BCV-my opinion

[POOH&PIGLET]

Originally posted by crisi
When I first got here, Richyams nearly had me convinced that I should only look to a OKW resale.

This is not meant to be harsh but that's your fault, not Richyams'.

People shouldn't always believe what they read. Two quick examples: (1) The New York Times

(2)

 

[Pa@okw95]

One adult asked why am I concerned since I will never stay there. Well, that is easy to answer, if it can happen there it can happen at other DVC resorts. Now having said that and to the adults that want a discussion on this matter it is clear that room conditions are probably a result of the popularity of the place, the constant filling of rooms to capacity and above, housekeeping in not doing their job and maintence not being able to keep up with the wear and tear on the place. To those adults that said they have stayed there and never had a problem, well that is fine, but staying there should not be some kind of a gamble as to whether you get a room that does not have a problem. To solve these problems they should have supervisors checking the rooms and the work housekkeeping does. Those supervisors should report anything that needs fixing. As for the attitude of some of the employees there that can be a problem that is very hard to fix. It could be just a couple of them or it could be a whole shift, who knows. It is very difficult to remendy.
To the rest of you children- read my OP again-I was correct. It is no suprise to me the reaction of some of you children to this post. Like I said before this has been going on for years and really was much worse years ago.
To those of you that believe that BCV is somehow your home-I say, I think it is wonderful that you think it is.

 

[jarestel]

Originally posted by POOH&PIGLET
This is not meant to be harsh but that's your fault, not Richyams'.

People shouldn't always believe what they read.

I agree ultimately one should be responsible for one's own decisions, but you have to remember that this board is full of posts asking for advice from current members.

Examples:
Which view should I ask for?
Why should I buy at "XYZ" resort?
What's a good price for a resale?
How do I get by ROFR?

When someone doesn't have the first hand experience required to make an informed decision, I do think they rely, rightly or wrongly, on the opinions of others that are perceived as "knowledgeable". And if those "experts" are pushing an agenda, then one may not be getting the best advice.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Originally posted by Pa@okw95
One adult [....] to the adults [....]To those adults [....] To the rest of you children-[....] some of you children [....]

I love the smell of condescension in the morning! Thanks, Pa, for the biggest laugh I've had in a long while.

And to all the rest of you "kids", it was a year ago that I started asking DVC questions here on the DIS; now I'm a happy owner at SSR. Thanks again to all who helped then - and continue to help now.

 

[JimFitz]

Originally posted by Pa@okw95
One adult asked......To those adults....To the rest of you children- read my OP again-I was correct.

To all posters. Read Pa@okw95's other posts. People like this are prevelant on message boards and like the fact that they have the "power" to stir so many emotions on these boards.

People like this are better off ignored since they add no real value to the message board.

BTW....I don't approve of crappy service either.

 

[disneymom2one]

I think most people are pretty discerning when it comes to opinions on the net. I know that when I see one person continually giving negative opinions about almost everything that I tend to take what they say with a grain of salt. I feel sorry for people like that because Disney is my "happy place" and I love everything about it. It makes me happy to talk about it, to read about it, and to visit. There are certain things in life I don't like and I frankly spend as little time on them as possible. Life's too short ...

 

[OneMoreTry]

Originally posted by timC
there is no statistical relevance to the polls and negative reports on this board.

This should be added to every single post as a footnote/disclaimer. Even to the positive posts.

 

[CVW]

Pa? Pa? It's me Pa...one of your children.

Why are you so angry, Pa? You're scaring me, Pa. I'm afraid to sleep in the dark, Pa. I'm afraid I'll try to turn on the light at the Beach Club and it won't come on because maintenance didn't change the bulb and I'll be stuck in the dark forever. I'm afraid an evil woman will break into my room to fix the bulb but will forget to say, "Welcome Home." I'm afraid the couple next door will have put themselves and their three children in a studio.

Five people in a studio, and I have to breathe their air! Pa, please save me! Take me to OKW where everything is safe; where everything is perfect. We'll both feel better there, Pa.

Oh, that's much better.

Thank you for bringing me to OKW, Pa. Me and the other children feel much better now. Everything is so wonderful here, Pa. See? You're not angry anymore! We can be a big happy family now that you've taught me so much!

Wait a minute. What's that sound outside?

Pool Hoppers! It's just pool hoppers, Pa! Please don't hurt them. No, Pa, NO! Put down the Buzz Lightyear Laser Gun. They'll go away soon.

We love you, Pa. Please don't be so angry. Let's all just lay down and take a nappy-nap at the bestest resort in the whole, whole, whole world!

 

[bcvillastwo]

Our home resort is BCV, we've stayed there 5 times to date. We've been in studios, 1Bdrms, and once in a 2Bdrm. We've also stayed once at BWV, WLV, and HH. Frankly, we've had very minor concerns at each place but there hasn't been a single incident that rose to the level of a "problem".

To date, of the 5 Vacation Club resorts we've stayed at we still prefer BCV--it's entirely personal preferrence.

On another note, I travel extensively on business, I don't stay in the very best places but I do try to stay in "nice" suites oriented places. Frankly, I experience minor concerns from time to time at nearly every place I stay. Even at home I have minor concerns from time to time. I don't think you can travel trouble free. It's simply part of the travel profile.

While it seems as if BCV is getting more than its share of negative publicity here on the boards, it also appears from this series of posts that most of these people are BCV fans and they will vote with their wallet by staying at BCV again in the future.

Remember, what we get on these boards is not representative of the universe of DVC'ers.

BCV is a wonderful place in my opinion (yes I know what they say about opinions).

 

[erikthewise]

I wasn't going to post here, but if Terry S (one of my favorite contributors) can, then so can I.

I own at BVC, have stayed there twice, and couldn't be happier. I keep asking DW if she wants to try one of the other DVC resorts, and she keeps saying no! So this year we're going back again!

(BTW is it really so hard to spell "maintenance"?)

 

[OneMoreTry]

Originally posted by CVW
Pa? Pa? It's me Pa...one of your children.

Why are you so angry, Pa? ......
Wait a minute. What's that sound outside?

Pool Hoppers! It's just pool hoppers, Pa! Please don't hurt them. No, Pa, NO! Put down the Buzz Lightyear Laser Gun. They'll go away soon.

I nominate this for one of funniest posts I've read!!!

Why don't we just end this whole thread with a laugh!

 

[Rash]

Originally posted by Pa@okw95

To the rest of you children...

Is there anything more childish than calling people names? Is there anything less mature than not being able to state your opinion confidently without resorting to insulting others intentionally? Is there anything more hypocritical than displaying the exact type of behavior of which you so vehemently complain?

 

[Rash]

Originally posted by OneMoreTry

I nominate this for one of funniest posts I've read!!!

Why don't we just end this whole thread with a laugh!

I read your post after I posted - sorry to perpetuate the thread. I agree, best to just end it with a laugh - it deserves nothing more at this point (did it ever?)

 

[SoCalKDG]

To those adults that said they have stayed there and never had a problem, well that is fine, but staying there should not be some kind of a gamble as to whether you get a room that does not have a problem.

The first time you stay at a resort its always a gamble. You don't know if you will like a resort until you actually stay there. Everything could be perfect at BWV, but you felt there were too many people, too noisy, so you won't ever stay there again. You stay at OKW but find out you miss walking to Epcot in the evenings.

Life is a gamble. Everything you buy is a gamble.

So you have stayed at OKW and never once had a single problem?

No 20 minute wait for a bus? No bad meal? One forgotten welcome home? A spec of dust on a lampshade? Water spot on a glass?

If not, you have been fortunate. I'd wager others here have had problems with OKW rooms.

Lets assume that OKW rooms will always be 25% better than BCV rooms. Even with that assumption, many will still take BCV over OKW because of the pool and location. Will I, I dont' know, since I haven't stayed at the resorts. I do know I'd try them all before making judgements.

 

[crisi]

Originally posted by POOH&PIGLET
This is not meant to be harsh but that's your fault, not Richyams'.

Except that choice of home resort is a matter of opinion, not fact. When people state opinions as facts, it can get confusing to someone not educated enough to know the difference. And, when they state facts without stating the whole of the fact, it is more confusing. And I do blame the provider of information when they don't tell the whole story, or label opinion as fact. Rich, in particular, doesn't let truth stand between him and a good story. Funny, once you understand him - but a newbie wouldn't.

This is the case with Pa - I like Pa, but he's a curmudgeon. His expectations for DVC are far above mine - knowing that, his complaints are taken by me with a grain of salt. But if I don't know that, his issues sound like something I need to take seriously. If Pa is my only window into DVC, its a horrible idea. (There are posters here who are similarly optimistic - DVC is the best thing that ever happened and absolutely perfect).

i.e. My room was dirty when we entered it.

That may be fact - it may have been scummy. There may have been food spilled on the countertop. A bathroom that obviously hadn't been cleaned, etc.

But there is a lot of room in "dirty" for opinion. We have heard tales of people who had "dirty" rooms where the rooms where more "worn" in my opinion than dirty - where there was a little mold in the shower (common in Florida and difficult to clean completely) - rooms I would have considered "clean, if perhaps in need of refurbishment."

i.e. The CMs at the front desk were bad.

May be something we can mostly agree was bad - inaccurate information, poor customer service. Or it may have been the lack of a Welcome Home. Some people seem to consider that a capital offense, I don't care - nice when it happens.

Its more confusing when there are conflicting facts - it is a fact that a one bedroom was meant to sleep four and that four (plus one under three) is listed as the sleeping capacity on the point of sale documents. It is also a fact that if you tell MS you have five in that room they won't care and will give you five room keys.

I always try and be careful - I had a lousy meal at the Brown Derby - over ten years ago. Now I can say over on the restaurant board "I don't like the Brown Derby" which is fact. But its a completely different statement to say "I won't go back to the Brown Derby after a bad meal I had there ten years ago." Someone can read that and say "gee, ten years ago lady, hold a gudge much." I can also say "the Brown Derby has lousy food." In my dated experience, this is fact. But it is also my opinion (what is lousy? - perhaps I misordered and ended up with a well prepared dish not to my taste (I didn't, I had a Cobb Salad with brown lettuce)) and I've left out a critical piece of information - it was over ten years ago.

 

[idratherbeinwdw]

Originally posted by disneymom2one
Disney is my "happy place" and I love everything about it. It makes me happy to talk about it, to read about it, and to visit. There are certain things in life I don't like and I frankly spend as little time on them as possible. Life's too short ...

Wow do I love the way you put that, my sentiments exactly and expressed so well!! I think I am going to print it and hand it out to all the "Grumpys" that I run into. AND I am going to make a sign with those words to hang along with all my WDW Posters!

Talk about words to live by, Thanks disneymom2one, well said!

:thewave:

 

[idratherbeinwdw]

Originally posted by OneMoreTry


I nominate this for one of funniest posts I've read!!!

I second your nomination! My kids think I am insane sitting here laughing so hard at the post. Definitely the funniest I have ever seen on any board anywhere.

To the OP--Have you considered a job in comedy writing? You're a riot, thanks for the endorphins from all the laughing!

 

[Muushka]

Originally posted by idratherbeinwdw
I second your nomination! My kids think I am insane sitting here laughing so hard at the post. Definitely the funniest I have ever seen on any board anywhere.

To the OP--Have you considered a job in comedy writing? You're a riot, thanks for the endorphins from all the laughing!

Count me in! I just read it to my husband, got to read it out loud and it is even funnier! CVW, you are a hoot and a half!

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Pa@okw95
One adult asked why am I concerned since I will never stay there. Well, that is easy to answer, if it can happen there it can happen at other DVC resorts. Now having said that and to the adults that want a discussion on this matter it is clear that room conditions are probably a result of the popularity of the place, the constant filling of rooms to capacity and above, housekeeping in not doing their job and maintence not being able to keep up with the wear and tear on the place. To those adults that said they have stayed there and never had a problem, well that is fine, but staying there should not be some kind of a gamble as to whether you get a room that does not have a problem. To solve these problems they should have supervisors checking the rooms and the work housekkeeping does. Those supervisors should report anything that needs fixing. As for the attitude of some of the employees there that can be a problem that is very hard to fix. It could be just a couple of them or it could be a whole shift, who knows. It is very difficult to remendy.
To the rest of you children- read my OP again-I was correct. It is no suprise to me the reaction of some of you children to this post. Like I said before this has been going on for years and really was much worse years ago.
To those of you that believe that BCV is somehow your home-I say, I think it is wonderful that you think it is.