Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[chris1gill]

Certainly not a silver spoon-fed prep school exsistence, scholarship or not.

Maybe those who don't have an ability to get into a prep school or ivy league school, don't have the aptitude for it (and if they do go, maybe they knew someone), maybe they aren't concerned with what they learn, or they are only going because their father went. Maybe they don't have the motivation for it or they use a tutor to get by. I harbor no ill will towards people who don't choose this road, as most people don't, but to hold it against someone who DOES, that's not right either.

And, when you're talking about the 8th Richest person in the Senate running (McCain) and the 9th richest person (Clinton), they do not represent what most people are living. It wasn't until '05 with the book sales that Obama actually made real money and his income in '06 is only about ten million dollars a year less than Clinton.... His holdings are next to nothing compared to his rivals, so all this priviledge going around, goes ALL the way around.

 

[agentpleakley]

Maybe those who don't have an ability to get into a prep school or ivy league school, don't have the aptitude for it, maybe they aren't concerned with what they learn. Either that, or they don't have the motivation for it. I harbor no ill will towards people who don't choose this road, as most people don't, but to hold it against someone who DOES, that's not right either.

And, when you're talking about the 8th Richest person in the Senate running (McCain) and the 9th richest person (Clinton), they do not represent what most people are living. It wasn't until '05 with the book sales that Obama actually made real money and his income in '06 is only about ten million dollars a year less than Clinton.... His holdings are next to nothing compared to his rivals, so all this priviledge going around, goes ALL the way around.

Yeah -- I'm sorry -- I need to feel sorry for Michelle Obama having difficulties paying 10000 a year for dance lessons for her kids

 

[Fitswimmer]

McCain advocated the surge theory starting in 2003 -- and the president didn't adopt this theory until 2007

That's why I suggested that GW stole McCain's idea without giving him credit.

Sorry guys, didn't mean to derail the thread.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

To listen to a McCain speech-it sure sounds like he is. I guess I could check the McCain supporters thread here on the DIS and ask how he differs from GW....oh, wait....there isn't one....

yeah, John McCain is really a clone of GWB in a different body...thats how Cheney has been spending all the oil money he's making off of the Iraq war....ya know? perfecting the technology in advance of this election.

 

[Charade]

And let's not forget a *real* racist/bigot, Farrakhan, has stated Obama's "the man" but that's really not an endorsement. Right?

 

[chris1gill]

McCain advocated the surge theory starting in 2003 -- and the president didn't adopt this theory until 2007

Oh, then let's give credit where credit is due.... The biggest reason for the downtick in violence there is our peace agreement with Al Sadir (sp?) and the Sunni's fighting the Al Qaeda that has come to Iraq. The reason for the surge was so that the Government of Iraq could come together and effect change. A recent report has indicated this just has not happened.

The surge that John McCain suggested has not worked to the extent that it fulfilled the goal it set out.

 

[crcormier]

McCain got one thing right. It WILL take the Iraqi government 100 years to finally get it's act together.

Unless we leave. Then I'm sure they'll get their butt in gear a whole lot faster.

 

[chris1gill]

Yeah -- I'm sorry -- I need to feel sorry for Michelle Obama having difficulties paying 10000 a year for dance lessons for her kids

Oh, let's all start listing what activities we pay for, where did you get this figure, can you back it up?

Now I will start, activities for one child, 1200 for dance, 5000 for harp lessons...

 

[agentpleakley]

Oh, then let's give credit where credit is due.... The biggest reason for the downtick in violence there is our peace agreement with Al Sadir (sp?) and the Sunni's fighting the Al Qaeda that has come to Iraq. The reason for the surge was so that the Government of Iraq could come together and effect change. A recent report has indicated this just has not happened.

The surge that John McCain suggested has not worked to the extent that it fulfilled the goal it set out.

Oh, I agree it's not doing exactly as planned -- the Iraqi gov't is not taking any responsibility in getting thing in their hands. Also -- I think they should start paying us back for building their infrastructure.

 

[chris1gill]

Unless we leave. Then I'm sure they'll get their butt in gear a whole lot faster.

But we aren't leaving... that would be admitting defeat

 

[chris1gill]

Oh, I agree it's not doing exactly as planned -- the Iraqi gov't is not taking any responsibility in getting thing in their hands. Also -- I think they should start paying us back for building their infrastructure.

I don't hear McCain saying it has not worked exactly as planned, quite the opposite, even this morning, it's working quite well as of this morning.

Do you think we are going to get one dime from that country? We destroyed that country, we're getting not a dime from them.

 

[chris1gill]

And let's not forget a *real* racist/bigot, Farrakhan, has stated Obama's "the man" but that's really not an endorsement. Right?

He never accepted said endorsement and certainly did not stand smiling on a stage with him

 

[charlie,nj]

You gotta love the typical lawyer replies Obama gave to CNN on Friday.

And, even though he has been a member of Trinity United for the past 20 years, Obama said he had never witnessed Wright making such statements.

"Had I heard those statements in the church, I would have told Reverend Wright that I profoundly disagree with them," Obama said, adding, "What I have been hearing and had been hearing in church was talk about Jesus and talk about faith and values and serving the poor."

The sermons in question became the subject of scrutiny earlier this week after being highlighted in an ABC News report.

Interesting… if he heard the sermons first hand then he would have said something to Rev. Wright. Funny his reply makes it sound like he never even heard the buzz about the Rev. Wright’s sermons. You mean to tell me that in 20 years of going to that church he has never heard a mention about Wright’s outrageous sermons? After the 9/11 sermon no member of the congregation said to Obamba “Hey man you really missed an interesting sermon last week” or “Did you hear what Rev. Wright said in his 9/11 sermon”? Give me a break!!

Does this mean that when Obama is President he won’t act on anything unless he personally hears it first hand? I guess that is why the DEM’s want to do away with the wiretaps. They are going to have Obama listen to every phone conversation “first hand” to see it there are any threat’s to our national security. Interesting idea!

PS – I love how the DEM’s are trying to shift the bad PR over to McCain. Knowing darn well this little Rev. Wright leak was all Hillary’s doing. Like I said before the GOP would never have brought up this gem 8 month’s before the election.


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[StrollPatrolMom]

I don't hear McCain saying it has not worked exactly as planned, quite the opposite, even this morning, it's working quite well as of this morning.

Do you think we are going to get one dime from that country? We destroyed that country, we're getting not a dime from them.

could you please link the exact quotes? going out on a limb I'd say McCain was saying THE SURGE was working well, as in the militray operation to control the violence....do you diasgree with that assessment?

 

[Charade]

He never accepted said endorsement and certainly did not stand smiling on a stage with him

Oh..... *that's* different. I keep forgetting. But his pastor awarded Farrakhan a lifetime achievement for something...

 

[agentpleakley]

I don't hear McCain saying it has not worked exactly as planned, quite the opposite, even this morning, it's working quite well as of this morning.

Do you think we are going to get one dime from that country? .

I'm not McCain, am I?

As to your second question -- most likely not. My sister spent 3 months last year in the Middle East-- she stated that the people were overwhelmingly supportive of the US troops being there. Take that for what you will -- I know someone else will immediately try to make her observation false.

 

[chris1gill]

could you please link the exact quotes? going out on a limb I'd say McCain was saying THE SURGE was working well, as in the militray operation to control the violence....do you diasgree with that assessment?

It was on CNN this morning (on TV, no link as of yet)... the problem with this contention is that the surge was supposed to be a short lived, temporary increase in troops to give time to the Government to get their act together, it is clear to those on the ground that is not true. The Sunni's are well known to be fighting Al Quada in Iraq, and it's also well known that it's the relationship/agreement with terrorist Al Sadir (sp?)that has slowed the violence. So, if McCain is saying the surge is working, he clearly doesn't understand what it was the surge was supposed to do.

 

[Chuck S]

I'm sorry, but don't the people that attend Trinity Church ever talk to each other? I'm pretty sure if my minister ever did anything that over the top I would know about it, and I rarely attend services. In fact, I'd probably hear about it by mid-afternoon on the same Sunday as the words were spoken...of course, they're "just words."

And again, the congregation that was in attendance didn't seem shocked in any way, that along with the fact that evidently the church membership didn't talk aout it later, seems to indicate that it was not totally unknown or abnormal for his sermons to take tha sort of tone.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Well just think back to that hate mongering radio show host that put on a show before one of John McCain's rally's... McCain came out when everyone was gone and denounced what he said... that guy went on for 3 days about how he'd been thrown under the bus....

i just read what CNN has up, they are not attacking Obama but rather the press which put four clips into a soundbite and made that a representation of what defined the church..




(CNN) -- The Rev. Jeremiah Wright's former church criticized the news media Sunday for coverage of his sermons, saying in a statement that Wright's "character is being assassinated in the public sphere."

Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois, defended Wright, saying he "has preached a social gospel on behalf of oppressed women, children and men in America and around the globe."

The statement came two days after Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, a longtime friend of Wright and attendee of the church, denounced sermons that have become the subject of recent controversy. Obama called them "inflammatory and appalling."

"It is an indictment on Dr. Wright's ministerial legacy to present his global ministry within a 15- or 30-second sound bite," the Rev. Otis Moss III, the current pastor of the church, said in the statement.

"The African-American Church was born out of the crucible of slavery, and the legacy of prophetic African-American preachers since slavery has been and continues to heal broken, marginalized victims of social and economic injustices," Moss added.
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"This is an attack on the legacy of the African-American Church, which led and continues to lead the fight for human rights in America and around the world."

In the same statement, the Rev. John H. Thomas, the general minister and president of the United Church of Christ -- the denomination to which Wright's church belongs -- said the news media were creating a "caricature" of his congregation.

"It's time for us to say 'No' to these attacks and declare that we will not allow anyone to undermine or destroy the ministries of any of our congregations in order to serve their own narrow political or ideological ends," Thomas said.

The sermons in question became the subject of scrutiny last week after being highlighted in an ABC News report.

At one December service, Wright argued Clinton's road to the White House is easier than Obama's because of her skin color.

"Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single-parent home; Barack was," Wright says in a video of the sermon posted on YouTube. "Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary! Hillary ain't never been called a '******!' Hillary has never had her people defined as a non-person."

Wright, who retired this year from his post, also says in the video, "Who cares about what a poor black man has to face every day in a country and in a culture controlled by rich white people?"

In denouncing those sermons Friday, Obama defended his 20-year relationship with Wright, saying that the pastor has served him in a spiritual role -- not a political one

That may be what they put up on the website, but I know what I heard and they specifically reported that Wright's supporters were angry with Obama and even used the phrase "throwing him under the bus".

 

[SwedishMeatball]

And for what it's worth, I'm sick of "The Man is oppressing Blacks and we're The Enemy. Exchange "White" for "Black" or "Jew" and you would have a KKK rally" rhetoric.

If us white folk were historically the repressed rather than being historic oppressors of blacks, jews, etc, in this society, I might buy it. But you can't make that case here in the USA. We've been on top for a long time and some of us just don't seem to want any competition over sharing power or money or even status.

Some day sit down and watch "Eye on the Prize." OK, it will take more than a day, but invest the time.

So two wrongs make a Wright?? This defense isn't going to hold with most people. It's time to stop living in the past and move forward. Just like the Holocaust, slavery and the oppression of black people, is a part of history that we should never forget. There are lessons to be learned no doubt. Black people still have plenty of roadblocks and are subjected to racism, but if anyone thinks that people thriving on the anger of the past is going to improve race relations from either side, then we will never be able to unite. Obama represents himself as a person of hope and change, but the sermons we witnessed by his pastor were anything but hope and change. He can't credibly separate himself from that man in my opinion. He's a liar to sit through all those interviews and try to pretend that seeing those sermons on the media was the first he'd been aware of them. I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth now.