Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[bsnyder]

Remember the Obama American flag lapel pin flap? Where Obama proclaimed that he had stopped wearing the pin because

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."

So, what does he do when his campaign runs into it's first big controversy, over his relationship with Rev. Wright? Here's a picture of him giving his speech, with a few, um, props:

 

[Charade]

Remember the Obama American flag lapel pin flap? Where Obama proclaimed that he had stopped wearing the pin because

So, what does he do when his campaign runs into it's first big controversy, over his relationship with Rev. Wright? Here's a picture of him giving his speech, with a few, um, props:

I noticed that too.

 

[Charade]

To be blunt, the Japanese would have fought until there was only one Japanese left. That is not our cultural mindset. We wanted to minimize casualties and continuation of fighting in the Pacific arena meant devastating losses for BOTH sides. We'd had it. We were not willing to sacrifice that many more American lives. (Considering that WWII ending when it did is all that stopped my father from being shipped out, I'm grateful for the decision.)

War is an ugly thing. The Japanese attacked us and had to be ready for whatever followed. Obviously, they thought we couldn't carry on a fight on both oceans and would be spread too thin, but we did. The Japanese government was warned that unless it surrendered, it would soon face "complete and utter destruction." After the Hiroshima bomb, they clearly knew the destructive capability of the bomb, yet chose to continue fighting. Therefore, they CHOSE to sacrifice their own people.....Which just backs up what some of have said about their willingness to die for their emperor/country. If anyone was a terrorist, it was the Japanese government for willingly sacrificing their people even though they knew what was coming.

It is a terrible thing that so many Japanese people had to die. But the cold hard truth is that many, many times over would have died had the fighting continued. The lowest estimates, which are the early ones and are now considered unrealistically low, were in the few hundred thousands per side. The more realistic ones, based on previous loss ratios and more accurate data on how many Japanese troops were indeed on the islands, placed combined Allied (mostly American) and Japanese military losses perhaps as high as 5 million, but probably more along the lines of 3 million. And that does not include civilian losses.

If we hadn't dropped those bombs, many of us wouldn't be here because our fathers and grandfathers would have died in the next year or two of battle. No thanks. Dropping those bombs actually saved lives, numerically speaking. A good many of the lives saved were Japanese who would have died in battle or more traditional bombing. Dropping the bomb ended the war sooner. Dropping the bomb made certain we won, and not the Japanese.

So by dropping those bombs, we saved millions of lives, ended the war quickly and made certain we prevailed over the Japanese. We even gave them a chance to avoid the bombs by surrendering and made it clear they were not ordinary weapons.....and there is no doubt they knew of the destructive capability after the first one was dropped. So they had every chance to avoid it and chose not to.

I admire President Truman for making the difficult decision he did. As horrific as using the atom bomb was, the alternative was, IMHO, even worse. It would have just been a slower, more drawn out loss of millions more lives on both sides. Of course, he was primarily looking out for America's best interest, as he should have since he was our president. But his decision wound up saving Japanese lives as well. Truman looked at the scenarios, and chose the lesser of evils. And sometimes, "evils" are all you have to pick from. You don't have any "good" choices," just some that are less bad than others.

Good post.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Maybe, but we'll never know as she has faced an unfortunate demise after being thrown under a bus.

"Grandma Got Run Over by Obama"

Catchy new song for the election season.

 

[va32h]

We even gave them a chance to avoid the bombs by surrendering and made it clear they were not ordinary weapons.....and there is no doubt they knew of the destructive capability after the first one was dropped. So they had every chance to avoid it and chose not to.

Surely the Japanese citizens - the individual men, women and children actually killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - did not have a say in whether their country surrendered. They did not have "every chance to avoid it and chose not to."

I think that is what Faye is referring to.

Not the government - but the actual ordinary citizen who had no power to surrender on behalf of his nation.

Do you seriously suppose that again, these ordinary citizens with no political power or influence of any kind, thought to themselves "well it's only fair. They did warn us. And in the end this will save so many other lives" while the skin was melting off their backs?

I do understand that it was necessary and pragmatic to compel the Japanese to surrender. Just want to make that clear before I get branded a traitor. That does not make the horrific deaths of the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki any less horrific.

You blame the Japanese government for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? You are saying that if they had chosen to surrender when offered the chance, their citizens would not have died.

Well, Rev. Wright is blaming the American government for 9/11. He seems to be saying that if America had made different choices, perhaps terrorists would not have wanted to attack us.

Why is the first perfectly logical and mere fact but the second the most abhorrent thought ever spoken?

What the hell is wrong with not thinking that everything America does is covered in rainbows and butterflies? Silly me, I thought this country was founded on the principle that government was not sacred and that a citizen could speak his mind.

 

[FayeW]

Remember the Obama American flag lapel pin flap? Where Obama proclaimed that he had stopped wearing the pin because

So, what does he do when his campaign runs into it's first big controversy, over his relationship with Rev. Wright? Here's a picture of him giving his speech, with a few, um, props:

You do realize that those flags are behind him, not pinned to his chest?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

 

[charlie,nj]

did you see the picture of President Clinton and Rev. Wright that the Obama camp released today?


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[Carl]

You do realize that those flags are behind him, not pinned to his chest?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't make any sense? Do Canadians speak a different language than us? A "prop" does not have to be pinned to the chest. Obama had said that he would prove his citizenship by WORDS. Those US flags behind him are not words.

 

[FayeW]

Doesn't make any sense? Do Canadians speak a different language than us? A "prop" does not have to be pinned to the chest. Obama had said that he would prove his citizenship by WORDS. Those US flags behind him are not words.

He said he wasn't going to pin one to his chest. He didn't. He stood in front of them.

 

[Charade]

He said he wasn't going to pin one to his chest. He didn't. He stood in front of them.

Now that's what I call spin!

 

[CathrynRose]

Now that's what I call spin!

You got that right. Weeeeeeeeee!!!!

 

[N.Bailey]

To be blunt, the Japanese would have fought until there was only one Japanese left. That is not our cultural mindset. We wanted to minimize casualties and continuation of fighting in the Pacific arena meant devastating losses for BOTH sides. We'd had it. We were not willing to sacrifice that many more American lives. (Considering that WWII ending when it did is all that stopped my father from being shipped out, I'm grateful for the decision.)

War is an ugly thing. The Japanese attacked us and had to be ready for whatever followed. Obviously, they thought we couldn't carry on a fight on both oceans and would be spread too thin, but we did. The Japanese government was warned that unless it surrendered, it would soon face "complete and utter destruction." After the Hiroshima bomb, they clearly knew the destructive capability of the bomb, yet chose to continue fighting. Therefore, they CHOSE to sacrifice their own people.....Which just backs up what some of have said about their willingness to die for their emperor/country. If anyone was a terrorist, it was the Japanese government for willingly sacrificing their people even though they knew what was coming.

It is a terrible thing that so many Japanese people had to die. But the cold hard truth is that many, many times over would have died had the fighting continued. The lowest estimates, which are the early ones and are now considered unrealistically low, were in the few hundred thousands per side. The more realistic ones, based on previous loss ratios and more accurate data on how many Japanese troops were indeed on the islands, placed combined Allied (mostly American) and Japanese military losses perhaps as high as 5 million, but probably more along the lines of 3 million. And that does not include civilian losses.

If we hadn't dropped those bombs, many of us wouldn't be here because our fathers and grandfathers would have died in the next year or two of battle. No thanks. Dropping those bombs actually saved lives, numerically speaking. A good many of the lives saved were Japanese who would have died in battle or more traditional bombing. Dropping the bomb ended the war sooner. Dropping the bomb made certain we won, and not the Japanese.

So by dropping those bombs, we saved millions of lives, ended the war quickly and made certain we prevailed over the Japanese. We even gave them a chance to avoid the bombs by surrendering and made it clear they were not ordinary weapons.....and there is no doubt they knew of the destructive capability after the first one was dropped. So they had every chance to avoid it and chose not to.

I admire President Truman for making the difficult decision he did. As horrific as using the atom bomb was, the alternative was, IMHO, even worse. It would have just been a slower, more drawn out loss of millions more lives on both sides. Of course, he was primarily looking out for America's best interest, as he should have since he was our president. But his decision wound up saving Japanese lives as well. Truman looked at the scenarios, and chose the lesser of evils. And sometimes, "evils" are all you have to pick from. You don't have any "good" choices," just some that are less bad than others.

I've not gotten caught up on this thread (won't tonight, either), but this is an excellent post.

Not only did they choose to sacrifice their own people, they chose to pretend that the victims of the bombing simply didn't exist. They offered these people NOTHING!

I am amazed at the Japanese way of life and probably will be till the day I die (minus this issue of course, since they did nothing to take care of these victims until MANY years later). I am in awe of their many achievements for such a small nation and think the US could benefit on many levels from their accomplishments (take education as only 1 example and farming as a 2nd).

Where the bombings were concerned though, it's been proven that many lived were indeed saved. Even Clinton says as much (if you think all the Republicans put out is rhetoric).

 

[N.Bailey]

Surely the Japanese citizens - the individual men, women and children actually killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - did not have a say in whether their country surrendered. They did not have "every chance to avoid it and chose not to."

I think that is what Faye is referring to.

Not the government - but the actual ordinary citizen who had no power to surrender on behalf of his nation.

Do you seriously suppose that again, these ordinary citizens with no political power or influence of any kind, thought to themselves "well it's only fair. They did warn us. And in the end this will save so many other lives" while the skin was melting off their backs?

I do understand that it was necessary and pragmatic to compel the Japanese to surrender. Just want to make that clear before I get branded a traitor. That does not make the horrific deaths of the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki any less horrific.

You blame the Japanese government for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? You are saying that if they had chosen to surrender when offered the chance, their citizens would not have died.

Well, Rev. Wright is blaming the American government for 9/11. He seems to be saying that if America had made different choices, perhaps terrorists would not have wanted to attack us.

Why is the first perfectly logical and mere fact but the second the most abhorrent thought ever spoken?

What the hell is wrong with not thinking that everything America does is covered in rainbows and butterflies? Silly me, I thought this country was founded on the principle that government was not sacred and that a citizen could speak his mind.

I don't think that what America does is covered in rainbows, but where this issue is concerned, everyone in any position of authority in this country says that it was indeed the correct decision.

The 2nd bombing did indeed get Japan to surrender, did it not? We don't have to like the devastation that it caused, but was it not effective? How many lives would need to be lost before you see this was in the best interest of everyone involved (Americans as well as the Japanese).

No one likes the death toll and we were sitting this one out (not that I agree with that decision). Sorry, when they decided to bomb this nation, we were at WAR.

IMO, if you want to send our soldiers to war, you'd better damn well give them every resource available to win. If you don't want to give them that, then don't send them to war. PERIOD.

That's where a lot of my problem lies with the current state of affairs. I don't so much care about political correctness as I do about doing ALL we can to win (yielding the lowest possible death toll for our military). That should be what is in America's best interest.

 

[EMom]

Surely the Japanese citizens - the individual men, women and children actually killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - did not have a say in whether their country surrendered. They did not have "every chance to avoid it and chose not to."

I think that is what Faye is referring to.

Not the government - but the actual ordinary citizen who had no power to surrender on behalf of his nation.

Do you seriously suppose that again, these ordinary citizens with no political power or influence of any kind, thought to themselves "well it's only fair. They did warn us. And in the end this will save so many other lives" while the skin was melting off their backs?

I do understand that it was necessary and pragmatic to compel the Japanese to surrender. Just want to make that clear before I get branded a traitor. That does not make the horrific deaths of the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki any less horrific.

You blame the Japanese government for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? You are saying that if they had chosen to surrender when offered the chance, their citizens would not have died.

Well, Rev. Wright is blaming the American government for 9/11. He seems to be saying that if America had made different choices, perhaps terrorists would not have wanted to attack us.

Why is the first perfectly logical and mere fact but the second the most abhorrent thought ever spoken?

What the hell is wrong with not thinking that everything America does is covered in rainbows and butterflies? Silly me, I thought this country was founded on the principle that government was not sacred and that a citizen could speak his mind.

Personally, I was more upset by the "damn" part of his rant, as that constituted taking the Lord's name in vain and broke a Commandment....from the pulpit, no less.

As for the other, I do not think that we could have catered to the demons that attacked on 9/11 in any way that would have made them decide to make nice. It's not what they are about. So I do not believe for a second that if we "had made different choices," perhaps terrorists would not have wanted to attack us any more than I believe that if I read fairy stories to a pig, it will sprout wings and fly. But if Rev. Wright wants to believe that, he can go ahead. That's his right. I think he is either terribly misguided, delusional or naive, but he can have his theories. I don't find it so much "abhorrent" as ridiculous, given the mindset of the terrorists in question.

I find preaching his theory from the pulpit as distasteful as when Falwell and Roberts have done the same sort of thing. I would never attend such a church and that's my right.

I have never maintained America is perfect. One reason I love to travel is that I enjoy seeing how other countries do things. I always appreciate America, but we could sometimes learn from others. We certainly have made our share of mistakes. Yes, Wright's criticism is his right as an American....But it is also my right to be repulsed by sermons delivered in what I saw as a racist, hate-filled, vulgar manner that was also blasphemous, of all places, in a House of God!

Here's how it connects to Obama in my head: I saw a minister making a mockery of his position by doing these things and the church crowd cheering him on. This is the spiritual community Obama chose and he is one with it. And that congregation was certainly one with Wright during those sermons. Wright's attitude and beliefs seemed not only accepted, but enthusiatically embraced by them. It is simply not credible to me that this was the pervasive attitude of the church membership and that the Obamas did not know about it. And if they knew about it (and I'm 99% certain they did) and they stayed (they did) then that leads me to believe they share some of those same attitudes, whether they admit them or not.

When I add in ( among other things) Michelle Obama's "proud to be an American for the first time in my adult life" line and the "typical White people" zinger from Barack, that just keeps my Hinky Meter jumping. Politicans are infamous for telling us what we want to hear and being highly effective at persuasion. It's what they do. I'm not convinced Obama is any different and he is doing nothing to make me think otherwise. His recent speech that some see as groundbreaking, I saw as CYA and razzle dazzle distraction. The lawyer in me read between the lines of that speech and saw what he implied, but was smart enough to not say. Or as DH said, "You're reading it like a lawyer, but he wrote it like a lawyer." And he did a great job. He was fairly subtle...but it was still there. I'll get off the subject of what I did or did not do/what I did or did not know without giving too much specific info and try to do it by seeming disapproving, yet still a loyal friend at the same time. Then I'll segue to the history of racism in America ASAP and remind them THAT is the real issue....not those pesky questions regarding me!. (That should distract them and keep the focus off my (in)actions. And since I'm biracial, I can get away with bringing it up because it's the perfect response to charges of racism. I'm untouchable on this one!)

 

[N.Bailey]

Doesn't make any sense? Do Canadians speak a different language than us? A "prop" does not have to be pinned to the chest. Obama had said that he would prove his citizenship by WORDS. Those US flags behind him are not words.

Should he have gotten the Canadian flag?

 

[OceanAnnie]

And what does this mean exactly? The Clinton campaign has said virtually nothing on this ........

It just proves Rev Wright was a bigwig in clergy......

I think it means he pulled the wool over a lot of people's eyes. He was two faced. Do you think he would've been consulted by President Clinton after the video was released? I don't think so. I don't know what putting that picture out was supposed to mean. The damage was done.

 

[va32h]

The 2nd bombing did indeed get Japan to surrender, did it not? We don't have to like the devastation that it caused, but was it not effective? How many lives would need to be lost before you see this was in the best interest of everyone involved (Americans as well as the Japanese).

Oh my god. Did you not read my post? Especially the giant bolded part? How much more plainly can I say it.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOMBINGS WERE NECESSARY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOMBINGS WERE NECESSARY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOMBINGS WERE NECESSARY.

That does not mean that the sufferings of the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are any less tragic. That does not mean those people deserved to die. Do you really think some random office worker or mother or child in Nagasaki was the impetus behind Japan's decision not to surrender?

 

[DisneyDotty]

IMO, if you want to send our soldiers to war, you'd better damn well give them every resource available to win. If you don't want to give them that, then don't send them to war. PERIOD.

Totally agree. And take care of them when they come home.
(Thank you, soldiers, for doing what you do in spite of limited resources and substandard medical care!)

 

["Got Disney"]

well said...I think you and i know that our country has been run by angry white men and their necon friends for far to long

Excuse me but that sounds racist

OK I was able to finally see it......Just exactly which part of this is not 100% true....You may not like hearing it, but it is the hard truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good for him!!!!!!!!!

um excuse me again good for him???? Do you also have a pastor that talks like this??? my black friends have told me it as a place they would not hang there hats and learn about the lord

He already denounced what was said for the most part, so you're too late on that one... The pastor's retired by the way

Ahhhh yes but the new one has a few issues also, and Wright was his moral compass also ...I will see if i can find the video on him.

I could care less if he was not running for POTUS on who he went to but he is and I would have been more happier to have seen him pick someone different to have be his Moral compass.

I may be a Hillary supporter but will vote for him if gets the nod and believe me if Hillary was to go to a church with white values opposite his pastor saying that kind of stuff about blacks you bet ya we would have an issue with that...and I would have to think twice about giving her my vote.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

You got that right. Weeeeeeeeee!!!!

Well done!