Be careful what you wish for (Contemporary DVC)

[disney junky]

I've been thinking a lot about this too. I've stayed at SSR and BWV (home). I think the novelty of CRV would be nice, but I don't think that I would add on there. I've stayed at CR a couple times and as much as I love the monorail, I don't think that it would be all that much of a selling point for me anyway. We were at BW in July, crowded as I've ever seen it, and I found myself on the occasions where I had a choice, taking the boats whenever possible from TTC to MK. I've grown to love the walk to Epcot and MGM from BW, and if I don't feel like walking I'll take the boats. And it's so quiet. Does anyone else think that this could contribute to overcrowding? When you build up, you have a lot more people per square foot than if you build out. When the plans were posted, my wife asked my if I'd like to add on, and suddenly, seeing it looking more like a skyscraper than anything else, it lost its appeal to me. IMO.

 

[spiceycat]

walking to Epcot and Studio is nice.

but walking to the MK - hey that is DISNEY....

no, this resort will sell out. even if the points are more - alot more - which is what I am expecting.

I certainly think the points will be higher than BCV and VWL - it has a better location. Which is why the points are higher at BWV (or what I got told - than OKW).

Imagnation at the end of a long night instead of having to wait on the ferry, monrail or bus - you can just walk over to your resort after MK closes....

yes that is what BWV and BCV have now with illiuinations and Fantasmic but most people really prefer the MK....

VWL is fine - but you must take a boat or bus back to your resort....

walking or the monrail is much, much better (my opinion)

 

[madonna31]

I do believe that the new DVC resorts (both CR and AKL) will have higher points

Currently rooms at the AKL and WL cost the exact same price.

That would lead me to believe that VAKL and VWL would be the same 'cost' of points as well...

 

[spiceycat]

Currently rooms at the AKL and WL cost the exact same price.

That would lead me to believe that VAKL and VWL would be the same 'cost' of points as well...

the difference would be the view - if Dvc resorts get the savannah view -it will definitely be more than the woods view (most of VWL).

now not all of the views needs be savannah view - just look at preferred view at BWV - some of it is great others well I get standard view for a reason.

as far as SSR not being as much bang for the buck... hey that is why their points are lower than BCV, BWV and VWL.

I happen to love OKW - it is still our favorite of all the DVC resorts. I really believe that many people will love SSR and made it their favorite. Some people might not even be tempted to stay at the other resorts.

SSR is a mind set. It is a beautiful resort. by far the fancier of the DVC resorts. which is what made some BCV owners mad. They though their resort should be the best. But grandmother cottage can't compare to a horse owner mansion...

A lot of work, money and creative went into SSR. Don't doubt its ability to attract.

Now it doesn't appeal to me. I like lay back and relaxed so I love OKW. but I am in the minority.

 

[madonna31]

if Dvc resorts get the savannah view

*if* they get savannah view.

Other then that, to me AKL doesn't have anything to offer, it's way too FAR from everything for my liking.

 

[salmoneous]

walking to Epcot and Studio is nice.

but walking to the MK - hey that is DISNEY.... <snip>

I certainly think the points will be higher than BCV and VWL - it has a better location.

This is exactly what I thought, until I took a look at the rack rate for CR vs BC/BWI. The walk-to-Epcot resorts are more expensive for approximately the same room than the walk-to-MK resort. Now, there are a buch of other differences so its not an exact comparison, but I'm not so sure the CRV's location is more desirable than BCV or BWV.

 

[momofprincess]

I just now learned about the contemporary resort. What are VAKL, VCR and AKL?

 

[Barnum01]

Post deleted due to my own lack of understanding.

 

[Sammie]

I know there are a few very vocal people on this forum not satisfied with SSR, but to say that most SSR owners are not satisfied I think is a huge comment to make without facts to support the clainm.

We are at SSR right now and I can honestly say I could care less to ever stay anywhere but here. I have not met a single person here this week that feels any different.

If one does not care for SSR that is certainly fine, but to try and speak for others is off base.

The DIS is a very small percentage of DVCers and guests that visit Disney World and those members and guests don't even any thought to what worries so many here.

 

[madonna31]

If one does not care for SSR that is certainly fine, but to try and speak for others is off base.

Well said Sammie! And I certainly trust that they are not speaking for me.

We have stayed at BWV, HH, BCV and SSR. Our least favourite of those we've stayed at? Beach Club Villas. So least that we will never, ever stay there again. In fact, I'd much rather stay at Port Orleans Riverside.

Different strokes...

 

[SuzanneSLO]

I think that current DVC members may suffer if the average point value for VCR is higher than at BWV, VWL or BCV. This is because the number of points sold at each resort is the product of the number of rooms available multiplied by the average number of points for each unit.

So if there are 200 studio rooms and the average points for a studio is 15, then DVC can sell 1,095,000 points at that resort for that kind of room. If the average points for a studio is 20, then Disney can sell the same 1,095,000 points even if there are only 150 studio rooms at that resort.

So you have more points looking to book fewer rooms, with some of those rooms being more expensive than others. I see this as a problem in the making and hope that DVC avoids it altogether by not having a substantially different pricing schedule for VCR.

-- Suzanne

 

[Dean]

I think that current DVC members may suffer if the average point value for VCR is higher than at BWV, VWL or BCV. This is because the number of points sold at each resort is the product of the number of rooms available multiplied by the average number of points for each unit.

So if there are 200 studio rooms and the average points for a studio is 15, then DVC can sell 1,095,000 points at that resort for that kind of room. If the average points for a studio is 20, then Disney can sell the same 1,095,000 points even if there are only 150 studio rooms at that resort.

So you have more points looking to book fewer rooms, with some of those rooms being more expensive than others. I see this as a problem in the making and hope that DVC avoids it altogether by not having a substantially different pricing schedule for VCR.

-- Suzanne

Even if it were double, there'd be little overall effect for this type of resort simply because the demand in would exceed the likelihood of the members there trading out. Besides, it'd only be the 7 months window that would be an issue and it would not affect members reserving at their home resort.

 

[Mississippian]

Even if it were double, there'd be little overall effect for this type of resort simply because the demand in would exceed the likelihood of the members there trading out. Besides, it'd only be the 7 months window that would be an issue and it would not affect members reserving at their home resort.

Dean,
If the point price is double, let me assure you that people will buy into VCR to get first dibs on rooms, or because it is the only game in town, and then use their points to snap up cheap rooms at the DVC I resorts at the 7-month window. Too high a point price will do further harm to the system.

Did I misread your post?

 

[LIFERBABE]

the difference would be the view - if Dvc resorts get the savannah view -it will definitely be more than the woods view (most of VWL).

now not all of the views needs be savannah view - just look at preferred view at BWV - some of it is great others well I get standard view for a reason.

as far as SSR not being as much bang for the buck... hey that is why their points are lower than BCV, BWV and VWL.

I happen to love OKW - it is still our favorite of all the DVC resorts. I really believe that many people will love SSR and made it their favorite. Some people might not even be tempted to stay at the other resorts.

SSR is a mind set. It is a beautiful resort. by far the fancier of the DVC resorts. which is what made some BCV owners mad. They though their resort should be the best. But grandmother cottage can't compare to a horse owner mansion...

A lot of work, money and creative went into SSR. Don't doubt its ability to attract.

Now it doesn't appeal to me. I like lay back and relaxed so I love OKW. but I am in the minority.

Great Post Spicey!! SSR is a mind set. That is why it is one of my favorites.
The only reason CR was cheaper, was because of its age and condition. With a stellar new building and upgraded amenities, it will be hard to beat. Plus many are comparing rack for the wing units, not the tower.
The wings were never comparable.

I disagree that people will pay a premium to purchase CRV and then primarily stay at DVC I resorts. First, they will have the 7 month window to contend with. How can they snap up anything but whats left at 7 months and why does it matter how one uses their points at 7 months?
It is no longer your home at 7 months, it is everyones home. That is the way the system has been established.

For those that just want their foot in the door, there is always resale, for those that purchase CRV, sure they will want to try the other resorts, but who says they will love it as much as some do? CRV will be cutting edge, remember, DVC has to compete with Bonnet Creek now. They are going to have to WOW those that take the tour with BC. I'd rather walk to MK than EPcot or MGM any day, especially with my children. How magical is that? And it was magical and we were in the wings.
I think CRV will hold its own, and command a loyal following.

 

[Mississippian]

I disagree that people will pay a premium to purchase CRV and then primarily stay at DVC I resorts. First, they will have the 7 month window to contend with. How can they snap up anything but whats left at 7 months and why does it matter how one uses their points at 7 months?
It is no longer your home at 7 months, it is everyones home. That is the way the system has been established.

First of all, people are not setting out on an evil scheme to buy a bunch of points at VCR and then use them on other resorts. I just pointed out that if the point chart is set too high, it will have the effect of devaluing the other resorts, since people will make rational economic choices.

I happen to HATE the 7-month window. I think it should be more like 2 months. But that's part of DVC, although I'd like to see it changed. BUT, my point is that the point charts should be designed so that ideally at two months out there will be EQUAL availability at ALL resorts. Right now if you call at two months you are likely to be stuck off in that resort which can't be named.

 

[Dean]

Dean,
If the point price is double, let me assure you that people will buy into VCR to get first dibs on rooms, or because it is the only game in town, and then use their points to snap up cheap rooms at the DVC I resorts at the 7-month window. Too high a point price will do further harm to the system.

Did I misread your post?

It adds extra points to the system, no doubt. My points was it's only the 7 month window that's affected. IF they can't get what they want at the 7 month window, which is becoming more difficult even now, they will not trade out OR will trade privately with other members. I cannot imagine a high enough point differential that would create a negative point flow (more used out than in) for those that own there.

While it wouldn't bother me if the 7 month window were changed to 2 months (11/2), I think it would kill almost all options for most people. Simply to close to potential travel and at the same time that breakage inventory is going to cash reservations. While workable for those that own on property who can make the same time at their home resort, it would be especially difficult for VB and HH owners and those wanting to stay at those resorts as well.

 

[rayelias]

I can definately see how a substantially higher point cost would devalue the points at the other DVC resorts.

With all the speculation running rampant, has anyone researched the actual DVC contracts to see what, legally, DVC *can* change? I understand that the windows can change. What else.

As important, does anyone know what, if any, differences there are in the DVC contracts over the years? Does a 1998 OKW contract differ from a BWV contract and does that differ with an SSR contract? One would speculate that DVC operations, with time and experience, and when planning for future resorts, may have altered the contracts knowing what was to come - some legal pre-planning.

Are there differences?

 

[SuzanneSLO]

Also, it is no sure thing that rooms at VCR would rent for a premium -- substantial or otherwise -- over BCV, VWL or BWV. Disney rents rooms out at these resorts all the time and values the view rooms at YC, BC and BW by placing a higher price on them than the view rooms at the Cont. It harder to compare with WL because of the difference in room size and occupancy.

The problem with pricing DVC rooms is that, when they are sold, the price is essentially set in stone. I think it is unlikely that Disney will tinker much with the VCR room rates on points in light of historical demand for the various resorts.

Of course, time will tell.

-- Suzanne

 

[spiceycat]

First of all, people are not setting out on an evil scheme to buy a bunch of points at VCR and then use them on other resorts. I just pointed out that if the point chart is set too high, it will have the effect of devaluing the other resorts, since people will make rational economic choices.

do you know the number of people who post here that stay in a 2-bedroom villa with less than 4 people now.....

if they think VCR will be better - then you better believe they will be staying there...

DVC will made it better.

just look at SSR - they only used the best stuff...

 

[snowbunny]

It's kind of funny that some of us (including me) who were annoyed about the rule change regarding transfers [YES it's a change we bought in 2005] have now put that completely out of our minds in order to salivate over Contemporary Villas...