & 177 ’07 pts, buyer pays closing (sub 4/10, pass 4/20) – non-member
Stacyj2 ------------- 150 OKW (Dec) $77, 143 2006 pts., all 2007 and 2008. Buyer pays closing and 2007 MF (sub 4/13, pass 4/20) – non-member
WEHAVEM ------------ 60 OKW (Feb) $88, 52 "06" banked pts, all ’07 pts, buyer pays closing and '07 MF (Sub 4/18, pass 4/20) – non-member
MIDisneymomof3 ------ 230 OKW (Mar) $75.50, 8 banked ’06 pts, all '07 available (sub ?/??, passed 5/2) -non-member
staceyj2 -------------- 150 OKW (???) $77, (sub ?/?, passed ?/?)
FishRfriendz ----------- ??? OKW (???) $??, (sub 5/11, passed 5/21)
tink_about_it ---------- 230 OKW(?) (Dec) $80, 225 banked '05 pts, all '06 pts, passed about 4/26/2007
UncleKyle ------------- 210 OKW (Oct) $73.50, 166 '06, 210 coming 10/07 (sub 5/5, passed 6/6)
Disney_Kim------------ 26 OKW (Aug) $85, 26 banked '06 pts, 26 '07 pts, seller pays closing (passed 6/6)
texa------------------ 40 OKW (Aug) $85, buyer pays closing, buyer pays '07 mf - non-member (passed 6/5)
midnte0708 ----------- 220 OKW (Sep) $77, 220 banked '06 pts, all '07 pts, buyer pays closing, buyer pays 1/2 '07 MF (passed 6/8)
disneymayz------------ 70 OKW (Feb) $80, 5 '07 pts, all '08 pts, buyer pays closing (passed 6/12)
Disneyaunt4----------- 230 OKW (Mar) $77, 115 banked '06 pts, 166 '07 pts, all '08 pts, buyer pays closing ($525), buyer pays $730.4 mf for '07 (sub 5/31, passed 6/14) - non-member
cypresstxmouse-------- 50 OKW (Aug) $85 (sub 4/25, passed 5/11)
ChrisMouse------------- 52 OKW (Aug) $85, 52 banked '06 pts, all '07 pts, buyer pays closing & '07 mf (Sub 6/11, passed 6/21) - Non-member
tww369----------------- ? OKW (???)
henri + katie's mum----- 70 OKW (Dec) $80, all '07 pts, buyer/seller split closing, seller paid '07 mf (sub 6/21, passed 7/2) - Non-member

as long as it is selling at $75 and above - very happy.

I brought at $57.50 - there is nothing on this list at my price or lower.

now when it gets lower than what I paid I would be concerned.

 

[spiceycat]

o on. My question would be to you, does the experience of staying on-site outway the thousands of more dollars that your spending on dvc versus the resale of bonnet creek? When you add up the numbers does dvc over bonnet creek seem practical to you? Or does it not matter were bonnet creek is located or how nice the timeshare is? ets face it there are alot of people no matter how great, how cheap, another timeshare is they will never go against disney. When I make my decision to buy timeshare I have to look at all the angles. Such as money, how nice are the rooms, and yes what so many of you love to say the magic of staying on-site disney.

I also own some other timeshares. they are cheap. but what do I do with them trade to Orlando. So I have seem the best timeshares in Orlando - non-Disney.

I didn't like Bonnett Creek - it was just too fancy for my taste. Same reason I don't like SSR.

now if you do - it might be what you want.

I also happen to love the onsite stuff. even when I am staying offsite - for my WDW theme parks trips I like to stay onsite. OKW studio is 8 points a night during offseason.

the bus transportation is pretty wonderful onsite, offsite even bonnett creek has big complaints. Some people I talked to when the sales person had to answer someone else questions - that was their complaint.

offsite is ever going to have the transportation to WDW parks that WDW has.

but at least you aren't paying for it at Bonnett Creek. the other timeshare will cost you a fee for their buses or shuttles to WDW.

I just LOVE EMH - being their 3 hours extra at night - especially when the weather is hot & humdity - well lets just say it makes me want to go back.
the one hour in the morning is great too - but I use the 3 hours more than the one hour.

I also enjoy the discount on AP that DVC members get (right now).

If you are thinking of buying a timeshares and don't want DVC - then think twice really hard about buying in Orlando at all.

one of my other timeshares is westgate and it trades really lousy. plus westgate has added a bunch of fees.

don't buy in Orlando if you aren't buying DVC.

the maintence fees are higher and the trades aren't as good - as a much cheaper timeshares elsewhere.

the newest DVC is AKV - it is open right now (okay only a tiny part) - with opening until next year - might be 2009 before this is complete. I am expecting it to be sold out in 2010.

that say the next one (I believe) will be the Cont DVC resort. the building is going up now. It will take it at least 2 years to be build - then the inside. so thinking late 2009 or early 2010 before it is finished.

that say if this is a DVC resort - expecting the annoucement at end of 2008 - around 70% of the resort must be finished before sales are started.

the Cont DVC is on the monrail - it is also the first WDW resort build. (okay this building is brand new) - but it will definitely get people who would never consider DVC before. Hoping they want overdue it - but AKV looks more like SSR than OKW. so I guess I won't like the interior of the new resorts.

I like homely. OKW is homely.

 

[TotoToo]

the bus transportation is pretty wonderful onsite, offsite even bonnett creek has big complaints. Some people I talked to when the sales person had to answer someone else questions - that was their complaint.

Except for the leg from the resort to the transportation center all other intra-Disney transportation is the same for both as it comes with any ticket even expired ones. I HATE the buses / trams and do all I can to avoid them but they are there for anyone that wants to waste time using them.

If you are thinking of buying a timeshares and don't want DVC - then think twice really hard about buying in Orlando at all.

one of my other timeshares is westgate and it trades really lousy. plus westgate has added a bunch of fees.

don't buy in Orlando if you aren't buying DVC.

the maintence fees are higher and the trades aren't as good - as a much cheaper timeshares elsewhere.

Thats one of the big advantages to Wyndham - besides the much lower cost. You have access to 130+ internal resorts - including Bonnett Creek - but you don't have to own in Orlando if you don't want to. The fees & points spend the same within the Wyndham system no matter where they are physically based. So buy at a non-Orlando location that is one you'd like to visit or that offers the best purchase cost/ongoing fees ratio. Orlando use comes along for the ride when you want it.

As for most of the "perks" from DVC ownership I simply don't want many of them and find the few I would use not worth the purchase cost and the nearly double cost of annual fees vs Wyndham or other non-DVC properties. Westgate, although I own there too, is NOT one I'd recommend to anyone I liked

 

[jenntish]

My question is whether you can actually get space at Bonnet Creek if you own Wyndham at another location? Is the demand that high? I'm guessing it's difficult or impossible around the holidays... but what about other normal times? Would love to hear more!

 

[TotoToo]

My question is whether you can actually get space at Bonnet Creek if you own Wyndham at another location? Is the demand that high? I'm guessing it's difficult or impossible around the holidays... but what about other normal times? Would love to hear more!

There seems to be plenty of availability at Bonnet Creek at the 8-10 month mark. If you wait until 4-8 months much less but the real discounted rates at 1-3 months appear to be very limited. Very few Wyndham resorts - BC is not one of them - have a small window where unless you are owner at the resort with the 13 month priority you just can't get in. But most of the time at most resorts - BC included - you can easily reserve time at 8-10 months out. Wyndham owners know the patterns and tend to "spend" their points wisely so they don't grab up every available slot too early and only take what they really intend to use so they have more points left for other vacations & times.

 

[Janet Hill]

I booked two units (2 and 3BR) for Christmas week in May.

 

[jenntish]

Do their point requirements change with different times of the year? And how are their maintenance fees (for a point package that would get you a 2 bedroom for a week)?

 

[Janet Hill]

For a two BR

Value - 112,000 points
High - 189,000 points
Prime - 224,000 points

Maintenance fees vary by which resort you own ~3.50 - 4.50/ 1,000 points.

 

[jenntish]

are you happy with your Wyndham/Fairfield points? Where did you buy? Would you do it differently next time?

 

[tnkrbl1969]

I actually own Wyndam - There are many pluses to owning at Wyndam because first, the ownership is a lifetime and forever thing. I can will it to my kids and they can will it to theirs and so on. You can use the points for airfare and Disney and Universal tickets. We own 808,000 points at Wyndam (I know, it is alot) but we (3 of us) are going to Hawaii in January for 2 weeks and didn't pay for the room or the airfare.

Bonnet Creek? I don't know, we will be staying there at Thanksgiving and friends of mine said it was very nice but as far as I'm concerned - it is not Disney!! I am going just to see the place but after that I would not waste the points on Disney - I'd rather pay and stay in a Disney Resort. I will be hopefully be buying enough DVC for 2 weeks a year.