Barbara Walter's "View" today

[Lorelei Lee]

I don't have a problem with Woody dating anyone above the age of consent. May not be a wise decision, but it's a legal one.

My issue is with Woody dating Soon Yi. the pain he inflicted on Mia, his children, her other children -- he and Soon Yi tore a family apart. He is the older, and presumably wiser, partner, and therefore should have known what a hornet's nest he was stepping in.

My issue with Woody -- Justice Wilk (who I respect immensely) thought he was a horrible father. Had no idea what was going on with his and Mia's children.

But if you read Wilk's decision you'd see that Wilk, despite his dislike of Woody, could not find anything to indicate Woody abused Dylan. Even left the door open for visitation between Dylan and Woody at a later date, after completion of her therapy.

some more food for thought:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...estation-memories-implanted-article-1.1601651

"Woody Allen is now riding fairly high," Abramowitz said. "I believed it revived the anger (Mia) has toward him."

Yeah, Woody just got a life time achievement award from the Golden Globes, has been nominated for an Oscar, and is producing a Broadway show this season. what's Mia up to lately?

 

[Lorelei Lee]

More:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-claims-woody-allen-planted-article-1.1601295

There's never been another allegation against Woody, before or after Dylan. It's not typical pedophile behavior. when Michael Jackson was accused, there were several boys over the course of several years.

 

[DWGal210]

Pedos & addicts are the best liars & smoothest operators you'll ever see.

Absolutely.

My opinion of Woody Allen was pretty much cemented when he married Soon-yi. To hear Barbara Walter defend that relationship, when she was only 17 years old, is disgusting. OK, so because they have a good marriage and he is a good father NOW, according to Walters account, we should just forget that she was a MINOR?! Unbelievable.

I for one believe Dylan's account, and I think perhaps her mothers past actions during the divorce meant that this young lady didn't get justice, and that's very sad.

 

[LSmith]

I don't have a problem with Woody dating anyone above the age of consent. May not be a wise decision, but it's a legal one.

My issue is with Woody dating Soon Yi. the pain he inflicted on Mia, his children, her other children -- he and Soon Yi tore a family apart. He is the older, and presumably wiser, partner, and therefore should have known what a hornet's nest he was stepping in.

My issue with Woody -- Justice Wilk (who I respect immensely) thought he was a horrible father. Had no idea what was going on with his and Mia's children.

But if you read Wilk's decision you'd see that Wilk, despite his dislike of Woody, could not find anything to indicate Woody abused Dylan. Even left the door open for visitation between Dylan and Woody at a later date, after completion of her therapy.

some more food for thought:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...estation-memories-implanted-article-1.1601651

"Woody Allen is now riding fairly high," Abramowitz said. "I believed it revived the anger (Mia) has toward him."

Yeah, Woody just got a life time achievement award from the Golden Globes, has been nominated for an Oscar, and is producing a Broadway show this season. what's Mia up to lately?

Oh, not much...

Wikipedia:

Farrow has appeared in more than 50 films and won numerous awards, including a Golden Globe award, received seven additional Golden Globe nominations, three BAFTA nominations and a best actress award at the San Sebastian International Film Festival.

Farrow is also known for her extensive humanitarian work as a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador. She is involved in humanitarian activities in Darfur, Chad, and the Central African Republic. In 2008, Time magazine named her one of the most influential people in the world.

Further reading:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Farrow#cite_note-22

 

[Lorelei Lee]

Oh, not much...

Wikipedia:

Farrow has appeared in more than 50 films and won numerous awards, including a Golden Globe award, received seven additional Golden Globe nominations, three BAFTA nominations and a best actress award at the San Sebastian International Film Festival.

Farrow is also known for her extensive humanitarian work as a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador. She is involved in humanitarian activities in Darfur, Chad, and the Central African Republic. In 2008, Time magazine named her one of the most influential people in the world.

Further reading:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Farrow#cite_note-22

Very worthy activities, of course. But nothing that's putting her on the front page. Or even page 6.

I am curious. She allowed her picture to be used in the Golden Globe montage about Woody's films, but then started a campaign on Twitter disparaging him.

 

[robinb]

I think it is very wrong for a 44 y/o man to date a 17 y/o girl. However, there is a huge difference between a grown man being attracted to young adult or almost adult and a grown man being attracted to seven year old children. There are plenty of middle aged guys (and woman) out there who date people who are still in their teens, but they would never, ever go after a seven year old.

Well, I don't see that it's a huge difference as we're talking about sex with children in both cases although I will admit that sex with a 17-year old is not pedophilia. However, it's clear that Allen has shown an (IMO unhealthy) attraction to very young women ... his first wife was 17, Nelkin was 17 (he met her set of Annie Hall in 1976 when she was just 16), Soon-Yi was 21 when his relationship with her came to light but he had known her since she was 10 ... heck even Mia Farrow herself had a waif-like appearance well into the 80's when she started her relationship with Allen.

I'm not saying that his predilection for very young women absolutely means that he also likes little girls in the same way. However, it does make me go "hmmm" ...

 

[robinb]

Here is a very long article from Nov 1992 in Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1992/11/farrow199211 .

 

[pryncess527]

I can offer some insight hereabout my opinion.

My reaction is also based on my experiences with Justice Elliot Wilk, the judge to whom the custody matter was assigned.

I appeared before Justice Wilk many times in the 1980's. I found him to be an extremely thorough, fair and conscientious jurist. When he ruled against Mia on the issue of the molestation, my personal opinion was that the molestation did not occur. Had there been credible evidence to support Mia's claim, Wilk's decision would have said so.

I thought he kind of did -- he said "I am less certain, however, than is the Yale-New Haven team, that the evidence proves conclusively that there was no sexual abuse"
Seems like expressing doubt to me. Perhaps not an admission of credible evidence for Mia's claim, but that's not shocking in this type of case and his language does seem that he was no less sure of Woody's innocence.

 

[pryncess527]

Well, I don't see that it's a huge difference as we're talking about sex with children in both cases although I will admit that sex with a 17-year old is not pedophilia. However, it's clear that Allen has shown an (IMO unhealthy) attraction to very young women ... his first wife was 17, Nelkin was 17 (he met her set of Annie Hall in 1976 when she was just 16), Soon-Yi was 21 when his relationship with her came to light but he had known her since she was 10 ... heck even Mia Farrow herself had a waif-like appearance well into the 80's when she started her relationship with Allen.

I'm not saying that his predilection for very young women absolutely means that he also likes little girls in the same way. However, it does make me go "hmmm" ...

Ditto. As does this Woody Allen quote from a People magazine article in 1976

He goes on: "I'm open-minded about sex. I'm not above reproach; if anything, I'm below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him." Allen pauses. "Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone," he ventures helplessly. "I admit to it all."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20066950,00.html

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Absolutely. I know SO many women abused as children that would rather die than accuse their abuser due to attitudes like Barbara's and others on this thread... The pain is so deep and when they FINALLY do speak they get statistics and opinions thrown at them...it's pathetic. And what happens, the perp gets away with it.

This.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

That's irrelevant as well. Without going into detail - there are several ways a child or young adult can be sexually molested without showing any evidence of trauma. Many perpetrators will stop short of sexual inter couse - and in their sick minds that means no "abuse" took place!

Exactly. I don't think, but I'm not sure, she ever claimed that intercourse was involved.

 

[Disneychick75]

While it may be understandably offensive to your social norms, surely you'd say that a legal consensual relationship with a 17 year-old is a far cry from forcibly raping a seven year-old.... wouldn't you? Otherwise, that'd be like saying "When I saw him drinking alcohol, I just knew he was really craving cocaine all along!"

The problem as I stated before is, Woody Allen was Soon Yi's de facto father. To me, that's incest. If a man is raising a child for years, wouldn't people consider him the father?

 

[Laura66]

More:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-claims-woody-allen-planted-article-1.1601295

There's never been another allegation against Woody, before or after Dylan. It's not typical pedophile behavior. when Michael Jackson was accused, there were several boys over the course of several years.

Again - so what! That means nothing! And I can understand why! Look at the contempt for the victim who speaks out and the defense of the accused for "lack of evidence".

Maybe if more people speak up - those who who have suffered in silence will find the courage to!

For years young boys and girls kept silent about priests sexually abusing them! Those that did were treated so poorly and not believed! The church knew, refused to get rid of them and moved them to other parishes! Now that more people have had the courage to speak out the church - and the public - have been forced to address the problem!

 

[Laura66]

Exactly. I don't think, but I'm not sure, she ever claimed that intercourse was involved.

And - it's uncomfortable to say/put to words - but let's get real - young girls can be violated in other ways besides intercourse. Ways that won't leave trauma!

 

[LSmith]

And - it's uncomfortable to say/put to words - but let's get real - young girls can be violated in other ways besides intercourse. Ways that won't leave trauma!

That's true. 'Just' emotional trauma, which never goes away.

 

[Geoff_M]

The problem as I stated before is, Woody Allen was Soon Yi's de facto father. To me, that's incest. If a man is raising a child for years, wouldn't people consider him the father?

No... I'll refer to the link that Lorelei posted:

First, the Soon-Yi situation:

Every time I stumble upon this topic on the internet, it seems the people who are most outraged are also the most ignorant of the facts. Following are the top ten misconceptions, followed by my response in italics:

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child.

Let me add this: If anyone is creeped out by the notion of a 55-year old man becoming involved with his girlfriend’s 19-year old adopted daughter, I understand. That makes perfect sense. But why not get the facts straight? If the actual facts are so repugnant to you, then why embellish them?

 

[lisaviolet]

But nothing that's putting her on the front page. Or even page 6.

And why would she care? I'm confused.

Darfur or page 6?

Quiet life or front page?

Such difficult, agonizing choices. Insert intense sarcasm.

 

[LSmith]

And why would she care? I'm confused.

 

[lisaviolet]

I will talk about it - so people who gave been abused know they're not alone and that it's not their fault. That they can move forward - that although it will always be a part of you - you don't need to "get over it". That you can be happy and have normal relationships with your partner or husbands or wives!

I simply forgot to do this yesterday, Laura. and to you.

 

[Imzadi]

I have no earthly idea if Woody Allen sexually assaulted Dylan. He certainly seems creepy, but, thankfully, people aren't put in jail for bbeing creepy looking. I think it is very wrong for a 44 y/o man to date a 17 y/o girl. However, there is a huge difference between a grown man being attracted to young adult or almost adult and a grown man being attracted to seven year old children. There are plenty of middle aged guys (and woman) out there who date people who are still in their teens, but they would never, ever go after a seven year old.

Well, I don't see that it's a huge difference as we're talking about sex with children in both cases although I will admit that sex with a 17-year old is not pedophilia. However, it's clear that Allen has shown an (IMO unhealthy) attraction to very young women ... his first wife was 17, Nelkin was 17 (he met her set of Annie Hall in 1976 when she was just 16), Soon-Yi was 21 when his relationship with her came to light but he had known her since she was 10 ... heck even Mia Farrow herself had a waif-like appearance well into the 80's when she started her relationship with Allen.

I'm not saying that his predilection for very young women absolutely means that he also likes little girls in the same way. However, it does make me go "hmmm" ...

Actually, FBI profiles on pedophiles show that most of them prefer certain age ranges. If one is into post-pubescent teens, they usually aren't into pre-pubescent tweens or even younger kids like around 7 yr olds. (I am not saying Woody is innocent.)

Very worthy activities, of course. But nothing that's putting her on the front page. Or even page 6.

I am curious. She allowed her picture to be used in the Golden Globe montage about Woody's films, but then started a campaign on Twitter disparaging him.

As a lawyer, surely you know that photos are copyrighted and licensed by the photographer who took the photos, or by the movie studio they were shot for. They do not belong to the subject in the photos. Since the photos in the montage were of Mia in films with Woody, they belong to the movie studio. When she signed her legal contract to work on the film, she signed her rights to her likeness in all film and photo footage pertaining to the movie. The Golden Globes would not have to ask for her permission. It was never hers to give.