BCV vs. BWV poll

[WDW JKL]

Do you think BWV has an advantage or is worth more(however minimal) because of the Standard View option?

In an attempt to weed out any bias, I separated BCV/BWV owners from others.

Options:
BCV Owners Only - Yes
BCV Owners Only - No
BWV Owners Only - Yes
BWV Owners Only - No
Others - Yes
Others - No

 

[robinb]

We recently had the opportunity to buy a BWV resale. The primary reason we went for BWV is the standard view point structure.

 

[EROS]

We've been BWV members for 5 years and have always used Standard Option to maximally utilize our points. I book day-by-day at 11 months out without difficulty. We spend little time in our room during our stays, so view is insignificant for us. .....

 

[Lisa F]

I'm a BWV owner and I said yes. We did try out BCV but were overlooking the parking lot on the end of the building. I have to say that my "standard view" room at BWV has always had a nicer view than that one. IMO you can get a comperable view at the BW for fewer points.

Lisa

 

[wdw4us]

personally, i PREFER the standard view. If we are in the rooms near the elevator and high up, my daughter and I like to sit out on the balcony and snoop at the comings and goings in the drive. To us it is a Preferred view at a Standard rate.

 

[Dean]

As a BWV and OKW owner, I said no. The reason is you asked about the value and I think it's pretty much of a wash. Currently BCV is going to be higher because it's really only available from DVC and is newer. The BW advanatage is the location and standard view options. I think these balance out at the present time but feel that in the end, BWV will be worth more, maybe in 8-10 years or so.

 

[KNWVIKING]

"maximally" ......

Is that a word ?????

 

[ILuvDVC]

I own at both BW and BCV (and OKW and HH). I just got back from trying out the Beach Club and I can't believe they do not have a standard view point chart! There really are no views at the Beach Club! And I find the Standard view at the BW much more acceptable than what is at the Beach Club. Two of my friends were lucky enough to be overlooking a very busy highway! They were not impressed, nothing like road noise to make you sleep at night.

I had a pool view....but, I had a light outside my unit, on my balcony, that was on all the time. I hated that! I love to spend time on the porch and relax, but I like sitting out there in the dark, it keeps the bugs down. I tried to sit out there for a little bit, but the light overhead was so bright :-(. Also, it seemed like I had a night light on all night long! The first night, staying there, I kept waking up thinking it was morning.

Beach Club is very close to the opening of EPCOT and I loved that

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Perhaps I am missing something here...Why would BWV be worth more because some rooms require lower points? If people were to pay more for BWV, that would negate the advantage of the lower points....right? In other words: When buying a resale, why would you pay more dollars per point in order to use less points? The total amount spent for the vacation would cost the same, as you would need less points, but would pay more dollars per point. I am not sure if I expressed that clearly. I'll try it one more way: 10 pts at $20/pt costs $200.....20 pts at $10/pt costs $200.

 

[PKS44]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Perhaps I am missing something here...Why would BWV be worth more because some rooms require lower points? If people were to pay more for BWV, that would negate the advantage of the lower points....right? In other words: When buying a resale, why would you pay more dollars per point in order to use less points? The total amount spent for the vacation would cost the same, as you would need less points, but would pay more dollars per point. I am not sure if I expressed that clearly. I'll try it one more way: 10 pts at $20/pt costs $200.....20 pts at $10/pt costs $200.

This is backwards logic...if you buy 150 points contract at each place right now the BCV is going to be the more expensive contract-$84/pt compared to BWV resales in the $65-$70/pt range..but you will get to stay more days or in bigger rooms given the standard view schedule at BWV--thus (IF Stormalong Bay has NO VALUE to you) the BWV is worth more than the BCV...that makes more sense to me than what Maistre Gracey came up with.

Paul

 

[Maistre Gracey]

PKS, I believe the question was for the future resale price of both places. If you are willing to pay more per point at BWV, you have indeed just negated the advantage of the standard view villas.

 

[Richyams]

I think that the argument can be made, although I don't agree with it, that a point spent at BWV returns roughly the same value as a point spent at OKW. Some people believe that BWV location makes up for its tiny units, OK, I guess I can almost buy that.

Since the average point per night at BWV is lower than BCV and BCV and BWV have basically the same location, the average point spent at BWV returns more value than a point spent at BCV.

VWL???

I don't get it, it has the same tiny units and no 'location' value. While there are going to be poeple who just love the feel of VWL and would stay no where else for nothing at all, by strict appraisel standards, a point spent at VWL certainly returns less value than a point spent anywhere else.

I was shocked to see the VWL point schedule the same as the others.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by Richyams

...Since the average point per night at BWV is lower than BCV and BCV and BWV have basically the same location, the average point spent at BWV returns more value than a point spent at BCV....

This statement makes sense....sort of. Is it REALLY worth more if you are looking at a parking lot? Answer...it depends on the individual. I personally would say the BWV point yeilded less value because there are more parking lot views. For some, the view is secondary and would disagree.

 

[Dean]

The differences would be that BWV has better views overall and is closer to the action. Also one could buy less points and even if they gave slightly more per point, could have less invested. True, the differences are subtle for most.

 

[Granny]

Originally posted by Richyams

VWL???

I don't get it, it has the same tiny units and no 'location' value. While there are going to be poeple who just love the feel of VWL and would stay no where else for nothing at all, by strict appraisel standards, a point spent at VWL certainly returns less value than a point spent anywhere else.

I was shocked to see the VWL point schedule the same as the others.

Richyams....well, I don't know how VWL got dragged into a BWV/BCV comparison, but since you've "gone there", I guess someone should point out that VWL has...

...the best theming at WDW...second to none

...a nice pool that's too inconvenient to get to for pool hoppers so we get to keep it all to ourselves

...great location to MK....which many consider to be the only "true" WDW theme park

...a lack of people drawing it into OKW/BWV debates....so let's keep it that way, huh??


BTW...if I'm not mistaken, it didn't take DVD very long to sell out VWL...so I guess we're not the only ones who thought it was a good value!


Since VWL is the smallest of the DVC resorts at WDW, I suppose one could argue that a point there is more valuable than a point anywhere else!!!









Rich just tossed that lure in the water and I jumped at it, didn't I?

 

[lrodk]

The standard-view room option is definitely an advantage for us. I couldn't stay as long as we do if it weren't for the lower point costs. In fact we purposely purchased less points specifically because we had every intention of booking "standard" for each and every trip. However, standard view rooms at BWVs account for a mere 10% of total inventory(I did not find this out until after we purchased). Unless you book at the 11 month window these rooms are simply not going to be an option in light of the fact that they're usually the first to go. So unless you plan your trips way out like we do(usually reserving one day at a time to increase our chances), or unless you're extremely lucky and happen upon a cancellation, you will not be able to take advantage of this perk.

I also own at BCVs, and feel somewhat relieved that there isn't the same sense of urgency to call at the 11 month window. While standard rooms are a plus for BWVs, we see Stormalong Bay as a major plus for BCVs. Each resort really has it's advantahes/disadvantages. That's why I voted that BWVs did not have an overall advantage over BCVs. Each stands on it's own IMHO.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding this topic. It sounded from the OP that the question was if the points were worth more. I.E. -$82/pt vs $80/pt. Perhaps I did not read it correctly.

 

[PKS44]

Ultimately it will have to do with the resale value of the points...right now that is not an issue as BCV is only available from Disney...I would note that the main selling point of BCV over BWV is SAB--which emphasizes a point I have made many times in the past- that I just don't buy the DVC company line about the excessive crowding of SAB being the reason for stopping poolhopping there...while that may be an issue at times (has not apparently come even close to being crowded by BCV in any trip report I have read)--the SAB for BCV only was a way to boost the "value" of BCV over buying elsewhere on the resale market...it is the MAIN thing that sets BCV apart in the DVC marketplace- if you want to believe that little selling point HAD to be done to keep the crowds down rather than for selling purposes you are less cynical or more naive than I am (maybe a bit of both).

Paul

 

[lrodk]

Originally Posted by WDW JKL

Do you think BWV has an advantage or is worth more(however minimal) because of the Standard View option?

My understanding of the original thread had "WDW JKL" asking if BWVs was worth more than BCVs, specifically because of the standard-view issue. My answer basically is, yes, BWVs has an advantage(albeit, one that's difficult to consistently implement), but it is not worth more than BCVs, especially when you consider that BCVs has advantages of it's own(ie Stormalong Bay).

 

[Maistre Gracey]

This is where I'm confused. If BWV are worth more, isn't that like saying that BWV would sell for more dollars per point than BCV? If this is what the OP is saying, I don't agree. The fewer points needed to stay at BWV standard view would be off-set by the extra per point price. What am I missing?