Biggest disappointment at WDW......

[justhat]

On our trip last month, one bus driver told people if they had young children they needed to hold them on their laps to accomodate as many people as possible on the bus. I was really glad he said that cause on a bus ride the day before, people had 2yo in seats while many people stood, including many elderly people and people holding babies (including myself, holding my 1yo). I was about to sit as there was an empty seat when I was walking onto the bus, but a mom yelled to her 16 or 17yo son to come quick and take the seat. She looked at me while yelling to him (he was walking further back in the bus). She then held her other son (about 15 or 16yo) on her lap. A man did offer to give me his seat, but he was holding a double stroller and tons of baby gear and other bags so I told him he could stay there. They had 2 young kids that the mom was holding and while I appreciated his offer, he needed the seat as much as me. The mom with the teen boys heard all this but did not once offer her seat or her son's.

 

[TNAngie]

I haven't read this entire thread, but.... I totally agree about not wanting to stand on a bus while pregnant or while holding small children, however, unless it is the very last bus of the day- another one will come. My family has waited many times for another bus, even though we could have crammed onto one. When the new bus comes, we get seats. Standing is really not an option, my husband and I are holding onto kids and strollers. I don't understand getting upset when you know before (or at least as soon as you get on) the bus that there are no seats. You can choose to wait for another bus. I just look at it like a line to ride a ride, sometimes you don't make it on that one.

 

[berkshire mike]

Blah, blah........."why don't you just ask", blah, blah........."take another bus", blah, blah......."it's MY seat", blah, blah,........"rent a car", blah, blah........................

 

[WillCAD]

Yada yada, "no courtesy", yada yada, "rude", yada yada, "mean people won't give me what I want", yada yada, "no compassion", blah blah, "I deserve your seat more than you do", yada yada...

 

[berkshire mike]

Yup, thats what I'm talking about. 6' 4" grown men with no manners.

 

[Aidensmom]

I can't believe this thread is still going, but....

I have always been taught that if you needed something and didn't ask, that you had no right to complain. And that if you are going to complain about something, to have a possible solution. Otherwise you are just whining.

What may seem obvious to some people (someone else needing a seat), may not be obvious to everyone. We cannot control what other people think or do, but we can control that in ourselves, so if we need something, we need to be the one to bring that fact to light. If we don't ask, the only thing the other person may be guilty of is being unaware.

 

[WDSearcher]

I have always been taught that if you needed something and didn't ask, that you had no right to complain. And that if you are going to complain about something, to have a possible solution. Otherwise you are just whining.

What may seem obvious to some people (someone else needing a seat), may not be obvious to everyone. We cannot control what other people think or do, but we can control that in ourselves, so if we need something, we need to be the one to bring that fact to light. If we don't ask, the only thing the other person may be guilty of is being unaware.

THANK YOU.

We obviously have the same mother, as I was taught the exact same thing.

 

[berkshire mike]

Yup, just stick your head in the sand and pretend you don't see what happening around you.
Seems like the "magic" of Disney disappears the moment you leave the park.

 

[WDSearcher]

Yup, just stick your head in the sand and pretend you don't see what happening around you.
Seems like the "magic" of Disney disappears the moment you leave the park.

HUH?

 

[C.Ann]

Well I'm a fifty-something woman, and I will always give up my seat for someone who may need it UNLESS it happens to be on a day that I'm having my back problem and just want to curl up in a ball and die.. On those days I would prefer to just lay down in FRONT of the bus and let it roll over me.....

While I was in WDW in early April there were a few instances where I was extremely tired (no backache though) so when I saw how crowded the bus was I just waited for another.. Ditto for when my sister arrived as she has physical problems that would prevent her from standing on a moving bus..

 

[Corar]

While I agree that it is common courtesy to give up a seat for someone who apparently needs it, I think it is important to remember that there are many disabilities which are not neccessarily visible. I try to remember that sometimes people who seem to us to be capable of standing may not actually be so, or at least, it may be painful for them to do so- regardless of their age, gender, or size.

I also have found that people usually respond politely when asked to give up a seat.

On a different note, as a twenty-something woman, I feel a bit embarrassed when somebody gives up their seat for me just because I am a woman.

 

[berkshire mike]

What I meant by that is;

I'm a healthy guy and I'm sitting on the bus. The bus is not full and it pulls up to a stop. As the last few people get on the bus it starts to pull away and a lady, elderly, young person is left standing. From what the post says I should just wait for them to ask for my seat? Or just act as if I'm unaware that they are standing right in front of me?

Someday you or someone you love very much, your mother, wife will be elderly. They (you) wouldn't be as strong and agile as they once were. Hopefully the people around them will respect them and be courteous to them.

I can't believe the number of excuses I've heard here. Some have no excuse but simple wouldn't give up "my" seat. People you can do whatever you want but this topic is now my "biggest WDW disappointment".

 

[jarestel]

People you can do whatever you want but this topic is now my "biggest WDW disappointment".

We ( always, never ) give up our seats to others so we can be ( praised, flamed ) by strangers on the internet because it's of ( great, no ) importance to us to be called ( saints, scum ) by other travelers on the information superhighway.

Congratulations, berkshire mike. One of the longer running threads in recent memory. Nice job!

 

[Aidensmom]

What I meant by that is;

I'm a healthy guy and I'm sitting on the bus. The bus is not full and it pulls up to a stop. As the last few people get on the bus it starts to pull away and a lady, elderly, young person is left standing. From what the post says I should just wait for them to ask for my seat? Or just act as if I'm unaware that they are standing right in front of me?

Um, no, no one said everyone should sit on the bus and pretend they don't see anything. While you may be a very attentive and aware person, not everyone is. A lot of people, especially after a long day, may just be off in their own little world and need a little nudge (in the form of a question) to bring them back to this one. They are not pretending anything, and may be very happy to let you have their seat. However, if you don't ask them, they just may never notice, and then you will never have a seat.

Personally, I know sometimes I am so involved in watching and taking care of my son that I couldn't tell you if the rest of the bus was filled with little green men, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't help them out with something if they asked.

 

[berkshire mike]

A lot of people, especially after a long day, may just be off in their own little world and need a little nudge (in the form of a question) to bring them back to this one. /QUOTE]

Hopefully they'll come back, from their little world, in time to get off at their stop.

 

[Aidensmom]

A lot of people, especially after a long day, may just be off in their own little world and need a little nudge (in the form of a question) to bring them back to this one. /QUOTE]

Hopefully they'll come back, from their little world, in time to get off at their stop.

As someone who has driven past the interstate exit they need to get off at on more than one occassion, I can tell you I am sure there are some people who miss their stop!

 

[WDSearcher]

I'm a healthy guy and I'm sitting on the bus. The bus is not full and it pulls up to a stop. As the last few people get on the bus it starts to pull away and a lady, elderly, young person is left standing. From what the post says I should just wait for them to ask for my seat? Or just act as if I'm unaware that they are standing right in front of me?

What I was saying in my post -- can't speak for others -- is that sometimes, people ARE unaware of the world around them. And they honestly may not notice that someone else may need a seat. Haven't you ever gotten on a bus and been thinking about something ... been in your own little world ... and not noticed that the person in front of you needs something? But then someone taps you on the shoulder and you're all, "Oh my gosh, yes, please sit!" I'm not saying that if I'm sitting there, looking directly into the eyes of someone who is obviously struggling under the weight of toddlers or age, that I should wait until they ask before I say, "did you want to sit down?" What I'm saying is that if I'm the person with the toddlers and no one is offering me a seat and I really need it, then it's up to me to say, "Would you mind moving a bit so that I can sit down?"

I don't mean to absolve all people from being polite. What I'm saying is that it's a whole lot better to simply ask for a seat than it is to stand there and glare at people or stew about them not instantly jumping to their feet so that you can sit. You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, you know?

 

[LoveBuzz2]

What I was saying in my post -- can't speak for others -- is that sometimes, people ARE unaware of the world around them. And they honestly may not notice that someone else may need a seat. Haven't you ever gotten on a bus and been thinking about something ... been in your own little world ... and not noticed that the person in front of you needs something? But then someone taps you on the shoulder and you're all, "Oh my gosh, yes, please sit!" I'm not saying that if I'm sitting there, looking directly into the eyes of someone who is obviously struggling under the weight of toddlers or age, that I should wait until they ask before I say, "did you want to sit down?" What I'm saying is that if I'm the person with the toddlers and no one is offering me a seat and I really need it, then it's up to me to say, "Would you mind moving a bit so that I can sit down?"

I don't mean to absolve all people from being polite. What I'm saying is that it's a whole lot better to simply ask for a seat than it is to stand there and glare at people or stew about them not instantly jumping to their feet so that you can sit. You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, you know?

I can see what you are saying! I don't think I could actually ask however. One because it is true that you may not be able to see a reason why they need to sit. If I come on the bus and I'm standing holding my two year old, I just don't search out for who is being "not so nice". I have been offered a seat many times and am happily thankful. If they don't offer...oh well. I don't know them or how they were brought up. I have no idea how they are feeling today. However, I better never see my son or hubby not giving up their seat, God willing they are able.

 

[BostonRob]

I agree with the people espousing car rental. You've got to take care of yourself. If you are not able or not comfortable standing on a bus, then why would you go to WDW without renting a car?

I'm not without compassion. If I'm in a situation like that, I'll give up my seat. For a lot of people, public transportation isn't a choice, its their only option. I understand that. But this is different. Anybody who's on vacation in Disney world can come up with an extra $100 for a car for the week.

So I am disapointed in people that don't have the foresight to take care of their own needs.

 

[MrToad]

Berkshire Mike....

I have given up my seat many times when I was able to. Since our last trip I was in a car accident and I have a lot of back problems now. Would I immediately get up and offer my seat? Maybe...depended on how bad my back hurt at the time and who needed it. From what you have said here I'm sure you would assume the worst of me as well. The truth is...some folks are taught to do this and others are not. Some folks don't do it for other reasons that may not be quite obvious to you.

I guess you can always assume the worst about people if you put your mind to it. If you go through life always assuming and taking things like this personally than you invariably end up miserable with yourself and everyone else around you.