Blackout days for DVC Resales???

[lilpooh108]

Current restrictions help current resale buyers because they can buy more cheaply than had this not all gone down.

Not that things stay stagnant forever, but for any potential resale buyer looking to get in on DVC, WISHING for resale restrictions is short-sighted. It's a long term investment, and them saving a few bucks is also going to hurt their bottom line later on.

In any event, the current restrictions do not appear to have impacted resale prices that much. I sold my BWV for $2 less per point than I bought them for before the restrictions, and I got banked points. My brother bought SSR at $55 per point a few years ago before the restrictions were in place.

Wanting to get in on a lower price in exchange for restrictions that potentially weaken the the club is, well, dumb (not you Dean but you know those other hypothetical people).

IMO strong resale restrictions are an industry standard currently, DVC is a lightweight in that area.

Stop reminding them. Disney is like Big Brother. They. Read. Everything. Before the Disney Magic refurb was officially announced, the DCL threads caught on to a design firm webpage on the changes. Within 1 hour of it being posted on the DIS, the design firm webpage got shut down.

 

[timandjanl]

I was all set to start watching the resale market so I didn't have to pay an arm and a leg to buy at VGF. This thread has totally freaked me out and I feel like I'm back at square one. I realize if any future restrictions were put into place you could be grandfathered in, but there is nothing that requires Disney to do that. Ugh. So confused.

 

[Dean]

Not that things stay stagnant forever, but for any potential resale buyer looking to get in on DVC, WISHING for resale restrictions is short-sighted. It's a long term investment, and them saving a few bucks is also going to hurt their bottom line later on.

In any event, the current restrictions do not appear to have impacted resale prices that much. I sold my BWV for $2 less per point than I bought them for before the restrictions, and I got banked points. My brother bought SSR at $55 per point a few years ago before the restrictions were in place.

Wanting to get in on a lower price in exchange for restrictions that potentially weaken the the club is, well, dumb (not you Dean but you know those other hypothetical people).

That's just it, I don't see that it weakens the club, I think it makes it stronger because it strengthens the company behind it. Less or no restrictions significantly increases the chances we won't have new resorts and further removes the likelihood of any reasonable cash type exchange options for those who do qualify. Plus no matter the numbers, one can buy in cheaper today for resale than they would be able to without the restrictions and without any loss of truly worthwhile benefits from a dollar standpoint. With an ever expanding club, the benefits that are currently restricted are doomed anyway.

Stop reminding them. Disney is like Big Brother. They. Read. Everything. Before the Disney Magic refurb was officially announced, the DCL threads caught on to a design firm webpage on the changes. Within 1 hour of it being posted on the DIS, the design firm webpage got shut down.

I think they're smart enough and have enough timeshare connections such that us discussing it will have no effect, plus I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing when you look at it overall.

 

[disneynutz]

Thanks. I think some people take the "Club" part to heart. We are just timeshare owners. It's a superior product, yes. Sometimes there is pixie dust, sometimes there is magic. But every year we have annual dues, and every year your life changes.

Why anyone would want to make the "Club" more exclusive by limiting resales is crazy = shooting yourself in the foot.

A person's financial condition today is not indicative of his financial condition tomorrow.

I don't feel that it's a superior product, it could be but Disney chooses not to make it so.

It is located for the most part in a superior location, WDW.

DVC and WDW are too separate business units and other than location, one has little to do with the other.

Bill

 

[disneynutz]

I was all set to start watching the resale market so I didn't have to pay an arm and a leg to buy at VGF. This thread has totally freaked me out and I feel like I'm back at square one. I realize if any future restrictions were put into place you could be grandfathered in, but there is nothing that requires Disney to do that. Ugh. So confused.

You should buy a resort if the numbers for you and your vacation lifestyle and pocket book makes sense. Don't expect any perks or magic, you are pre-paying for a room.

Disney wants to sell you a contract direct at inflated prices offering you the ability to use your points outside of DVC. They have created the ability for you to use those points as a selling tool but the reality is, it's smoke and mirrors. The locations can have restrictions, black out periods, high point cost, and may not even be located where you would like to vacation.

It's like buying a car with free maintenance, only to find out that they only allow one free appointment per day.

Being an owner does have a down side, you will spend more money at Disney as an owner. Instead of an occasional Disney vacation, you will vacation once, maybe 2 or 3 times per year. The cost for tickets, food, transportation, Disney stuff will cost you thousands.

Bill

 

[timandjanl]

You should buy a resort if the numbers for you and your vacation lifestyle and pocket book makes sense. Don't expect any perks or magic, you are pre-paying for a room.

Disney wants to sell you a contract direct at inflated prices offering you the ability to use your points outside of DVC. They have created the ability for you to use those points as a selling tool but the reality is, it's smoke and mirrors. The locations can have restrictions, black out periods, high point cost, and may not even be located where you would like to vacation.

It's like buying a car with free maintenance, only to find out that they only allow one free appointment per day.

Being an owner does have a down side, you will spend more money at Disney as an owner. Instead of an occasional Disney vacation, you will vacation once, maybe 2 or 3 times per year. The cost for tickets, food, transportation, Disney stuff will cost you thousands.

Bill

I understand all that. I just took the OP to mean that those who buy resale might not be able to book at a DVC property during certain blackout dates, assuming the rumor is true and that it actually happens.

 

[disneynutz]

I understand all that. I just took the OP to mean that those who buy resale might not be able to book at a DVC property during certain blackout dates, assuming the rumor is true and that it actually happens.

Disney will do what they have to to meet their sales numbers and no one knows what will happen in the future. That's another reason to buy where you love to stay. Booking at your home resort in advance of others is guaranteed.

Bill

 

[CarolMN]

I understand all that. I just took the OP to mean that those who buy resale might not be able to book at a DVC property during certain blackout dates, assuming the rumor is true and that it actually happens.

Respectfully, that rumor is pure speculation and there is absolutely nothing in the POS or MSPOS that would allow it to actually happen for the existing resorts. It's a fun discussion, but there is virtually no chance of it ever happening.

In spite of popular opinion, DVD/DVC is not free to just make any change it decides to make - they must comply with Florida timeshare laws and the POS & MSPOS.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I understand all that. I just took the OP to mean that those who buy resale might not be able to book at a DVC property during certain blackout dates, assuming the rumor is true and that it actually happens.

It is a rumor and as Carol mentioned DVC cannot just do absolutely anything they want. I'd not let this rumor (that I don't believe they could actually do) deter your from resale if owning DVC is a good choice for you.

 

[jerseyduke]

I saw this in an article *********************************/2012/weekly-rumor-round-up-disney-world-universal-orlando-october-19/ recently:



I've seen several articles about this including one comparing the cost at expanding at WDW to what it cost to build the monorail in Las Vegas.

I would mind if they just upgraded the system they currently have. It's really having lots of downtime.

Sorry the system dropped part the link to the article I was quoting.

Interesting article, thank you for the link. I have a very hard time believing that it would cost 100,000,000 per mile for a new monorail! I totally believe it is very possible it would have even a negative ROI, and that there would be any business benefit doing it, even at 1/10th that cost.

My reason for doubting that number is not sticker shock, but this:

There is a light rail project being considered by where I live. The estimate comes out to the same number...100,000,000 per mile.

Two things to note on that...
1. It is a government project
2. I am in NJ, where it costs 10X the national average to repave our highways (it is about 1,000,000 per mile in NJ, national average is about 100k)
I think DIS can do things cheaper!

 

[nkosiek]

Interesting article, thank you for the link. I have a very hard time believing that it would cost 100,000,000 per mile for a new monorail! I totally believe it is very possible it would have even a negative ROI, and that there would be any business benefit doing it, even at 1/10th that cost.

My reason for doubting that number is not sticker shock, but this:

There is a light rail project being considered by where I live. The estimate comes out to the same number...100,000,000 per mile.

Two things to note on that...
1. It is a government project
2. I am in NJ, where it costs 10X the national average to repave our highways (it is about 1,000,000 per mile in NJ, national average is about 100k)
I think DIS can do things cheaper!

Actually, if they used their governmental arm and were able to offer transportation bonds this probably would be a halfway decent idea. That said, I don't know how much has changed since the 90s in terms of their structure and what they qualify for/can offer.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

oops, i hope anything i commented on haven't discourage you
from resales.....in reality, i think they are a good buy if one
does their homework....& make their purchase based on their
needs.

and i think the majority offering differences in opinions /facts/
experiences...are in~deeds! very beneficial for all owners.

i don't claim any dvc expert...though we started in 2002 &
did not buy until 2009. however, i do think the differences in
the ways one purchased & their own personal objectives
has an effect on their responses. mental health is something
i work @ for a career....so it isn't hard to distinguished when
a poster is being intrusive. m.h. 101~ all behavior have
meaning. it is telling when any poster selected an intrusive response
instead of presenting their "side" , position, or to add their
experiences. an effective counter measure is to ask for credentials
that can reveal any secret agendas. . ( m. h. the topic in the general
pop., is poorly misunderstood ---which explains why some social ills
are repeated so often )

i can only speak for my own observations / experiences & the
things i have learn here. i do agree with the postings about
no restrictions but wow!...i can't believe how low the quality
assurance is and how weak the dvc is--toward managing their resources
including the "don't give a nickel attitude toward primary owners-
be them resales/direct. i can't help but wonder if they understand
basic problem solving & corrective measures. okw and the first
ones they added ---of course was a different world then but once
they kept adding more & more- should have included up~grading
their policies and adding changes- to continue quality assurance. from
our experiences alone....they are not dependable and not trust worthy.

however, for all the current issues....there nothing that i think
could be fix by leadership with the skills of problem solving ...& doing
corrective measures. ( for example, the thing i noticed here ...
everyone has had problems with their dvc. everyone is
in the soup. ).

there are many things here that i have opinions about. i
don't consider them as "always being" correct or facts. nor
do i think they have merit over another owner. i like
keeping my options "open", especially when another owner
offers a better/higher % of being correct. i will change, willing.
however, when i read a defensive or an intrusive response
leads me to believe the opposite- based on the human
factor. what bothers me is the covering up /ignoring
attitude from dvc over issues effecting our dvc
ownership. i don't expect dvc to take "knee-jerk" actions
but i can't figure out that they do not take the time/
efforts out --to separate the facts from fictions. then
once they recognized negative problems ( losses -
$, damages,image, misuses, abuses & so forth) ,
have meetings to make real changes to correct. make
it work , toward meeting the owners' needs would
be the best way to fulfill their "great expectations".
(to me, that means keeping their promises to
their best ability.)

note, this is in addition to my previous post. however, it
has nothing to do with the references about renters/
resales. plus the thing i was original making a "point" had
nothing to do "personally"- to a resales owner or any
renter. nor was i trying "connect" a relationship between
the 2. instead it was based on the trends i seen here
coming from the 2 different groups.

also, dvc has done many wonderful things for us.
and we are learning each year on how to better use
our points. but i will never forget the horrible first
experience...there no excuse & we should have been
be refunded our whole price back- when they failed
their side of the contact. in the long run, it worked
out but in doing so-- revealed even more concerns. it
proved to me, a serious lack of ethics & in several
departments.

however, i am not saying dvc isn't worth the investments-
ours haven't been prefect but they did work it out. but
it taught me-- that the advice posters give about "doing"
research was/ is in~deeds , great advice. know what you're
buying, and become an active partner ...then dvc can
work for any owner--resales & /or direct.

* i read in interest when "m.~gal" did her resales. i think she
did a good job researching and deciding the best resort
for her family. so if you are thinking resales, then i would
give her input high value.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

good enuff, to share & answer questions. so pardon
my boldness to express my true dvc feelings, within
reasons.

yes, that is solid advice about booking blt @ 11mos.. but
i think it is poor management that dvc org. has not kept
up with the expansions with the necessary adjustments
so "all" are on an equal playing/booking field. why only
ssr owners don't have to worry about booking @ 11mos
unless the treehouse...while blt owners must have
unfair limitations?

oh, sure hope dvc listening?!


the list of poor management extends from every resort
outside ssr, hh, & vb. my observations are limited to the
postings here, but sure like to have available the data
inside the operations core.

it is a point i keep making over & over here ,but it seems
when i made a connection- elicited a blocking out approach/
feeling.

fyi---i am not interested in a personal resume, history or
even a color of eyes. instead, there are certain trends
by some that catches my attention..just because their
usage of dvc points are not within the desired structure
"family vacations", & having negative effects to ours.
owners renting outside their home resorts & requests
by renters...shouldn't even be possible. the list is
compose of many intrusive factors.

"insulting" too me, without personal contact- is what reality
suggest...an attempt to mask /redirect the point/objective
away so they can continue their own personal agendas.

i think too many times , important discussions are derailed
because the groupings are too large. eg. renters/resales.
.....renters cover a great deal many sub groups as do
resales. those sub groups operating outside the dvc mission
statements needs monitoring by owners /dvc managers &
other assigned staff.

added...i think there are major effectors between those buying
renting points for their family vacations & what some
businesses/business men. not speaking of the other rci trades
disguises.

no fellow dvc owner /s have the "rights" ....to judge any
fellow owner or potential owner ...that dvc is right or
wrong. speaking for myself, our rights is defined by
our contacts & the $ we paid. call it whatever you want, but
others' intrusions have hurt ours and why i am driven. that
also include any dvc worker/s that are taking advantage of
us and fellow owners. to me, a disgrace from what i just
seen here. not so gaaaauiable. not so sensitive that the covers
can't be "figure/d" out.

what kind of problem solving that i think would benefit "all"
dvc owners and close/shut/strangle off the loopholes.
well since one big /major problem recognized , suggesting
the solution of exposing /exposure efforts. the skills
are in doing the cutting the edges as to not only remove
the "bad" but to instill strength to the metal/s /core
over time.

dear dvc, i would add to begin @ the beginning. all of
my observations were made here, so the % for error/
s are too high for any type of compass. but what i can't
imagined from this great investment ...with so many
depending on the outcomes, ....with all kind
of figures......where are the statisticians??? to gather
the data & process the conditions? and add this gathering
of information in the dvc magazine so owners can "see"?

 

[Dean]

You obviously didn't understand the product you were buying into. If you feel as you've posted (as best I can tell), I fail to see why you would continue to be a member. Regardless, I think you're way off base on most of the topics you alluded to.

 

[Chuck S]

Please member that we do try to keep our threads on topic. The topic of this thread is the rumor of blackout days for resale purchasers.

Further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.