Bill O'Reiley STILL banging the "liberals hate Christmas" drum...

[Patch'sD]

Ok so now you are protecting us from religions that you find offensive, which is it. You are now using the First Amendment to protect you from religions that you find offensive. You want it both ways.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Ok so now you are protecting us from religions that you find offensive, which is it. You are now using the First Amendment to protect you from religions that you find offensive. You want it both ways.

Where did I say that.. I wouldn't be offended,but I have a feeling you would be You're the one saying that we should let all religions represent themselves on government property..Be careful what you wish for

 

[M:SteveO]

Religious symbols have no business on government property because in the United States we do not have an official religion.

~Amanda

Last time I checked, Christmas was a Federal Holiday. Christmas also happens to be a religious holiday. So if you put the two together, the federal gov't is recognizing a religious holiday. Seems like according to your's and other's logic, the US gov't has been violating it's own Constitution for 220 years. Sue. I'm sure you could find an ACLU wacko to go with you. And while your at it, take 'In God We Trust" off our money, "god" out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and so on and so forth.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Last time I checked, Christmas was a Federal Holiday. Christmas also happens to be a religious holiday. So if you put the two together, the federal gov't is recognizing a religious holiday. Seems like according to your's and other's logic, the US gov't has been violating it's own Constitution for 220 years. Sue. I'm sure you could find an ACLU wacko to go with you. And while your at it, take 'In God We Trust" off our money, "god" out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and so on and so forth.

Yup...Lets do it

 

[DarkSideMoon]

You do realize it never specifies which God right? so only atheists or people who dont believe in any God should be offended by that.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You do realize it never specifies which God right? so only atheists or people who dont believe in any God should be offended by that.

Sorry but I dont think any G-d should be on the US governments money even if It's my G-d. .Nor do I think pledging to a Nation *under G-d* should be tied to ones loyalty to their country. Does that mean Athiests have less allegiance to their country or that Pagans,Buddhists and Hindu's who don't worship the G-d of ABraham ,are Lessor citizens than those who do? My G-d is not Jesus,and since it was a Christian organization who pushed to add under G-d to the pledge,I'm pretty sure they meant Jesus

 

[AnaheimGirl]

Seems like according to your's and other's logic, the US gov't has been violating it's own Constitution for 220 years.

Actually, only for 135 years. Christmas didn't become a federal holiday until 1870. As someone pointed out earlier (or was it in another thread?) "In God We Trust" wasn't put on our coins until after the Civil War and paper money until much later than that. And "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's. So, although that's the way it is now, it seems pretty obvious to me it's not what the founding fathers intended.

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Actually, only for 135 years. Christmas didn't become a federal holiday until 1870. As someone pointed out earlier (or was it in another thread?) "In God We Trust" wasn't put on our coins until after the Civil War and paper money until much later than that. And "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's. So, although that's the way it is now, it seems pretty obvious to me it's not what the founding fathers intended.

In his inaugural address

....... So Help me God

 

[JennyMominRI]

In his inaugural address

SO are you saying you do think this country is and should be a Christian theocracy?

 

[AnaheimGirl]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

no LAW. not putting up Christmas decor

Why so hung up on the exact wording of the law? Do you realize laws are written in general terms specifically because lawmakers know they cannot possibly predict every scenario to which a law might apply? Do you realize it's not unusual for those who interpret the law to look to congressional record, committee reports, etc, to determine the intent of the lawmakers? Just because there is no law on the books specifically reading "no government property is allowed to put up Christmas decor", does not mean it's proper for them to do so.

Someone in another thread was similarly hung up on the fact that the words "separation of church and state" aren't specifically mentioned in the constitution. Big deal! It doesn't matter. It's very clear from other documents that that was the intent, and that's the important part.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Why so hung up on the exact wording of the law? Do you realize laws are written in general terms specifically because lawmakers know they cannot possibly predict every scenario to which a law might apply? Do you realize it's not unusual for those who interpret the law to look to congressional record, committee reports, etc, to determine the intent of the lawmakers? Just because there is no law on the books specifically reading "no government property is allowed to put up Christmas decor", does not mean it's proper for them to do so.

Someone in another thread was similarly hung up on the fact that the words "separation of church and state" aren't specifically mentioned in the constitution. Big deal! It doesn't matter. It's very clear from other documents that that was the intent, and that's the important part.

The word Trinity certainly isn't written in the NT and yet I bet most of the people on the issue you are talking about will be the first to tell you it's implied
I just wanted to add that I don't see any of this as Taking G-d out of America.. My G-d is everywhere and is certainly way to powerful to be taken out of anyplace.He lives in my heart and in my life and in my home and certainly can't be *kept* from being anywhere.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

In his inaugural address

....... So Help me God

Holy Shmoly! George Washington posted on the DISBoards??!!

But seriously. That was him, talking about himself, asking God to help him. It has nothing to do with U.S. government endorsed religion.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

I just wanted to add that I don't see any of this as Taking G-d out of America.. My G-d is everywhere and is certainly way to powerful to be taken out of anyplace.He lives in my heart and in my life and in my home and certainly can't be *kept* from being anywhere.

Yea, this is what's so odd about this whole topic. Some people seem to think that if they can't celebrate Christmas at school, the mall or at their city hall, that it's going to go away. I don't think God is so easily deterred either.

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Holy Shmoly! George Washington posted on the DISBoards??!!

But seriously. That was him, talking about himself, asking God to help him. It has nothing to do with U.S. government endorsed religion.

yeah the boards have been around quite a long time. He got banned for cutting down too many cherry trees. .

 

[JennyMominRI]

Yea, this is what's so odd about this whole topic. Some people seem to think that if they can't celebrate Christmas at school, the mall or at their city hall, that it's going to go away. I don't think God is so easily deterred either.

ANd where I am it's 2 out of 3..Christmas is all over our malls and schools. i don't know about city hall.. ANd this is in liberal New England. It's funny Some people see my views as wanting to destroy religion.The way I see it I'm fighting to preserve mine..As soon as many countries get state sponsored religions often the minority ones can kiss their rights goodbye..And I'm not talking about not being able to display the 10 commandments at city hall,I'm talking actual religious persecution

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Well, i am going to go to bed. I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree because this thread will be locked away by the time i next check.

 

[JennyMominRI]

yeah the boards have been around quite a long time. He got banned for cutting down too many cherry trees. .

Look,you're not supposed to be funny. You're supposed to be argueing with us

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Lol. I am coming off my caffeine binge and literally falling asleep on the keys.....

 

[AnaheimGirl]

yeah the boards have been around quite a long time. He got banned for cutting down too many cherry trees. .

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Glad I could bring some humor into a very heated thread...... ( falls asleep on keyboard )