Blackout days for DVC Resales???

[genealle]

Read a message on a Facebook group that said they were told by a DVC rep that resale purchases may be subject to blackout days. Like she said, it may be a 'scare tactic' to close the deal.

Anyone know if that's valid, or just BS?

 

[jerseyduke]

I am not a lawyer, but I do not see how someone can tell you what when YOU can sell something you own...it COULD be in the contract, but I highly doubt it

 

[rlduvall]

I am not a lawyer, but I do not see how someone can tell you what when YOU can sell something you own...it COULD be in the contract, but I highly doubt it

I took that to mean if you buy resale you may not be able to use your points during certain times of the year, i.e. blackout. I have never heard this either way.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

They will have to change the POS for resales if they do and I doubt they even can. Of all the things I've heard "threatened," I must say that this is about the most ludicrous one I've ever heard.

You buy the points, they're yours to do with as you please. Besides, tracking this would be a nightmare.

 

[genealle]

I took that to mean if you buy resale you may not be able to use your points during certain times of the year, i.e. blackout. I have never heard this either way.

rlduvall, you are correct.

As far as tracking, that's easy with computer systems. I hope it's totally ridiculous. RCI I don't much care about, but blackouts would be egregious.

 

[brertoad]

Our contract is a resale, we have no blackout days. I don't know why anyone would tell you that other than to scare them.

You are able to book any day of the year. Some days are more expensive, like Christmas, New Year's Eve/Day, but this info is on the point charts - under "Premier" Season.

If you are worried about this, buy a resale now, if they change something in the future, then I assume you would be grandfathered in.

 

[SuperRob]

The only restrictions on resale accounts is that you can't exchange your points ... you're only able to use them at DVC resorts. That's a relatively new restriction.

They could change it in the future, but I would highly doubt it. If they do change it, however, the existing resale contracts would need to be grandfathered in on the old terms ... just like they did with the point exchange restriction.

 

[disneynutz]

One rumor was that Disney may black out non home resort bookings during certain months for resale buyers. I don't see how they can but you never know.

Bill

 

[BestDadEver]

One rumor was that Disney may black out non home resort bookings during certain months for resale buyers. I don't see how they can but you never know.

Bill

I think if something like this is implemented they will have to do it like they did in the past and make for be resale contracts as of x date .

I think it's a good idea I think there needs to be a real difference between direct and resale

 

[Sandisw]

I do not see how they could effectively do this with a points based timeshare and it would be even harder to do it with some of the members.

 

[gray52]

I think if something like this is implemented they will have to do it like they did in the past and make for be resale contracts as of x date .

I think it's a good idea I think there needs to be a real difference between direct and resale

And why exactly do you hold that opinion?

 

[Dean]

One rumor was that Disney may black out non home resort bookings during certain months for resale buyers. I don't see how they can but you never know.

Bill

It is my opinion that this cannot be done just like I don't believe they can limit resale buyers from booking the same as others for club resorts.

I think if something like this is implemented they will have to do it like they did in the past and make for be resale contracts as of x date .

As noted above, I don't think they could do this. However, there is no reason that resale restrictions couldn't be back dates. Personally any changes going forward I would expect to apply back to the resale limitation date currently in place.

I think it's a good idea I think there needs to be a real difference between direct and resale

From DVD's standpoint I agree, but from a members standpoint there's really no real benefit unless one hopes it'll depress the resale market. It's unlikely they'll add much to qualified owners enough to matter and it's unlikely the restrictions will be enough to improve the nature of cash type exchanges.

And why exactly do you hold that opinion?

Retail buyer!

 

[BestDadEver]

I can answer for myself dean .

And why exactly do you hold that opinion?

If they keep creating new dvc resorts there is going to be a flood of people that opt out of there home resorts trying to get the hot spots , making it harder to book outside you home resort , alleviating part of the problem .

 

[luckyman_apd]

I can answer for myself dean .



If they keep creating new dvc resorts there is going to be a flood of people that opt out of there home resorts trying to get the hot spots , making it harder to book outside you home resort , alleviating part of the problem .

You have it backwards if I understand you correctly, you seem to think people booking non home resort will it harder to get what you want? Not following. If nobody booked at other resorts, you couldn't book at theirs either. It's the trading that makes the club work. It's also why you get a home resort priority. You are always guaranteed your home resort over a resale OR direct buyer from another resort....period.

Still not sure how this answers why a difference between direct and resale is necessary.

 

[brertoad]

The whole program works because it give everyone flexibility, not everyone wants to only stay at their home resort. What if Aulani was your home resort? How many times will you really go to Hawaii? One a year for the rest of your life, get serious.

I don't think most people want more rules and regulations on their DVC timeshare.

 

[BestDadEver]

You have it backwards if I understand you correctly, you seem to think people booking non home resort will it harder to get what you want? Not following. If nobody booked at other resorts, you couldn't book at theirs either. It's the trading that makes the club work. It's also why you get a home resort priority. You are always guaranteed your home resort over a resale OR direct buyer from another resort....period.

Still not sure how this answers why a difference between direct and resale is necessary.

I don't have it backwards I am talking about when there is an excessive amount of people looking elsewhere this will become a problem at specific times and specific resorts . Now they added GFV like you said that person not going to want to stay GFV every trip , now you have 8 instead of 7 resorts (not sure about thoses numbers )of people trying to book Epcot resorts during food and wine GL

 

[Dean]

I can answer for myself dean .



If they keep creating new dvc resorts there is going to be a flood of people that opt out of there home resorts trying to get the hot spots , making it harder to book outside you home resort , alleviating part of the problem .

I didn't answer for you, I labeled your perspective.

I don't believe your stated reason would make ANY difference one way or another. The only way this would make a difference would be if they created a new and unrelated timeshare system and then cross linked them only giving access to a specified group which might be qualified owners/points or it might be those in a VIP system that had as a min requirement, qualified points. I do not believe it's possible for the current resorts for DVC to limit resale owners to the home resort only or to create a shorter reservation window than the window for other owners (currently 7 mo). Thus resale vs retail makes zero difference in the 7 or 11 month availability other than as it might affect the intent of a given new buyer. It could actually work in reverse for both the 11 and 7 month window if it created 2 distinct groups (even more than now), those that want a given resort and those that just want a points cow. Thus it has the potential to make it both more difficult at the 11 month window for high demand resorts AND at the 7 month window based on even more points in play. I know some retail buyers come at this from a vindictive direction, they don’t see resale buyers as a true and full part of the system and are happy with whatever happens to them, I see that perspective as petty and small but I know they are out there.

Now, if they add enough additional perks to retail buyers, that could add value though I’m doubting they will. More likely take more things away from resale buyers. If they were able to reduce the pool of buyers that were qualified, they could improve the value of cash type exchanges, but this is contrary to their sales goals. However, given that everyone who sells (even if they bought retail) will be selling as resale points, there is a certain loss to all owners. Even with the current spike, resale prices are generally down after the resale limitations than before. Any further changes, almost certain to be negative, would further hurt values. IMO this actually helps resale buyers more than it does retail buyers unless they actually put enough changes in place to truly hurt those resale buyers and I don’t see DVD as having that much backbone in this area, but we’ll see.

 

[Missyrose]

I don't have it backwards I am talking about when there is an excessive amount of people looking elsewhere this will become a problem at specific times and specific resorts . Now they added GFV like you said that person not going to want to stay GFV every trip , now you have 8 instead of 7 resorts (not sure about thoses numbers )of people trying to book Epcot resorts during food and wine GL

This just makes the adage "Buy where you want to stay" all the more important. I also think that the number of resale buyers isn't as large as we might think. This board is a very skewed sample of DVC owners. We tend to be very knowledgeable, knowing the ins and outs of the system before we purchase and have weighed the pros and cons of resale vs. retail. I would venture to say that resale buyers make up less than 20 percent of the owners pool. The vast majority of people who buy DVC don't learn there is a resale market until after they buy. So another round of restrictions may not make as big an impact as you'd hope.

 

[crisi]

It is my opinion that this cannot be done just like I don't believe they can limit resale buyers from booking the same as others for club resorts.

Even if they could, I can't figure out why they'd want to.

I'm a resale BWV owner. They WANT me to decide once in a while to use my points somewhere else and free up those BWV rooms. If I don't get to do that, then that limits the available of BWV rooms for non-BWV owners who did buy retail. And if I can't do that until later than retail buyers, then I'm less likely to do that - plus that room isn't freed up for anyone until I can if I do, not freeing up that room again. It sounds like a good way to create more system gridlock than currently exists (and it already exists around early December and Food and Wine - particularly with BWV and BCV).

As to blackout dates, I doubt they can - there isn't a contractual provision for anything like that.

 

[maburke]

The only restrictions on resale accounts is that you can't exchange your points ... you're only able to use them at DVC resorts. That's a relatively new restriction.

Just to clarify: You CAN use resale points for RCI. Not Disney Collection, or cruises, but there are ways to exchange.