Beach Club Villas direct pricing has reached its breakeven point

One could argue that when 2042 approaches fairly many of the DVC resorts expires like BRV, BWV, BCV, HHI, VB, OKW(not extended), DVC needs a "game plan". With that many resorts being removed from inventory that calls for some sort of game plan to level out the impact. The plan could be to just offer an 15 year extention like with OKW, or it could be to offer smaller extensions for like 2,4,6 years depending on the resort. That way you would have one resort expiring in 2042, the next in 44, next in 46 and on wards.

I think we’re talking about two separate things. My point was DVC has little concern over demand for BCV when their focus is selling Copper Creek. In fact, the price increases for BCV, Poly and others seem solely designed to boost interest in CCV and future “new” properties.

Down the road, I doubt DVC intends to dump access to the likes of BWV, BCV and VWL(BRV) unless it’s part of some resort-specific redevelopment program. The 700-ish combined villas at those locations is not a massive number. Come 2040, they can “extend” millions of points by re-selling 50 year contracts to current owners. Then they’ll be offered to new buyers.

Today, the number of unsold points at CCV and Aulani isn’t all that much different than BCV, BWV and BRV combined.

Also, higher resale justifies higher direct sale prices for new resorts. Why would anybody buy Riviera for $200 when they could get BCV for $60? When BCV resale is $140, thouth, it looks quite a bit more reasonable.

What you describe is an inevitability, though. Extensions merely kick that can down the road. Not everyone would extend—especially at the prices that DVC chooses—and DVC will be stuck trying to market millions of points on short contracts.

(Regarding prices, when the OKW extension was first offered in 2009-ish, the present value of those added years was calculated to be around $7-8 per point. DVC asked $15 and later $25 per point for the 15 years. Nearly a decade later, OKW owners will be lucky to get their original $15 extension fee back when selling a 2057 contract.)
 
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The issue with BCV is that it was initially the worst value per year, so growing at the same rate still makes it a poor economic value. It really needs to be a passion purchase, not one made with the intent to save money over time.

If one is passionate about the Beach Club, he can book the hotel at any time. Buying DVC makes sense only if the numbers are right. With the end of contract approaching and price going up, the convenience is smaller and one has to consider the other factors of owning DVC. Is the discount worth it, given that you're giving up daily housekeeping, rooms refreshed more often, much better views, the flexibility to book whenever you want without dealing with fall madness or even not booking at all?
 
If one is passionate about the Beach Club, he can book the hotel at any time. Buying DVC makes sense only if the numbers are right. With the end of contract approaching and price going up, the convenience is smaller and one has to consider the other factors of owning DVC. Is the discount worth it, given that you're giving up daily housekeeping, rooms refreshed more often, much better views, the flexibility to book whenever you want without dealing with fall madness or even not booking at all?
Numbers do not rule the world however. I'm a scientist, so I greatly love data and analyzing data. If all decisions were based on numbers, we should never go to WDW in the first place. WDW is incredibly expensive, but it is the passion and emotion that brings most people to the parks and resorts. There are only so many places where all the cares on the world can disappear and WDW is one of those places. You can't place a numerical value on that experience, much like you can't place a numerical value on the emotional experience my family has when we are at the Beach Club. I would argue buying DVC rarely makes "number sense."
 
Another thing is that when DVC is selling new resorts as part of the pitch they tell you you can "always" switch resort at 7 months. If 5½(OKW partially expiring) resorts is removed from inventory due to expiration the sell is gonna be harder. New resorts will ofc come before 2042 but if people are used to have ie. 20 resorts to choose from and suddenly only have 14½ then its a problem.

But remember, when those 2042 resorts go "offline", so do all those points owned by members. Demand will be less on those 14½ remaining resorts. Expect Disney to immediately begin reselling BCV and BWV, starting with a special offer to existing BCV and BWV members with "pre-expiration pricing", in January 2041.
 

Numbers do not rule the world however. I'm a scientist, so I greatly love data and analyzing data. If all decisions were based on numbers, we should never go to WDW in the first place. WDW is incredibly expensive, but it is the passion and emotion that brings most people to the parks and resorts. There are only so many places where all the cares on the world can disappear and WDW is one of those places. You can't place a numerical value on that experience, much like you can't place a numerical value on the emotional experience my family has when we are at the Beach Club. I would argue buying DVC rarely makes "number sense."

I have not purchased a DVC contract to save money overall, but to upgrade my experience when staying in WDW. At around the cost of staying in a value resort, I can now stay in a Deluxe (I purchased SSR for $50 pp). Also, I go to WDW more often, so I am actually giving the mouse more money than before. But it's ok, that was always the plan.
That's the same when people buy DVC for studios and end adding points to stay in 1beds or 2beds. They are actually paying more than before, when they used to stay in an hotel room. But they are getting more value.

This thread is about the difference between DVC and paying cash for a similar room being squeezed to the point that the difference is very small. Buying DVC and ending spending the same amount of money that you would paying cash, it's just a bad idea. Or even if the discount is not big enough that it doesn't justify accepting the drawbacks.

You can have the same emotional experience staying at the Beach Club if paying cash.
 
I have not purchased a DVC contract to save money overall, but to upgrade my experience when staying in WDW. At around the cost of staying in a value resort, I can now stay in a Deluxe (I purchased SSR for $50 pp). Also, I go to WDW more often, so I am actually giving the mouse more money than before. But it's ok, that was always the plan.
That's the same when people buy DVC for studios and end adding points to stay in 1beds or 2beds. They are actually paying more than before, when they used to stay in an hotel room. But they are getting more value.

This thread is about the difference between DVC and paying cash for a similar room being squeezed to the point that the difference is very small. Buying DVC and ending spending the same amount of money that you would paying cash, it's just a bad idea. Or even if the discount is not big enough that it doesn't justify accepting the drawbacks.

You can have the same emotional experience staying at the Beach Club if paying cash.

As long as you are buying direct only, I agree - avoid it. Resale purchases still contain some value, though. Not tons, but 30-40% off of current hotel rates. You are exchanging the savings for locking in to stay there no matter what life throws at you, but that is a pretty decent savings. Not worth it at all if you are only saving 10% or so in my mind though.
 
Our BLT points will probably end up being our "sleep around" points. We do go in the late summer fairly often, and openings for 1BR and up are pretty available at BWV and BCV. And that's when we'd want to go to BCV for the pool, anyway. Although we didn't plan on owning 2 MK resorts, I would be more than happy to be "stuck" at them for NYE or F&W. F&W isn't really a possibility for us, anyway, unless they start it earlier and we work a few days into our late summer trips - kids are still small, we can't pull them out of school, and there's no one to watch them if we wanted to take a grownups trip.

We are going to BCV for a long weekend in October with kids and 2 other families with kids. While we won’t be drinking tons, I feel like I can have a glass or two of wine per day during F&W and still enjoy the parks. I’m not a huge drinker, so it isn’t a big sacrifice for me. I think you should bring your kids too, and we can all go and have a ball. :dancer::drinking1party:
 
We are going to BCV for a long weekend in October with kids and 2 other families with kids. While we won’t be drinking tons, I feel like I can have a glass or two of wine per day during F&W and still enjoy the parks. I’m not a huge drinker, so it isn’t a big sacrifice for me. I think you should bring your kids too, and we can all go and have a ball. :dancer::drinking1party:

A little off topic, but here's a free tip. If the park is unusually quiet, do not drink multiple yards and other hard liquor at the UK pavilion and then ride test track 3 times in a row without getting off. Bad things can happen (or so I've heard..... :rolleyes1)
 
I'd say that applies to just about any DVC timeshare contract, or any other luxury purchase for that matter. As a respectable cheapskate (I call myself a "saver" but DW would probably beg to differ ;)), the idea of spending tens of thousands of dollars on DVC contracts as a way to "save money" seems rather silly. The only way to save money is to not buy a contract at all! So, if I'm going to spend that kind of money on what's merely a luxury purchase, it's going to be what I want, not just what I can live with. Instead of dropping nearly $40K, I could have spent about $32K on the same number of SSR points instead in order to "save money". However, no way am I going to spend $32K to stress and hope that I can grab a BCV room during F&W or NYE right at 8am at the 7 month mark. As for the earlier expiration, when 2042 arrives I'll decide what to do then. For now, I'll see you all poolside!

All that said, to each his/her own. :)

Remember when @pangyal was flipping BCV contracts for less than $100???? I'd love to have a time machine right now.
 
Heh, only @TexasChick123 has totally done better than me on the BLT front! And last fall - as BLT prices kept going up... we got VGF for $135 - when I see 2042 resorts asking that, I just smh.

it's crazy that the spread between VGF and BCV has more or less closed to a few dollars per point. It's hard for me to understand why resale for BCV would be the same price as VGF when you get almost twice the lifespan with VGF and a much nicer resort.

Don't get me wrong, I love BCV (own there) and I love F&W...but paying the same amount for those points is insane to me.
 
Were you as green as a martian???? my wife said I was.
I actually didn’t come close to losing containment.


It was my first time riding it, and with all the warnings in the Pre-show and queue I started to get a little nervous. That first take-off sequence was definitely more intense than I was expecting.
 
I didn't lose my dinner but it was my last ride for the evening and I passed on desert after the ride.
 
Remember when @pangyal was flipping BCV contracts for less than $100???? I'd love to have a time machine right now.

I think @pangyal bought a double-loaded one for like $110 or $115, stripped 3 years worth of points, and sold for $99. Pretty good deal for a few big trips IMHO. (Although I think she lives there full time now with all those points...)
 
Remember when @pangyal was flipping BCV contracts for less than $100???? I'd love to have a time machine right now.

I think @pangyal bought a double-loaded one for like $110 or $115, stripped 3 years worth of points, and sold for $99. Pretty good deal for a few big trips IMHO. (Although I think she lives there full time now with all those points...)


You are both correct! Bought for $110, sold for $99...so while it was under $100, that unfortunately was not the price I paid ;).

But we used 1050 points off that contract. Those were the days...
 















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