Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[LuvDuke]

3/20/08


"Clinton doubles lead in Pennsylvania"







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Aee you using Rasmussen? A link would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

 

[kribit]

Dropping the bombs in Japan was absolutely, positively, unequivocably an act of terrorism. Just like them bombing Pearl Harbour to begin with was an act of terrorism.

How anybody could even ask that question is beyond me. Do you not understand that to the countries that you bomb and invade you are the terrorists? You can't be the bully on the playground and not expect somebody to throw a rock at you when you aren't looking.

I am not saying you deserved 9/11. I am saying that given your role on the world stage and the manner in which you conduct yourselves there, the attacks perpetuated against US interests around the world are not surprising.

Please tell me you are not serious. Have you visited Pearl Harbor?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I could have written this...great post.

...I realized that Rev. Wright hasn't really said much that I disagree with..

Well, if you and others feel that way it's rather sick. And I hope Obama isn't elected to spread the sickness of his "spiritual advisor."

 

[lilyv]

Aee you using Rasmussen? A link would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Glad you asked Luv, and maybe it's time Charlie thought about calling the MaryKay lady for a makeover...enhancing one's looks is a nice idea, but may have crossed the line....

 

[LuvDuke]

...I realized that Rev. Wright hasn't really said much that I disagree with..

Well, if you and others feel that way it's rather sick. And I hope Obama isn't elected to spread the sickness of his "spiritual advisor."

What church do you go to? Who's your minister? What does he/she preach? Mind if I join in one Sunday so I can tape a sermon, complete with who else is in the church, and post 1 minute on YouTube and discuss it ad nauseum. Or do you think you're the only one with religious freedom and a right to privacy?

Keep opening that door, Joe. Sooner or later, you aren't going to like who's on the other side.

 

[LuvDuke]

Glad you asked Luv, and maybe it's time Charlie thought about calling the MaryKay lady for a makeover...enhancing one's looks is a nice idea, but may have crossed the line....

I kind of like the "Joan Crawford" eyebrows.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What church do you go to? Who's your minister? What does he/she preach? Mind if I join in one Sunday so I can tape a sermon, complete with who else is in the church, and post 1 minute on YouTube and discuss it ad nauseum. Or do you think you're the only one with religious freedom and a right to privacy?

Keep opening that door, Joe. Sooner or later, you aren't going to like who's on the other side.

We'd be glad to have you.

And when I run for office, post away.

 

[NewJersey]

Not worth the points!

 

[Charade]

Dropping the bombs in Japan was absolutely, positively, unequivocally an act of terrorism. Just like them bombing Pearl Harbour to begin with was an act of terrorism.

It was an act of war.

You might want to consider the context of war at the time. Bombing (regardless of the TYPE of bomb) of civilians was normal. It was meant to break the will of the people.

But in the end, I'm OK with responding with (what you call) terrorism when we've been attacked (declared war or not).

How anybody could even ask that question is beyond me. Do you not understand that to the countries that you bomb and invade you are the terrorists? You can't be the bully on the playground and not expect somebody to throw a rock at you when you aren't looking.

Please refrain from mixing Iraq and WWII together. Do you really believe that the US was a terrorist by defending herself in WWII? The Japanese were committed to defeating the US. The US was committed to defeating the Japanese. I'm for one glad we prevailed. I can't believe how some can't see the difference.

I am not saying you deserved 9/11. I am saying that given your role on the world stage and the manner in which you conduct yourselves there, the attacks perpetuated against US interests around the world are not surprising.

Yes, in fact, you are.

By using that logic, I'm justified in shooting someone who steals *MY* parking space. Right? Hey, they dissed me because of their "policies" (no regard for courtesy or manners).

 

[va32h]

1. "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no! Not God bless America! God DAMN America! (cheers) -- it's in the Bible -- for killing innocent people! (cheers) God DAMN America for treating her citizens as less than human!"

Do you agree that the governement gave African-Americans illicit drugs, passed a three-strikes to keep the black man oppressed and that in doing those things has treated black people as less than human?

I believe that the three-strikes law causes more harm than good particularly in states like California, where the first two strikes can be the result of nonviolent crimes like shoplifting or pot possession, or even two counts prosecuted on the same arrest. Three strikes results in more inmates serving longer sentences at a greater cost to taxpayers and removes the incentive of rehabilitation, as the criminal has no motivation to change his behavior - he's never getting out. There is also the theory that a robber or rapist is more likely to murder his victim (as well as witnesses or police officers) to avoid that third strike.

I've seen plenty of video evidence that some police officers treat black people as less than human.

Wright is also speaking as a resident of Illinois - a state that had to impose a moratorium on the death penalty after 13 dp convictions were overturned. One of the criticisms of the death penalty has always been that it is unfairly applied with regards to race.

And personally I don't find the phrase "God Damn America" offensive. I don't see it as blasphemy, as Wright is using it in the opposite sense of "God Bless America" - and frankly that is a sentiment I've felt myself. America has this habit of exalting itself as the ideal nation, ignoring our many faults. I am vehemently opposed to capital punishment and find it hard to believe that God would bless us for it.

But one thing America does do right - and we should be proud of ourselves for it - is this idea that the country, its leaders and its symbols, are not held in reverence. You can live in America and hate America. You have that freedom. You can make fun of or complain about our leaders. You can burn our flag. That freedom - the freedom to say "Damn you America!" is what makes our country so remarkable (and yes, better).

2. Jesus was a poor black man who lived in a country and who lived in a culture, that was controlled by rich white people! The Romans were rich. The Romans were Italians, which means they were European, which means they were white -- and the Romans ran everything in Jesus' country. It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folk are hatin' on Barack Obama. He doesn't fit the model!

CONGREGATION: Right!

WRIGHT: He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged.

Do you agree that so many folks are hating Obama because he is black? Do you believe with an annual income of $1.2 million that Obama isn't rich? (He makes more than 15 times our annual household income)? Do you believe that as a senator nad his wife's corporate board offers that they are not priviledged? Do you believe in the racist tone of Wright? Then Wright uses this foundation of falsehood to further break the law by preaching political endorsement from the pulpit (illegal) and says:

Yes, I do believe that many people hate Obama because he is black. I have heard too many unequivocally racist statements from white people to believe for a second that racism is dead in this country. My sister in law is black and one time she said to me "you don't know how bad racism really is in this country" but I told her "on the contrary. I hear what other whites say when they think they are in the company of people 'just like them'. I know too well how racism thrives in this country."

Obama makes a lot more than I do, I'll agree. But Hillary Clinton - whom Wright was comparing Obama to in this passage - makes over ten million dollars annually.

3. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over in her car as a black man driving in the wrong! I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it! Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home! Barack was. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people! Hillary can never know that! Hillary ain't never been called a ******! Hillary has never had her people defined as nonpersons! Hillary ain't had to work twice as hard just to get accepted by the rich white folk who run everything, or to get a passing grade when you know you are smarter than their C-students sitting in the White House. Hillary ain't never had her own people say she wasn't white enough!

Hillary is married to Bill and Bill have been good to us? No, he ain't! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!

CONGREGATION: (cheers)

WRIGHT: He was riding dirty! (Grinds his hips in sexual way)

Do you agree that Bill Clinton screwed the African American Community? Do you agree with using mock sexual acts to drive home a point so their is no confusion what he means in front of children in a church? Clinton did more for creating "opportunity" and investment into inner cities for African Americans than any president before him.

As I am not a member of the African-American community, I can't say whether they should or should not feel screwed by Bill Clinton. As a Democrat, I felt screwed - because he threw away his and his party's credibility for his little fling.

I would not perform mock-sexual acts in front of my children. But I also wouldn't get hysterical over Wright's few seconds of hip-thrusting given the kind of garbage seen on music videos and other media aimed at children. (I do get hysterical over the videos though, and MTV is banned in my house.)

4. "We bombed Hiroshima! We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians, and black South Africans, and now we are indignant (cheers) because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards! (cheers and applause) America's chickens are coming home...to roost."

Do you believe that the use of nuclear weapons to end WWII, saving hundreds of thousands of American lives by not having to invade the Japanese homeland was terrorism? Do you agree that 9/11 was earned by our "terrorist support overseas?"

I believe that the people who died in Hiroshma and Nagasaki (over 100,000) were just as much victims as the people who died on 9/11. I believe that 9/11 is not the worst tragedy that has every happened to anyone, anywhere and is thus unassailable. I believe that many politicians evoke the specter of 9/11 for their own gains.

I believe that it is at best naive for Americans to think that other countries will not object to what they perceive as our imperialist designs to impose our culture on the world and react to it.

No, we did not "deserve" 9/11, any more than the citizens of Nagasaki and Hiroshima deserved their deaths. But we would be foolish to pretend that there isn't a reason so many other countries hate us - and to address those reasons.

5be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”." ”We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” “Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever

So who is Michelle Obama "getting dirty with" to get her degrees and jobs? Who are all the other succesful African American women "doing" do advance their careers? Says no black man would ever be considered to run for president, when there was a strong movement to get Colin Powell to run in both 1996 and 2000. Now, Obama is certainly a strong candidate. Should Michael Steele continue to gain experience in leadership, it may be an option for him as well. I thought that Harold Ford had a promising career until he tried to jump to the Senate too early in his career and lost.

I can't deny that this country is steeped in racism. I think it is ridiculous to even try to do so.

I do disagree - and I'm sure Obama disagrees - that a black man can be considered for president. I doubt Obama believes his wife slept her way to success either. (But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that she'd been propositioned).

I suspect this would be some of that "generational difference" that Obama addressed in his speech. My daughter, 12, cannot believe that Jim Crow laws ever existed. She cannot comprehend that mindset. My grandmother, who died twenty years ago in her late 70's, remembers that time as "the good old days." There is a generational difference.

6. “America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

The United States did not support Apartheid throughout Mandela's incarceration. In fact, the US opposed it all the way back to the Carter Administration and passed legislation to force American Corprations to divest from South Africa in the Reagan Administration and employed economic sanctions against them. Do you agree that America believe in white supremacy more than we believe in God?

This is not a subject I feel knowledgeable about to argue with either position. I would have to research.

7.“We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . .”

Do you believe this? The current administration has provided more aids and malaria relief funds for Africa than all administrations before him combined. Bush is highly praised in Africa for these efforts.

No, I don't believe this. But considering that the Tuskegee syphilis experiment ended in 1972 - 1972!!!! and only then because of whistle-blowers contacting the media - I don't judge that sort of paranoia too harshly.

I've been told by more than one religious zealot that George Bush was appointed by God to start the war in Iraq and bring about Armageddon. I don't agree with that either but I can see where they got the notion. Bush made a deal with some otherwordly figure that's for sure.

I think it would be more accurate for Obama detractors to admit that they never intended to vote for him anyway, and that Wright and his sermons give them a handy reason to cling to.

You're right; I am not particularly concerned about Wright's relationship with Obama. I don't think Obama will defer to Wright in all White House decisions. I don't think the things said by Wright in this sermon will comprise Obama's foreign policy or will be the cornerstone of his presidency.

 

[DawnCt1]

Dropping the bombs in Japan was absolutely, positively, unequivocably an act of terrorism. Just like them bombing Pearl Harbour to begin with was an act of terrorism.

How anybody could even ask that question is beyond me. Do you not understand that to the countries that you bomb and invade you are the terrorists? You can't be the bully on the playground and not expect somebody to throw a rock at you when you aren't looking.

I am not saying you deserved 9/11. I am saying that given your role on the world stage and the manner in which you conduct yourselves there, the attacks perpetuated against US interests around the world are not surprising.

Dropping the bomb was necessary in order to end WWII. The Japanese were well prepared to fight to the last man, woman and child; with sticks if need be. American soldiers, preparing for the assault on Japan knew that they would not survive. I have heard of soldiers who cried when the bomb was dropped because they knew they would grow up, marry and have children, something that was unfathomable before. In dropping the bomb, more than one million lives, allied and Japanese were saved. There are those that argue that perhaps the second bomb was not necessary, but even after the first, Japan would not unconditionally surrender. In both cities, pamphlets were dropped describing the devastation that would ensue and telling those citizens to evacuate in Japanese language. I will ignore your 9/11 comments.

 

[Charade]

What we are witnessing is the very reason why the Founding Fathers put up a wall of separation between church and state. Implicit in the belief in this wall of separation was the idea that you could go to wherever you want to worship, but it stops at the public policy/government line. That is the separation of church and state.

The idea that we are even having this discussion should send chills through most Americans. The idea that some would deliberately infiltrate a house of worship just so they could do whatever the hell they think they're going to do should be roundly condemned by all Americans. The idea that some would appoint themselves the authority to investigate is truly a step in the Bizarro world.

Don't like someone's religion, don't vote for them. But don't complain when your religion gets thrown back in your face and it used to judge you. If you want religious freedom, extend it to others. If you want privacy, stay the hell out of someone else's private business.

What a fresh idea.

The founding fathers didn't do that. The SCOTUS did.

 

[charlie,nj]

Aee you using Rasmussen? A link would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

sorry I found it... on www.politico.com

ps - i mentioned it before you would be surprised at who I voted for in the NJ primary

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9135.html

Clinton doubles lead in Pennsylvania
By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 3/20/08 9:11 AM EST

Hillary Rodham Clinton has doubled her lead in Pennsylvania and now has a majority of Democrats’ support, according to a new poll out today.

Clinton now leads Barack Obama 51 percent to 35 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, according to the Franklin and Marshall College Poll. In February, the same poll found that Clinton was ahead by half that margin, 44 percent to 37 percent.

The Franklin and Marshall survey comes on the heels of a poll released by Quinnipiac University Tuesday. It also showed Clinton doubling her lead, with 53 percent to 41 percent over Obama this week, up from 49 percent to 43 percent in late February.

The Franklin and Marshall poll was conducted in Pennsylvania after the controversial video of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — the retired pastor of Obama’s church in Chicago — was widely aired on television and the Internet.

Another survey of likely Democratic primary voters on March 15 and 16, by Public Policy Polling, showed Clinton with a 56 percent to 30 percent lead over Obama. In that, as in the Franklin and Marshall survey, Clinton was making small inroads among blacks, winning 27 percent of their support. She led 63 percent to 23 percent among whites.

Before this month, Obama was gaining ground in Pennsylvania. But it now appears he has returned to a distant second. The Clinton campaign hopes to make the Pennsylvania contest a referendum on Obama’s electability. Obama still has more delegates, and his campaign is looking beyond Pennsylvania to later primary contests, in part because they view Clinton’s advantages in the state as difficult to surmount.

For now, however, the plan is to still compete heavily in Pennsylvania, according to an Obama adviser. In past contests, the more Obama has campaigned throughout a state, the more he narrows Clinton’s lead. But recent polling shows that the opposite has been the case in Pennsylvania, so far. Pennsylvania is also a closed primary, which negates Obama’s advantage with independents.

The Franklin and Marshall poll also found that a vast majority of likely voters — 85 percent — are “certain” about their vote choice. Clinton’s lead transcends regions, though she is weakest in the southeast part of the state. Obama is ahead in Philadelphia, in part because he enjoys the overwhelming support of African-Americans there.

Among likely voters, Clinton currently wins 57 percent of women while she splits men with Obama. Both Franklin and Marshall and Quinnipiac have Clinton leading among white men and winning white women two to one, numbers reminiscent of her strongest performances in prior states.

Quinnipiac found that she is roughly ahead by 10 percentage points among white men, winning 52 percent, while she wins 68 percent of white women.

Clinton is currently winning 57 percent of likely white voters, according to Franklin and Marshall. She is strongest among middle- and working-class voters, while she and Obama roughly split those making at least $75,000 in household income.

The survey of 464 randomly selected registered Democrats in Pennsylvania was conducted March 11-16, and has a sampling error of 5.7 percent among likely Democratic voters.

 

[DisneyDotty]

I think it would be more accurate for Obama detractors to admit that they never intended to vote for him anyway, and that Wright and his sermons give them a handy reason to cling to.

Thanks, va32h--you pretty much summed up my thoughts.
Through all these sarcastic, eye-rolling comments, occasionally there is some truth to be found.
Have a great day!

 

[Bonnie40]

Has anyone else heard about this new audiotape from last Sunday of some Harlem pastor tearing strips off his congregation for not being loyal to the Clintons? I'm waiting to see if the US media picks up on it the way they jumped all over Obama's pastor. I was speechless!

Even though I'm Canadian, I'm following this election and would love to be able to vote for Obama!

 

[lilyv]

Thanks, va32h--you pretty much summed up my thoughts.
Through all these sarcastic, eye-rolling comments, occasionally there is some truth to be found.
Have a great day!

Yes, indeed. They sure seem disgruntled. Why don't they post about their guy, the best candidate umpteen years? I keep watching for the McCain is the hottest thing since sliced bread thread...but they just don't start it. What gives?

 

[kribit]

Yes, indeed. They sure seem disgruntled. Why don't they post about their guy, the best candidate umpteen years? I keep watching for the McCain is the hottest thing since sliced bread thread...but they just don't start it. What gives?

People are doing that on the conservative thread. This is an Obama thread.

 

[LuvDuke]

The founding fathers didn't do that. The SCOTUS did.

You can't make this stuff up.

Actually, it was Jefferson who first mentioned the "wall of separation" and used the letter to further define the "the Establishment Clause" in the Constitution? But what the hell would Jefferson know?


http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html

 

[Charade]

Has anyone else heard about this new audiotape from last Sunday of some Harlem pastor tearing strips off his congregation for not being loyal to the Clintons? I'm waiting to see if the US media picks up on it the way they jumped all over Obama's pastor. I was speechless!

Even though I'm Canadian, I'm following this election and would love to be able to vote for Obama!

I did. It was quite shocking. But on a different level than Obama's Rev.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

You can't make this stuff up.

But what the hell would Jefferson know?


http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html

He knew enough to move on up to the East side, to a deeluxe apartment in the sky...Weezie was happy too.