Barbizon Modeling

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Has anyone had any dealings with Barbizon Modeling school? They want my 13 yo dd to go to their school. But there is no guarantee of work from them after.

Ok give me the good and the bad.
 
From what I've heard, it's pretty much a scam. I'd look into other modeling options in the area.
 

All those modeling places are a crock. They tell you your child is beautiful and should be a model. But they also say your child will need all these classes to help them learn to walk and how to present themselves. The classes cost thousands of dollars. Crock-a-doodle-doo!!
 
Tag Fairy- Where are you? Bonnie said something tag-worthy! Crock-A-Doodle!
:rotfl:Actually, TF, I demand you to give her a tag! :teeth:
 
In my former life, I used to be a creative director at an ad agency. I would hire models for catalog and tv work as well as a variety of other print ads.

Modeling schools, in my book, are a load of bs. Invest your money in good headshots to send out to potential clients. Headshots don't have to be professional -- just a natural photo w/minimal make up and casual dress or dressy.

Contact every local store or company that use models and ask them if they hire models themselves or use an advertising agency that hires the models. If they hire models, send your head shot to them. Either way, send your head shot to every single advertising agency in your area -- they will pass them on to the creative director or person responsible for hiring talent, who will keep them in a file. I used to go through my files constantly for models. Do NOT hesitate to call the agencies after a week to be sure they received your photos.

More often than not, I would hire "freelance models" -- those not affiliated w/ a modeling agency b/c I didn't have to pay agency fees (which increased my price). I liked the fact that I didn't have to tack on an additional 20%+ fee for the modeling agency and that the agency didn't take money out of the "base pay" for the model.

Your head shots should include pertinent information inc. height, weight, clothing size, shoe size, eye color, hair color and contact information. Send them along w/a nice letter introducing yourself. If you're doing this for a young child, you'll need to update photos and information every 6 months b/c kids change so quickly!

If an ad agency is looking for people, you'll be called in for a "go see" ... which means the ad agency wants to see what you look like. That means NO make-up, casual dress. They want to see your face/body type.

If you are cast for a job, you should bring along a "model bag" which includes (for ladies/teens) a skin tone bra (w/convertible straps) and a few pairs of skin tone underwear (inc. g-strings), shoes (heels, flats - mainly black), pantyhose (nude & black), hair brush, a few hair clips and headbands, classic jewelry (pearls, a gold chain, a silver chain, pearl earrings, gold hoops, silver hoops) and some make-up.

Often, modeling schools will tell you that they'll teach you how to do your own make-up. It is very rare that a photo shoot does not include a stylist (hair and make up as well as wardrobe). You will also be told what the shoot is for (clothing, etc). Sometimes, you may be asked to provide your own wardrobe and they will be specific on what to wear and other times, wardrobe (esp. for a department store or clothing catalog) will be provided. And, no ... you do not get to keep the wardrobe -- and you wouldn't want to. Usually, along the back, it's labeled "sample" or there are holes cut into backs of legs or where ever, so it isn't wearable. If you want to learn how to do make-up, go to a reputable make-up counter and ask them to show you a few tricks.

The modeling school will tell you that they'll teach you how to pose and walk ... just look through magazines and you can teach yourself how to pose. As far as "walking", most places aren't looking for runway models (unless you're in NYC and then you'd be better off w/an agent)!

Remember -- modeling agencies like Ford, Wilhelmina, etc. don't make you take classes!!! They're going to do what it takes to get your face out there so they can make money!!!! Sure, they'll have you sign a contract and get you head shots, etc. ... but they're doing it b/c they expect to hire you out a lot and get paid for doing so!!!!

Should you choose, opt for a modeling agency over a modeling school. And, do NOT fall for those "We're looking for models of all ages -- come to the XYZ hotel for the Modeling Extravaganza where you'll meet top agents from this, that, the other one modeling agencies". These places make you pay big bucks to "get recognized" and to "meet the right people". You don't need them -- just get the head shots and send them out to advertising agencies and your local stores that use models!!! If you feel that you/your child has "something special", you can try to submit photos to the big NYC agencies (Wilhelmina, Ford) and try to get in there. But, again, that's going to cost you a trip to NYC w/no guarantees if they even just want to look at you!

If you have any other questions or advice, feel free to PM me!

Warmly,
Daxx's Wife
 
I would run from it! :goodvibes There is a website called modelingscams and they are full of Barbizon info, like this:

RE :Barbizon Modeling School

Question: To Whom It May Concern:

My daughter was picked at an audition at Barbizon in Boston to go to the convention that the IMTA sponsors at the Hilton in New York this July.

Barbizon wants $4,000 for my daughter to go to classes at Barbizon in preparation for this convention.

What are your thoughts? My daughter is 14, is 5'9" tall, and thin.

Thank you for any info you have,

Answer: Barbizon has a bad reputation, and it is arguably one of the worst. On one model scam watch website, it seems to have the most complaints.

Barbizon is a modeling school, but modeling schools are not necessary to become models and get contracts. Just ask leading agencies if they require modeling schools.

One person who paid and attended the modeling classes at Barbizon said: "I learned nothing my older sister couldn't have taught me."

Another aspiring model who paid hundreds of dollars to Barbizon said essentially the same thing about what she was taught: "I could've learned all of that from my mom."

This was another complaint: "I spent $1,600 learning how to pluck my eyebrows and set a table."

Although Modeling Scams has received no complaints about Barbizon yet, another modeling site posted several Barbizon complaint letters from parents of aspiring models and aspiring models themselves.

Regarding the IMTA modeling convention, a recent letter explained how they operate and how the scam works.

Modeling schools are considered modeling scams because they offer what is not required, charge extreme prices, yet offer no money-back guarantee.

One of the things they offer is teaching on makeup. From the Barbizon website: "Barbizon offers training in the skillful application of makeup."

A mother who made an online inquiry about Barbizon on behalf of her daughter received a forum response with the following observation: "As for makeup classes, the technique varies from each photographer, and each type of shoot. Modeling schools inevitably only teach two styles of makeup."

But, more importantly, don't professional makeup artists do the makeup for professional photoshoots, not the model?

Another thing they offer is teaching on how to walk. But modeling agencies can teach models how to walk if they are doing local or major fashion shows. It is not complicated, and it doesn't take long to learn. Besides, catwalk modeling is the least common type of modeling. Most models are going to appear in print, not on video or at catwalk shows.

One parent said her daughter was chosen to attend a modeling convention in New York. Barbizon said her daughter was one of the 32 students chosen out of 120 to attend because she had a good chance of getting a contract.

But after being at the convention for several days they found out everyone in the class had been asked to go, and they were even more shocked to discover: "Barbizon students paid twice as much as other schools to go."

This is a very common modeling scam technique: modeling companies pretending to be selective, claiming those who are chosen are a small or very small percentage, when in fact just about everyone is chosen.

"Needless to say it was a very, very expensive lesson."

She added: "The convention was also a waste of time. Out of the 2,000 contestants that attended, only a small handful received callbacks, and only a few were asked to sign contracts."

The bottom line is contracts. You always want to know how many and what percentage of modeling companies get contracts. Many of them will have at least a few success stories, but those are not really the main issues.

The main issues are:

What percentage get work?
Can they prove it?
Is it cheaper to contact agencies directly?
Are the chances of getting work higher going directly to the agencies?

Modeling conventions, like modeling schools, are also considered scams, because they offer what is not required, charge hundreds or thousands or dollars, and come with no money-back guarantee.

It would probably come as no surprise to see modeling schools forming partnerships with modeling conventions. Apparently this is indeed exactly what happens with Barbizon and IMTA.

They have different names, but they could just as easily be the same company. They work together. In fact, it has been reported aspiring models cannot attend an IMTA convention unless they have attended a modeling school like Barbizon: it is a prerequisite.

Interestingly, however, top modeling agencies do not require modeling school attendance, graduation, etc., to sign a model. It is not a prerequisite.

Scam modeling agencies and scam modeling photographers operate in a similar way to modeling schools and modeling conventions. The agency requires the aspiring model to use a particular photographer. But they don't say the agency splits the fees with the photographer. It is a hidden or concealed partnership.

You said you are in Boston. Boston is a large city with its own modeling agencies. Your best bet, since the information you provided suggests your daughter fits the modeling industry standards, is to visit the local modeling agencies. This could actually cost you nothing, but it would give you a clearer idea about your daughter's potential, and if she gets work through them, it would be near home, and she may not have to travel to work in another city.

At the same time you can bypass the Barbizons and IMTAs out there, and contact the big New York modeling agencies directly. Cut out the expensive middlemen who offer no money-back guarantee.
 
OMG- I didn't even know they were still around! Good modelng agencies will pay you to go to their classes. I'd skip it-
 
Tracey1974 said:
OMG- Good modelng agencies will pay you to go to their classes.
Good modeling agencies don't offer classes!
 
I'm way too old and way too short to even attempt modeling, but I had to thank Daxx's wife for the AMAZING information in that post! I'm sure it will help many, many people here!
 
I went to a Barbizon "get-together" talent search with a group. Funny enough, EVERY SINGLE ONE of us got phone calls inviting us due to our "obvious potential." None of us pursued it, thank goodness.

I guess my question is, are there certain traits desired for young teen models? OP said her daughter is like 13, I think. As a 13 yr old, what is the market saturated with, and what would actually gather some interest?
 
I did the Barbizon thing when I was 12-13 yrs. old. At that age, many girls are all about hair, make-up, being a teenie bopper, being beautiful etc. I was like that at the time so I loved it. Once I got out, I had a couple of minor attempts to model but wasn't quite as excited about it. I had learned that there was definitely a down side to the "glamour." It's ironic because soon afterward, I decided that being comfortable with yourself is better than always looking like a fashion model. I either grew past the age where appearances are SSSSSSSSOOOOOOOO important or just changed.

Anyway, when I moved back to Charlotte, one of the companies that I interviewed with for a sales position was Barbizon. I didn't take the job because I thought it was a little hokey (even though I loved it when I was 12). What I realized though, is that the Barbizon school is only loosely associated with model preparation. It is marketed to 12-14 year old girls as a "learn to model and be beautiful" opportunity because that is what THEY want. However, the underlying cause of the school is almost more of a finishing school that promotes good behavior and good habits. In that respect I think that the marketing is somewhat ingenious. I was dooped as a kid..........I didn't realize this until my interview. No wonder why my mother let me go.

In summary, if you want you child to be a model, don't bother with the school. If your child has an interest in modeling but you are more concerned that you want your child to have better manners, act more mature, and perhaps have a minor boost in self-esteem, you may consider this as an option. At that age, often kids refuse to listen to their "idiot" parents :rotfl: but they will immediately respond to the same message coming from a "cool" model. The walking, hair, and makeup stuff does provide beauty tips and promotes poise I suppose but is more or less a charade to keep the girls interested in the real lessons.
 
thank you Mrs. Daxx. I will pm you tomorrow with some other questions. But you did confirm what I thought. :thumbsup2
 
Daxx said:
Good modeling agencies don't offer classes!

They don't offer classes, they do train & refine the look of those with potential though. I was taught to walk by my male booker (he was probably 5' tall in heels) who could work it. ;)

The info you gave was great, although I am a big proponent of using a reputable agency, especially for teenagers. They offer a great level of protection against predators and will guide you through the pitfalls.

My word of warning is that fashion modeling is not for the modest. I was very fortunate to be represented by the best agencies in NY, LA and SF, but I was still exposed to things that were jaw dropping. If you are bashful about your body and changing in front of people, modeling probably isn't for you.
 
taximomfor4 said:
I guess my question is, are there certain traits desired for young teen models? OP said her daughter is like 13, I think. As a 13 yr old, what is the market saturated with, and what would actually gather some interest?
Versatility is the key -- if a gal can go from clean cut to glamourous to grunge girl to erethral to goth and back to ultra-glam and pull off all different kind of looks, then she's going to do well b/c clients (and agencies) like the diversity a model can give. It's great when a teen can look like a teen or be transformed into a woman whose age you can't quite place. Ever see some of the models in Glamour magazine? They look far more older than they are!

If it's an ad for swimwear, you're going to want someone thin and well proportioned. Not too busty and not too flat chested, either. Well shaped figure, good muscle tone and not too many "flaws" or scars (airbrushing is costly). No tan lines (again, airbrushing).

An ad for prom dresses or more upscale clothing (I'm trying to think teenager here) might call for someone a bit more exotic looking.

Hair should be longer than chin length so it can be styled in several ways (updo, pony tail, braid, free flowing, etc.) depending on the concept.

Skin should be clear w/an even tone. Height should be 5'9 if you're doing NYC modelling unless you're going into petite modeling (though there isn't much for petite teens). If it's local modeling, then usually 5'7 is the minimum but depends on the client!
 
WDWguru said:
I had to thank Daxx's wife for the AMAZING information in that post! I'm sure it will help many, many people here!
My pleasure! I hate to see people get ripped off by "promises" of modeling/movie/tv fame!!!
 
My 14yo DD has expressed some interest in modeling and she fits the profile, 5'9" and about size 2. She's done dance for years so the posing, walking etc are not an issue, she's a natural and the camera likes her.

I keep thinking we should wait until she has her braces out before we do head shots and maybe go from there. Is this more practical? I just don't see teen models with braces, maybe to do with the shots where they want the age to be indetermined.
 
People, even strangers, used to tell me that my son should do some modelling. He was around 9 or 10 when I started to look into some things, as he was interested in doing it at that time. Anyways, contacted a bunch of different places in Toronto and was told by some of them, "yes, he should model, blah, blah, he'll need to take this course or that course, you'll need to get a portfolio, blah, blah....

I contacted the Ford Agency and they set up an appointment for us to come in and be seen by the head of their children's agency. Went to the appointment and found out from them that IF and WHEN they take someone into their agency then THEY pay for the Head Shots, portfolio starts, etc. They took Tyler on right away and he started doing work within a month or so. It never cost us a dime except for our time, gas, etc. to take him to go-see or shoots, etc. He only did this stuff for a little over 2 years, then "peer pressure" took over and it was "uncool"!! Now that he is almost 21 though he is thinking about looking into it again to help pay for University!! I can ONLY HOPE!!!!

DO NOT PAY TO HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE "CLASSES"! They are a TOTAL SCAM!!!!

Take your daughter to the well-known, reputable agencies. They will see her and then they will let you know whether or not she has any potential in their Agency. Believe THEM - they are the ONLY ones who you should be listening to.

Good Luck and have fun!!! :thumbsup2
 
Honu said:
The info you gave was great, although I am a big proponent of using a reputable agency, especially for teenagers. They offer a great level of protection against predators and will guide you through the pitfalls.
I agree that modeling agencies are great ... but sending your photos to a local advertising agency is v. safe. Ad agencies work w/top-of-the-line photographers, there is always a creative director at the shoot and usually the client. B/c they are dealing w/a client, that client's reputation, as well as that of the ad agency and photo studio, are at risk and nobody's going to jeopardize that!

Ad agencies are using reputable, professional photographers, not someone doing photo shoots out of their basement or garage.

Also, a parent should always accompany their child on all go-sees and photo shoots. The creative director will tell the models exactly what they've been chosen to model (or, in the case of youths, their parent) when they're booked. For example, my assistant would call the model and say "We'd like you to come to ABC Photo Studio on Monday, June 10th at 2pm for a photo shoot for XYZ client. You'll be modeling capri's and tank tops and it'll take about three hours." If that's ok w/the model (or, in the case of a youth, their parent), then we finalize fee and book them. If they're not comfortable w/it, they can turn the job down. If you're not told UPFRONT what the job is for, then common sense should tell you to turn it down! Also, when the model gets to the studio, they meet w/me (the creative director) and I will give them direction ie: "You're modeling capri's and tanks, so this will be a fun shot ... you and the other models will pretend you're leaving the mall". Parents are often allowed on the "set" w/directions to be quiet and let us do the work/direction. Again, the client is usually on set b/c they want to make sure they're getting the look they want!

Models should have a private area in which to change. Usually, it's a curtained off area and not fancy at all!!!!

While agencies are great, if you're smart and careful and work w/reputable advertising agencies and department stores, you can do this yourself. I have had many successful freelance models work for us. They knew our agency had a shining reputation! As long as you send photos to a reputable advertising agency w/reputable clients, you have nothing to worry about. And, most department stores work w/an agency. You can call their offices and ask what ad agency they work with. No ad agency worth their salt is going to jeopardize it's reputation nor is it going to put itself up for any potential lawsuits from models. A good ad agency always takes care of its models!!!!

Again, you can't send your photos to any Tom, Dick or Harry -- send them to the top ad agencies in your area.
 














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