Barry Bonds hit #714!!

[Honu]

So, you can't say a guy is a cheater if he cheats? Hmmn.... interesting theory.

I guess we can't call folks murderers if they murder people, then.

Your distortion of his name is what I was referring to. But yes, I would consider it rude to call someone a cheater, or murdered, based on the press reports. If the MLB should chose to ban him, then it would be understandable.

 

[Papa Deuce]

Your distortion of his name is what I was referring to. But yes, I would consider it rude to call someone a cheater, or murdered, based on the press reports. If the MLB should chose to ban him, then it would be understandable.

Actually it wouldn't. He has never tested positive. That doesn't mean he hasn't used streoids. There are masking agents.

 

[Figment22]

As much as I dislike the fact that Barry Bonds will now be listed as #2 on the all-time list, unless MLB decides to call the entire time period "The Steroid Era" in the record books, there's little that can be done. The whole era needs to be listed as such and it should date back to 1989 when Jose Canseco won a tainted MVP award. Has anyone here ever considered how many MVP's were probably tainted? Canseco's, Ken Caminiti's, Juan Gonzalez (2), Pudge Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa and that's just off the top of my head. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds - BS. Roger Maris STILL holds the single season HR record in my book, and poor Roger had to live with an asterisk

Just put one big asterisk after the period 1989 - present because it's still going on. When the heck is baseball going to test for HGH and the other undetectable PEDs? As a Yankees' fan, I watch Jason Giambi every day and you'll never convince me that he's not still using some form of PED. Oh, and to those Yankees' fans who think that because Giambi had a pituitary tumor that he'd never use something again, think again as HGH actually is known to shrink tumors.

I'm just ranting because the ENTIRE situation makes me very angry, but you really can't single out JUST Barry Bonds when MLB let this whole situation get way out of hand.

Stepping down off my soapbox now....

 

[wdwgirl03]

Eww. Barry Bonds.

 

[imagineerhopefull]

Has anyone here ever considered how many MVP's were probably tainted? Canseco's, Ken Caminiti's, Juan Gonzalez (2), Pudge Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa and that's just off the top of my head. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds - BS.

LALALALA, I'm not listening. I'm going to choose to believe that Pudge never did any of that

 

[Missy1961]

Steroids have almost always been banned, its just that until 2002, MLB did not test, unless there was a cause. A cause would just be a matter of opinion.



No one is denying that, he won those fair and square. (We hope)



His career would have followed the same pattern of any other star entering his late 30s-early 40s. His eyesight deterioration was reversed by the HGH, and his power was transformed from impressive to impossible (without artificial enhancement).*



Yes, he was a very good playerduring his years before he supposedly started using performance inhancing drugs in 1998



Probably still would of achieved this mark, but then so might A-Rod. Supposedly, he became jelous of McGwire and Sosa after their run in 1998 and wanted to top what they did.



At number 34 with Maddux trailing in at 39. However when the list was redone in 2005 he came in at number 6, having jumped 28 spaces on the tail end of his career.



I'm sure there were other players who used them as well, however it's still cheating and unethical. What about all those players who didn't use them?



But they didn't, so their records will always stand unquestioned.



Yes, Ruth did not play against any African-American player, and I'm sure the talent was weekend by that, but there was still some very good talent out there. Plus, Aaron was able to compete against anyone of any race.



Are you trying to promote steroids in baseball?



Andro was brand new to the market in 1997 and tests were still being done on it at come 1998.



They are banded today, but amphetamines, or speed, would give you more of a lift and alertness, not inhance your bat speed, power, allow you to recover from injury quicker, or inhance your vision.



Because the Reds may of won anyways. The series went to 8 games (because of the end of WWI, MLB decided to extend the WS to a best of 9 series), in which the Reds took a 4-1 advantage before the Sox came back two win two in a row.



The drugs Clomid and insulin are not covered by the new policy and Human Growth Hormone is not tested for. Now neither Clomid nor insulin are steroids, but both are often used in conjunction with steriods and are banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)




The reason for the outrage now is due to BALCO, which became a public issue in 2003. McGwire was no longer in the public eye, having retired in 2001 and Barry having broken the single season home run record in 2001.

What a great post! Well done.

 

[Missy1961]

As much as I dislike the fact that Barry Bonds will now be listed as #2 on the all-time list, unless MLB decides to call the entire time period "The Steroid Era" in the record books, there's little that can be done. The whole era needs to be listed as such and it should date back to 1989 when Jose Canseco won a tainted MVP award. Has anyone here ever considered how many MVP's were probably tainted? Canseco's, Ken Caminiti's, Juan Gonzalez (2), Pudge Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa and that's just off the top of my head. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds - BS. Roger Maris STILL holds the single season HR record in my book, and poor Roger had to live with an asterisk

Just put one big asterisk after the period 1989 - present because it's still going on. When the heck is baseball going to test for HGH and the other undetectable PEDs? As a Yankees' fan, I watch Jason Giambi every day and you'll never convince me that he's not still using some form of PED. Oh, and to those Yankees' fans who think that because Giambi had a pituitary tumor that he'd never use something again, think again as HGH actually is known to shrink tumors.

I'm just ranting because the ENTIRE situation makes me very angry, but you really can't single out JUST Barry Bonds when MLB let this whole situation get way out of hand.

Stepping down off my soapbox now....

And we had the words straight from Caminiti's mouth...and nothing was done.

I wonder about Giambi myself. And I wonder when the first big league pitcher is caught. They had to have been using steroids as well.

 

[Peter Pirate]

Just two points (and they have been mentioned)...

(1) The size of Bonds head. It grew for heavens sake!

(2) "Steroids weren't specifically outlawed in baseball" ... Doh, but they've always been ILLEGAL the the United States. Does baseball have to have a specific rule against murder as well???

 

[Missy1961]

Just two points (and they have been mentioned)...

(1) The size of Bonds head. It grew for heavens sake!

(2) "Steroids weren't specifically outlawed in baseball" ... Doh, but they've always been ILLEGAL the the United States. Does baseball have to have a specific rule against murder as well???

Your response to point 2 ("illegal in US) is almost never mentioned, and it drives me crazy.