Beat that Dead Horse Fly, Beat it!

After mulling over this thread and similar ones for the past couple of weeks, I think one of the things that really bothers me is the "it's just a game, don't take it seriously". Yes, I think most of us here are agreed that VMK is a game and not real world.

However, I think Fly, Bezoar, and others are keeping in their sights something very pertinent when they voice their concerns. It is a game that children are playing. I know it is easy on the internet to disregard the fact that there are people behind the little avatars in the usual mindset of "Whee, it's the internet wild west. I can say anything I want because it isn't 'real'." Keep in mind that in this particular case, the person behind the avatar may well be a child. A shy child, a scared child, a child who may just be venturing forth to try to interact with others.

Consequently, this cavalier shrug of "it's just a game" is rather disturbing to me since the ones who suffer from it are the ones we should be most concerned about protecting. If you feel that it is "just a game", okay. But don't impose that view on everyone else who may not be mature enough to make the distinction. Callousness is never desireable.

Fly, Bezoar, myself and others have genuine concerns regarding the perception of this game and the players and the ones who develop it. I don't think any of us are complaining about not receiving goodies or having "special" people on our friends lists because we feel left out. I believe it has more to do with the disappointment of a child that we have witnessed. Certainly, the game is in its infancy. But, this country was created out of the belief in a right to dissent, to point out flaws, to try to make things better by constructive criticism.

Those who created this lovely little world are artists, yes. But they are also programmers who, I'm sure, know as well as I do that the code can always be a little bit better; the application can be fine-tuned; the event can be handled more judiciously. If even one guest is unhappy, disappointed, discouraged, feels left out...then there is a flaw and it needs to be corrected. If these flaws are not brought to their attention via the very guests who play, then they may not be aware of them and will not address them.
 
I think we are talking about two different things. Nobody is saying these things should not be corrected or made better. What I am saying is that when it starts to affect your real life self image or your real life emotions you need to think about clicking on the the red x and walking away
 
Well Alex, I believe these are the two things I was trying to get at...but with a bit more emphasis on what bevgray had to say. The game isn't negatively affecting my self-image despite what my original post might suggest to you while you read it. If anything I'm concerned about the actions taken by others and what could be farther reaching consequences. I think bevgray hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to say about it.

What's nice about the game, is that it's a sort of Disney-inspired community that can very well mimic real life. To me, it's less of "game." I see it as almost a grand Disney-fied social experiment, because the bulk of the game isn't actual point driven games, but the friendships and connections you can make in the game. Because Disney put the emphasis on social interaction, I believe there should be things done to make sure even the most vunerable person out there can't be hurt by things in the game. Because honestly, there will be people who will be hurt in the "game."
 
Friendships? These are supposed to be totally anonymous, created characters, I thought. How can you make 'friends' with cartoons? And, if you seek real world 'connections', you're stalking!
 

Again, I feel that this is being taken way too seriously. :sad2: I am not insulting or trying to pick you apart, Fly, but feel that you need a break from the game. I know how I used to get with a particular forum I was on when I was your age and it really can affect you emotionally if you let it...especially during summer vacation when there is little to do.

It seems that this is really consuming your thoughts. Don't let it. Go read a book or go outside. You definitely need a break. :badpc:
 
ScroogesNephew said:
Friendships? These are supposed to be totally anonymous, created characters, I thought. How can you make 'friends' with cartoons? And, if you seek real world 'connections', you're stalking!

The majority of the people I "know" from the DIS, I've met through VMK. Behind each "cartoon" is a real person. Anonymity does not diminish that.
 
*NikkiBell* said:
Again, I feel that this is being taken way too seriously. :sad2: I am not insulting or trying to pick you apart, Fly, but feel that you need a break from the game. I know how I used to get with a particular forum I was on when I was your age and it really can affect you emotionally if you let it...especially during summer vacation when there is little to do.

It seems that this is really consuming your thoughts. Don't let it. Go read a book or go outside. You definitely need a break. :badpc:


This is being a little presumptuous. I feel pretty much the same as Fly and I'm 28. Are you going to tell me what I need to do, too? Just so you know, Fly is actually very busy this summer. He's in an international orchestra that practices daily for the first half of the day. Aside from that, he tries to practice at least a few hours every day. Also, he has tried to cut back from the game as well (straight from his mouth not an hour ago) and not because of what you or anybody else is telling him to do. He's smart enough to realize when he needs to take a step back without help.

So just leave him alone, okay? He doesn't need to be told what to do by someone he doesn't know. If you don't agree with him, fine, but it's not necessary to impose your beliefs upon him. Just state you disagree and move on.
 
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*NikkiBell* said:
Again, I feel that this is being taken way too seriously. :sad2: I am not insulting or trying to pick you apart, Fly, but feel that you need a break from the game. I know how I used to get with a particular forum I was on when I was your age and it really can affect you emotionally if you let it...especially during summer vacation when there is little to do.

It seems that this is really consuming your thoughts. Don't let it. Go read a book or go outside. You definitely need a break. :badpc:

I think Fly said he realized this in a previous post, didn't he? He is merely stating his viewpoint, and letting off some steam. He knows he needs to deal with it in his own way, and I have confidence that he will. :cheer2:

ScroogesNephew said:
Friendships? These are supposed to be totally anonymous, created characters, I thought. How can you make 'friends' with cartoons? And, if you seek real world 'connections', you're stalking!

Wow. You mean to tell me you have NEVER made friends or any sort of "connection" with somebody you might have talked with on a message board, or game, or though email? Someone whom you have never met (and probably never will) face to face? That is too bad. I have met some great people on the net--including several in vmk--and most (if not all of them) I have never met IRL. I wouldn't consider that stalking! You need to lighten up a bit! LOL :earboy2:
 
As both of you are friends of his, I can understand wanting to come to his defense. However, I never was rude or presumptious. He asked opinions...I gave. I never told him what to do, but related an experience I have had and thought would help.

Also, I never bothered him or hounded him with advice. Telling me to leave him alone is uncalled for. If one is posting something on a message board and asking opinions, they are going to get them. Don't fault myself or other for replying.

Relax. :sunny:
 
*NikkiBell* said:
As both of you are friends of his, I can understand wanting to come to his defense. However, I never was rude or presumptious. He asked opinions...I gave. I never told him what to do, but related an experience I have had and thought would help.

Also, I never bothered him or hounded him with advice. Telling me to leave him alone is uncalled for. If one is posting something on a message board and asking opinions, they are going to get them. Don't fault myself or other for replying.

Relax. :sunny:

I did not say you were rude, nor did I tell you to leave him alone. I also did not fault you for replying.
And, I am relaxed, thanks!
 
Well let's just say I haven't responded yet because I've been out doing other things like reading a book outside! :p (I'm reading 1984 right now and was listening to a recording of The Marriage of Figaro, what can I say I LOVE opera!)

I understand where NikkiBell and ScroogesNephew are coming from and I appreciate their advice, but the truth is I'm totally fine. As GBShorts and pixiepal have said (2 of my best friends on VMK, btw) I have been scaling back on my VMK time and been delving into the rich world of music for a little longer than I was. I kind of have to when I'm working on a full progam for that International Orchestra (Playing...Mozart: Symphony 40, Mozart: Overture to The Marriage of Fiagro, and Beethoven: Overture to Egmont) and enough solo material on the piano and clarinet to put on almost a full recital. Not to mention that I've neglected my flute for a couple of weeks.

VMK hasn't taken over my life and if you're read my posts that's what I've been trying to communicate. And if anything I'm not letting effect me emotionally. I know people (like on the Fan Site) have said they're cried because someone was going to quit the game. I've never had any sort of reaction to anyone through VMK and I don't let it control my thoughts. I think Mozart, Beethoven, Mayer, Rozsa, and Gershwin are controlling me right now.
ScroogesNephew said:
Friendships? These are supposed to be totally anonymous, created characters, I thought. How can you make 'friends' with cartoons? And, if you seek real world 'connections', you're stalking!
Well, I think "totally anonymous, created characters" are robots like SmarterChild on AIM or the NPC characters on VMK. The people walking around VMK are aren't created characters. They're are actual people all around the country sitting behind their computers communicating through VMK. I've been able to meet SpinMarty (another VMK player and an awesome guy) in person during Disneyland's 50th and found out I was just feet away from pixiepal that day too. I couldn't meet up with her because of the hour long line at the River Belle Terrace that day for lunch.

Anyways, to me these "characters" are real people who have real feelings that I can interact with through the medium of VMK. It's like saying the people in a chat room or chatting to friends on AIM are just "created characters." I don't think they are, and I wouldn't think you would describe yourself as a "created character" as you're putting a piece of your personality into your writing on Dis and on VMK.

I mean here on Dis there's an entire forum dedicated to setting up to meeting up with other Dis'ers. Are we all not real people until we meet in person...and when we do meet in person are we stalkers?

Now if you don't mind...I've spent my allotted 20 minutes of Dis time. I'm off to practice some more! :)
 
JeanJoe said:
The majority of the people I "know" from the DIS, I've met through VMK. Behind each "cartoon" is a real person. Anonymity does not diminish that.

Well, I think you're fooling yourself to some extent. Yes, 'real' people drive the cybertrons, but are they always who they say they are? Perhaps sometimes, many times not. This is a world of true anonymity, and if you believe what you read, you're gullible. Except me, of course. I'm 100% for real.
 
pixiepal53 said:
Wow. You mean to tell me you have NEVER made friends or any sort of "connection" with somebody you might have talked with on a message board, or game, or though email? Someone whom you have never met (and probably never will) face to face? That is too bad. I have met some great people on the net--including several in vmk--and most (if not all of them) I have never met IRL. I wouldn't consider that stalking! You need to lighten up a bit! LOL :earboy2:

Oh my, I agree with Donald. I've never actually MET anyone on these things so how do I know that any of you are who you say you are? It's just too easy to lie, enhance, etc. And I think it's YOU who needs to lighten up! Donald sounds like he's got it totally together!
 
PTFlea said:
Oh my, I agree with Donald. I've never actually MET anyone on these things so how do I know that any of you are who you say you are? It's just too easy to lie, enhance, etc. And I think it's YOU who needs to lighten up! Donald sounds like he's got it totally together!

I just don't think this is the best way to go about this problem. Yes, there will be people on VMK who are creeps...but that shouldn't stop you from having a good time and talking with them. Staying smart and withholding personal information is all, imho, is the best plan.

I don't think pixiepal needs to lighten up, it's just that she's a little more trusting with the VMK community. If anything we're just refuting the statement that everyone on VMK and on these forums are just "created characters." In our opinion the little collections of pixels aren't just "created characters" they're real people who if you open up a little bit to...you can make great friends with. :) Try to see things from our perspective...you might find that we do have some good ideas! ;)
 
PTFlea said:
Oh my, I agree with Donald. I've never actually MET anyone on these things so how do I know that any of you are who you say you are? It's just too easy to lie, enhance, etc. And I think it's YOU who needs to lighten up! Donald sounds like he's got it totally together!

Call me a "glass is half full person"...you would be the other! I am not stupid, dearie. Just don't want to spend my life thinking everyone is evil. If you think that is not "totally together", well, then, I feel bad for you if you go through life a pessimist. And are you sure it's me who needs to lighten up? I am not the one who thinks EVERYONE I meet on the net is a mass murderer!!
 
Everyone please relax now. This is turning into a big argument.

Moderators, please close this mess! :sad2:
 
NikkiBell, I think the discussion is going into quite unexpected directions, but I think we're all raising good ideas about VMK. If anything there were a couple inflammatory comments, but I think the good outweighs the bad if we can steer this topic back in a good direction. Again we're witnessing the "My way or the highway" disputes which troubled me on the Fan Site...mainly because they always turned healthy debate into a flame-fest and ultimately into a closed thread.

I would love to see the discussion continues, but then again, that may be the crazy clarinetist in me talking again! :p
 
I changed my mind. I will be a good girl today. :)
 
I know some of you are not that famaliar with the Dis...

We will close a thread or delete a post for direct personal attacks, there are some borderline ones here but nothing really bad especially since the original poster is ok with it....
 
No harm, no foul! A good, lively discussion is a great passtime, especially between entities! Real OR imagined . . .
 














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